Senate Will Vote on ENDA Before Thanksgiving

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    Oct 30, 2013 6:59 PM GMT
    about time, contact your state senators, tell them to pass ENDA

    http://www.advocate.com/politics/2013/10/28/breaking-senate-will-vote-enda-thanksgiving
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/28/harry-reid-enda_n_4170519.html
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/10/30/the-fate-of-enda-is-still-uncertain-in-the-senate-heres-why/

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    Oct 31, 2013 2:01 PM GMT
    Yes, and Obama is Tweeting about climate change. All of this is to deflect from his fuck ups.
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    Oct 31, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
    WJohnP saidYes, and Obama is Tweeting about climate change. All of this is to deflect from his fuck ups.

    Moron. Oh! You mean like getting rid of chemical weapons in Syria without the loss of 3,000 American boys (unlike your boy Bush), or maybe you mean finding a way to get healthcare to 30 million Americans without cost shifting. Or are you just talking about getting the government open without negotiating with the party of stupid?
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    Oct 31, 2013 6:02 PM GMT
    WJohnP saidYes, and Obama is Tweeting about climate change. All of this is to deflect from his fuck ups.


    Or is it getting rid of DADT? And endorsing gay marriage? And ending the witch hunt on gays that was at the core of Republican strategy. Which big fuck up do you have in mind?
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    Oct 31, 2013 6:15 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    WJohnP saidYes, and Obama is Tweeting about climate change. All of this is to deflect from his fuck ups.

    Moron. Oh! You mean like getting rid of chemical weapons in Syria without the loss of 3,000 American boys (unlike your boy Bush), or maybe you mean finding a way to get healthcare to 30 million Americans without cost shifting. Or are you just talking about getting the government open without negotiating with the party of stupid?


    You are delusional if you think those chemical weapons are gonna be destroyed. Putin doesn't respect Obama one bit. Syria and Russia will destroy a token few of them, but in reality most of them will be kept in Russia for at least a time, if not for a long time.

    And giving 30 million Americans health insurance without cost-shifting? There's another delusion. Money doesn't grow on trees. You aren't gonna be feeling this cost-shifting because you are old, but those of us who are young are gonna feel this cost-shifting.

    As long as enough of us pay the $2500 fine, though, the whole law should collapse, because the law is depending upon the good will of the young (who happen to be in the stage of their lives in which they are least able to lavishly spend money). Obama will have to try to raise the fine to perhaps $4000 in order to save the law, but he'll never manage to get that rammed through Congress.
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    Oct 31, 2013 8:17 PM GMT
    KJSharp said
    Destinharbor said
    WJohnP saidYes, and Obama is Tweeting about climate change. All of this is to deflect from his fuck ups.

    Moron. Oh! You mean like getting rid of chemical weapons in Syria without the loss of 3,000 American boys (unlike your boy Bush), or maybe you mean finding a way to get healthcare to 30 million Americans without cost shifting. Or are you just talking about getting the government open without negotiating with the party of stupid?


    You are delusional if you think those chemical weapons are gonna be destroyed. Putin doesn't respect Obama one bit. Syria and Russia will destroy a token few of them, but in reality most of them will be kept in Russia for at least a time, if not for a long time.

    And giving 30 million Americans health insurance without cost-shifting? There's another delusion. Money doesn't grow on trees. You aren't gonna be feeling this cost-shifting because you are old, but those of us who are young are gonna feel this cost-shifting.

    As long as enough of us pay the $2500 fine, though, the whole law should collapse, because the law is depending upon the good will of the young (who happen to be in the stage of their lives in which they are least able to lavishly spend money). Obama will have to try to raise the fine to perhaps $4000 in order to save the law, but he'll never manage to get that rammed through Congress.


    Health care costs money. Right now those of us who do have insurance are paying for those who can't afford or prefer to roll the dice that they won't need it but expect those of us who do pay to finance the healthcare system. That is the cost shifting going on right now. The least efficient in the developed world delivering some of the worst healthcare in the first world. I had insurance when I was younger than you and paid for it. So yeah, maybe I subsidized myself by overpaying when I was young although right now my healthcare costs are almost nonexistent. That's how insurance works.

    The UN announced today that Syria had indeed destroyed (as confirmed by inspectors) their chemical weapons manufacturing capacity. And all but two stockpiles have been inspected and are moving under international control. The remaining two are in war zones.
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    Oct 31, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    There's nothing you could tell me that would make me believe that Putin allowed his ally and his only access point to the Mediterranean to lose its chemical weapon capability or have all of those valuable weapons destroyed. I think Putin is much smarter than that.


    If there were a way for the US (not the UN, which can't do anything meaningful) to spy and oversee the entirety of Syria and the border between Syria and Russia, then it would be possible that all of these weapons are actually going to be destroyed. I hope that's the case, but I'm deeply skeptical, and I'm skeptical that Obama would do anything about it even if we had this capability and if he knew that these weapons were being funneled across the border. I think Obama cares far more about saving face than he does about making sure that these weapons are eradicated. I also think that if Putin hadn't seen a way to pull such a fox-like maneuver, he wouldn't have agreed to all of this in the first place.
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    Oct 31, 2013 9:03 PM GMT
    Russia doesn't like chemical weapons, either. They've had enough trouble with Chechan (sp?) rebels and others that they have the same interest in containment that we do. I don't know why you have such a bad view of the UN but if we'd listened to them in Iraq, we wouldn't have lost 3,000 American lives fighting a war that only strengthened our enemies in the region.
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    Oct 31, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
    This act will be about as helpful as Lilly's way back when the man first got elected. . . that means it'll do nothing but further force employers to discriminate.

    If you want an act to help minorities get better jobs end the war on drugs. 1/3 of black men will not be able to vote or hold a decent job due to their felony charges, most of which are non-violent and small-sum drug related.

    That costs no money, includes no new regulations, will smother gang/gun violence in inner-city areas and relieve millions of men and women of purposeless felonies that eliminate their chance of participating in the political discussion or holding a good job not to mention increase tax revenue through the widespread sale of marijuana.
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    Oct 31, 2013 11:58 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidRussia doesn't like chemical weapons, either. They've had enough trouble with Chechan (sp?) rebels and others that they have the same interest in containment that we do. I don't know why you have such a bad view of the UN but if we'd listened to them in Iraq, we wouldn't have lost 3,000 American lives fighting a war that only strengthened our enemies in the region.


    I think I'm just fundamentally suspicious :/
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    Nov 05, 2013 7:07 AM GMT
    Gay Rights Bill Clears First Hurdle in Senate
    Final passage, possibly by week's end, would cap a 17-year quest to secure Senate support

    [url]http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/article/gay_rights_bill_clears_first_hurdle_in_senate/36357/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+flatheadbeacon+Flathead+Beacon+Headlines[/url]

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    The three potential Republican presidential candidates — Marco Rubio of Florida, Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky — voted against, a reflection that among core GOP conservative voters opposition to gay rights remains strong. No senator spoke in opposition to the measure during Monday's debate.

    Tony Perkins of the conservative Family Research Council said in a statement that he was disappointed in the Senate vote, but "confident that the U.S. House of Representatives will ultimately reject ENDA because it not only threatens the free market but religious liberties as well."

    Reiterating Boehner's longstanding opposition, spokesman Michael Steel said Monday that Boehner "believes this legislation will increase frivolous litigation and cost American jobs, especially small business jobs."

    Full of shiet hate, as usual.............icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 07, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
    There's already a Republican bill in the house:

    http://news.yahoo.com/2-term-republican-rep-runyan-nj-retire-161126550--politics.html

    Runyan, who has represented a central New Jersey district stretching across the state, was one of 87 Republicans to vote to reopen the government last month after the 16-day shutdown. He also is a co-sponsor of a House bill that would outlaw discrimination against gays in the workplace.

    Republican Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, is a prominent sponsor of the companion bill in the House.

    Omission of facts is a frequent Liberal Homophobic and Race baiting tactic. Notice how The Advocate, Huff.Post and other supposedly gay supporting Liberals fail to mention that house Republicans are sponsoring a similar law.

    Versions of Enda have been introduced since 1994, why didn't Congress pass it in the years when Democrats had control of both houses?
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    Nov 07, 2013 9:49 PM GMT
    Dollars to doughnuts that Speaker Boehner won't let the House consider the Senate bill (because it might actually pass if he did.)
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    Nov 07, 2013 10:43 PM GMT
    Senate Passes ENDA in Bipartisan Votehttp://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/07/senate-passes-enda-in-bipartisan-vote

    Following the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., tweeted at House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, "to do the right thing" and take up the bill.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/11/07/2910661/breaking-senate-passes-lgbt-employment-non-discrimination-act-enda/

    The final vote was 64-32
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    Nov 07, 2013 11:26 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidAll very nice, but the Boner plans to bury it.

    Bury the boner, I see what you did there, and it made me kind of smirk.
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    Nov 15, 2013 6:58 PM GMT
    In today's White House Press Briefing, Jay Carney indicated Obama wants the House to take up the bill instead of issuing a Presidential Executive Order.

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    Nov 15, 2013 9:25 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidIn today's White House Press Briefing, Jay Carney indicated Obama wants the House to take up the bill instead of issuing a Presidential Executive Order.




    you can lead a horse to water (in this case the elephants) but you cant make them drink, I am sure its political point making, the elephants look so out of touch on just about everything icon_rolleyes.gif