Business, GOP establishment: Tea party is over

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    Oct 28, 2013 9:29 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/business-gop-establishment-tea-party-over-163718915--politics.html


    "They basically come in with millions of dollars and big-foot a Republican primary and you wind up with these Manchurian candidates who are not interested in governing."

    hmmm....tea party programmed domestic terrorists?

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  • creature

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    Oct 28, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
    Since the Tea Party wave of 2010, I can't recall any significant legislation.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 28, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    creature saidSince the Tea Party wave of 2010, I can't recall any significant legislation.



    And I have not seen a budget since Obama has been elected, way before 2010 btw. And it is clear, we need more laws. That is our countries problem.

    Its amusing how some are so upset about a informed part of the electorate organizing, and lobbying for representatives that reflect their philosophy of government.

    I am sure it is screwing up the agenda of the corporate world who are largely apolitical and support democrats and republicans equally.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 29, 2013 1:01 AM GMT
    creature saidSince the Tea Party wave of 2010, I can't recall any significant legislation.

    That's because their role is to stand in the way of government.
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    Oct 29, 2013 5:48 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    creature saidSince the Tea Party wave of 2010, I can't recall any significant legislation.



    And I have not seen a budget since Obama has been elected, way before 2010 btw. And it is clear, we need more laws. That is our countries problem.

    Its amusing how some are so upset about a informed part of the electorate organizing, and lobbying for representatives that reflect their philosophy of government.

    I am sure it is screwing up the agenda of the corporate world who are largely apolitical and support democrats and republicans equally.




    business uncertainty, yes

    anarchy philosophy, no

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

    Its a gang mentality thing, I am sure is popular among tea party viewership
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Anarchy
  • musclmed

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    Oct 29, 2013 6:15 AM GMT
    The Tea Party movement arose after the 2008 election and strengthened from what happened with the 2009 ACA act ( circumstances of 1 party involvement and use of budget reconciliation in the Senate to pass)

    several things have given the movement oxygen to strengthen.


    1) Obama promise that you can keep your healthcare plan- FALSE

    2) Obama promise that you can keep your doctor - FALSE>

    3) Obama promise the average family under ACA will save 2500 a year FALSE.

    4) Obama promise ACA will save money ( projected to be over the price tag over 900 billion

    5) NSA scandal.

    6) debt ceiling , monetary policy. No substantial Wall street prosecution for 2008 bank crisis. Obama best palls with Goldman Sachs, GE, Citicorp

    we can go on , but its not about anarchy. Its about all of the wrong things people seeing in policy and lobbying and electing government to change this.

    you may want to think a bit more deeply about political discord. It maybe easy and convenient to dismiss the opposition as "anarchists" if they simply oppose or do not vote for the agenda you agree with.

    It is an interesting spin I have seen over the past two years. And recently the addition of "terrorists" , "extortionist" to the long list of adjectives. In my mind this is very dangerous for a democracy.
    It is eerily similar to what happened in fascist states in the past.
    Sen Warren and Reid used the word "anarchist" to describe the tea party, as you alluded to above with your WIKIPEDIA Reference. If that were true they would be acting as other classic anarchist, like the weather underground who bombed government establishments in order to dismantle and replace the government with their own egalitarian structure.
    In fact the tea party has used the democratic process through elections and lobbying.
    Its a shame that a Rutgers educated lawyer has no idea what the description of "Anarchist" means.

    So I cannot fault you for the same mistake.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 29, 2013 6:38 AM GMT
    musclmed saidThe Tea Party movement arose after the 2008 election and strengthened from what happened with the 2009 ACA act ( circumstances of 1 party involvement and use of budget reconciliation in the Senate to pass)

    several things have given the movement oxygen to strengthen.


    1) Obama promise that you can keep your healthcare plan- FALSE

    2) Obama promise that you can keep your doctor - FALSE>

    3) Obama promise the average family under ACA will save 2500 a year FALSE.

    4) Obama promise ACA will save money ( projected to be over the pricetag over 900 billion

    5) NSA scandal.

    6) debt ceiling , monetary policy. No substantial Wall street prosecution for 2008 bank crisis. Obama best palls with Goldman Sachs, GE, Citicorp

    we can go on , but its not about Anarchy. Its about all of the wrong things people seeing in policy and lobbying and electing government to change this.


    The NSA surveillance began under Bush and became a scandal because Snowden betrayed us.

    The affordable care act is the first overhaul of healthcare in decades. It was long overdue, Romneycare was the blueprint, and the country will realize savings, as will individuals and families.

    If America is so great that Shybuffguy can have a 5000 square foot ranch and enough privacy to stay in the closet, then surely we can give medicine to the poor and sick.

    I agree that white collar crime needs to be more heavily prosecuted. I guess you should've supported the 99%ers if you wanted that...
  • musclmed

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    Oct 29, 2013 6:51 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    musclmed saidThe Tea Party movement arose after the 2008 election and strengthened from what happened with the 2009 ACA act ( circumstances of 1 party involvement and use of budget reconciliation in the Senate to pass)

    several things have given the movement oxygen to strengthen.


    1) Obama promise that you can keep your healthcare plan- FALSE

    2) Obama promise that you can keep your doctor - FALSE>

    3) Obama promise the average family under ACA will save 2500 a year FALSE.

    4) Obama promise ACA will save money ( projected to be over the pricetag over 900 billion

    5) NSA scandal.

    6) debt ceiling , monetary policy. No substantial Wall street prosecution for 2008 bank crisis. Obama best palls with Goldman Sachs, GE, Citicorp

    we can go on , but its not about Anarchy. Its about all of the wrong things people seeing in policy and lobbying and electing government to change this.


    The NSA surveillance began under Bush and became a scandal because Snowden betrayed us.

    The affordable care act is the first overhaul of healthcare in decades. It was long overdue, Romneycare was the blueprint, and the country will realize savings, as will individuals and families.

    If America is so great that Shybuffguy can have a 5000 square foot ranch and enough privacy to stay in the closet, then surely we can give medicine to the poor and sick.

    I agree that white collar crime needs to be more heavily prosecuted. I guess you should've supported the 99%ers if you wanted that...


    And nothing in your answer has anything to do with the fact that about half the country new that ACA was pitched based on falsehoods and unfulfillable promises. Like how much it costs , how much it will cost individuals.

    And of course the glaring debacle of the no bid contracts that built wholly useless website.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 29, 2013 7:10 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    HottJoe said
    musclmed saidThe Tea Party movement arose after the 2008 election and strengthened from what happened with the 2009 ACA act ( circumstances of 1 party involvement and use of budget reconciliation in the Senate to pass)

    several things have given the movement oxygen to strengthen.


    1) Obama promise that you can keep your healthcare plan- FALSE

    2) Obama promise that you can keep your doctor - FALSE>

    3) Obama promise the average family under ACA will save 2500 a year FALSE.

    4) Obama promise ACA will save money ( projected to be over the pricetag over 900 billion

    5) NSA scandal.

    6) debt ceiling , monetary policy. No substantial Wall street prosecution for 2008 bank crisis. Obama best palls with Goldman Sachs, GE, Citicorp

    we can go on , but its not about Anarchy. Its about all of the wrong things people seeing in policy and lobbying and electing government to change this.


    The NSA surveillance began under Bush and became a scandal because Snowden betrayed us.

    The affordable care act is the first overhaul of healthcare in decades. It was long overdue, Romneycare was the blueprint, and the country will realize savings, as will individuals and families.

    If America is so great that Shybuffguy can have a 5000 square foot ranch and enough privacy to stay in the closet, then surely we can give medicine to the poor and sick.

    I agree that white collar crime needs to be more heavily prosecuted. I guess you should've supported the 99%ers if you wanted that...


    And nothing in your answer has anything to do with the fact that about half the country new that ACA was pitched based on falsehoods and unfulfillable promises. Like how much it costs , how much it will cost individuals.

    And of course the glaring debacle of the no bid contracts that built wholly useless website.

    Someday I hope we have universal healthcare. That will make us a stronger country, and help to fulfill the promise of equality.

    I'm not sure you have morals. Republicans seem to think it's okay that only some Americans, the ones who are straight, white and have penises, inherit a decent education and access to medicine. Our country innovated so much, and there's enough to go around. We're not here to stuff ourselves with cock and live selfishly while others are starving. We need the government to be working for all people in this country.

    And then the cock stuffing can resume.icon_smile.gif
  • musclmed

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    Oct 29, 2013 7:30 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    musclmed said
    HottJoe said
    musclmed saidThe Tea Party movement arose after the 2008 election and strengthened from what happened with the 2009 ACA act ( circumstances of 1 party involvement and use of budget reconciliation in the Senate to pass)

    several things have given the movement oxygen to strengthen.


    1) Obama promise that you can keep your healthcare plan- FALSE

    2) Obama promise that you can keep your doctor - FALSE>

    3) Obama promise the average family under ACA will save 2500 a year FALSE.

    4) Obama promise ACA will save money ( projected to be over the pricetag over 900 billion

    5) NSA scandal.

    6) debt ceiling , monetary policy. No substantial Wall street prosecution for 2008 bank crisis. Obama best palls with Goldman Sachs, GE, Citicorp

    we can go on , but its not about Anarchy. Its about all of the wrong things people seeing in policy and lobbying and electing government to change this.


    The NSA surveillance began under Bush and became a scandal because Snowden betrayed us.

    The affordable care act is the first overhaul of healthcare in decades. It was long overdue, Romneycare was the blueprint, and the country will realize savings, as will individuals and families.

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    What are morals? Morality is governed by social mores. If the ACA was balancing the absolute right to obtain healthcare I may agree with your moral imperative. But it is clearly NOT.

    The ACA does not reverse some abhorrent prohibition of certain people from seeing a doctor. Its creators claim it will allow more access by making it CHEAPER for some.

    Even if I agree with your exaggerated moral argument most of the opposition to the ACA claim that it is the wrong way to do this with potential severe consequences. Most of which appear to be coming true.

    So you would expect informed people to blindly accept a politicians promises if their life experience tells them what he is selling is not what is being presented ?