New Poll: Only 37% Consider Obamacare Good Idea

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    Oct 31, 2013 3:16 PM GMT
    This is from the NBC News poll released yesterday. I guess they must have asked mostly people who aren't able to keep their insurance plan that they liked.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 31, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
    PrickleyHeat saidThis is from the NBC News poll released yesterday. I guess they must have asked mostly people who aren't able to keep their insurance plan that they liked.


    No they are just confused, and are standing in the way of progress.

    "The law would have turned out better if the people who thought it was a bad idea would have just voted for it and helped the president out."

    This is the narrative that is starting to creep in. An excuse to failing ideas is that people that disagree just dont agree.

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    Oct 31, 2013 7:00 PM GMT
    nothing like flat out lying to get a crappy bill passed. Healthcare needs reforming, but the ACA is just a terrible law
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 31, 2013 7:31 PM GMT
    I'm surprised it's even that high, considering the backlash and other setbacks. I'm sure the number will change, once more of the bugs are worked out.
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    Oct 31, 2013 7:51 PM GMT
    somersault saidnothing like flat out lying to get a crappy bill passed. Healthcare needs reforming, but the ACA is just a terrible law


    I just wonder what kind of impact this is going to have on the general economy next year when all of this hits the fan .... with real checks out of real people/families' accounts as this moves from the third biggest expense after home and car to the biggest family expense in many cases, sometimes even exceeding the mortgage.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 31, 2013 8:06 PM GMT
    Republicans are scoring points defending the insurance industry. Lmfao. That's going to come back and bite them in the ass.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 01, 2013 2:31 AM GMT
    leatherblond said
    freedomisntfree said
    somersault saidnothing like flat out lying to get a crappy bill passed. Healthcare needs reforming, but the ACA is just a terrible law


    I just wonder what kind of impact this is going to have on the general economy next year when all of this hits the fan .... with real checks out of real people/families' accounts as this moves from the third biggest expense after home and car to the biggest family expense in many cases, sometimes even exceeding the mortgage.


    Expect that number to plummet. Once the 1 year delay in the employer mandate is up, 93 million Americans will be losing the health insurance plans they like.

    Fortunately, the insurance companies will be mailing out those cancellation notices - and the new, much higher premium and deductible prices - starting October 1, 2014. A whole month before the midterm elections.

    For a diabolical schemer you sure are grumpy. You need a maniacal laugh.
  • musclmed

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    Nov 01, 2013 4:46 AM GMT
    leatherblond said
    freedomisntfree said
    somersault said


    Fortunately, the insurance companies will be mailing out those cancellation notices - and the new, much higher premium and deductible prices - starting October 1, 2014. A whole month before the midterm elections.


    I dont think its fortunate. It is very unfortunate for all of us. There is some built in surge capacity in the health system but it is less than 1%. A bad flu season can be made into a disaster on epic proportions if even a portion of the population greater than in the past has limited access to care because of insurance issues.

    If you suddenly add 14 million who were covered before to the uninsured roles added with coverage uncertainty that is attached to the ACA you have a health tsunami coming.
  • LJay

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    Nov 01, 2013 5:15 AM GMT
    It is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 01, 2013 5:18 AM GMT
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake

    Hand them a shovel and they'll dig their own grave.
  • musclmed

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    Nov 01, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    The law was crafted so if there was any difference in premium ( 5 dollars) it violates the law.

    Basically its the whole private self pay insurance market.

    So when you say these products are all not adequate, it maybe relating to 5-10% of that market.

    Sibelius testified on Wed to that.

    If you go to a product that has a higher price and higher deductible and less of a doctor base, its basically a USELESS PRODUCT.

    Dollar for Dollar young people will pay more. So this whole adequacy line is just BS.

    Without introducing access, the sticker shock to the healthy and young is huge.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2013/10/reality-confronts-obamas-false-promise/

    An insurance industry-sponsored analysis pointed out that the law — starting in 2014 — will push premiums in the individual market up for some, down for others.

    The winners include older, less healthy persons. Those who were denied coverage before will now be able to obtain it. And those who had coverage, the industry analysis said, may see premiums go down. But young, currently healthy persons are now seeing premiums go up, and experiencing the “sticker shock” that recent news reports highlight. And they are the focus of recent reporting.
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    Nov 01, 2013 6:26 AM GMT
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    Not adequate according to whom?
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 01, 2013 6:29 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    Not adequate according to whom?

    The new law.
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    Nov 01, 2013 6:52 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    Not adequate according to whom?

    The new law.


    Bullshit. Bad answer. The new law IS the problem. Nothing wrong with what I had as part of a 1,200 realtor group buying plan.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 01, 2013 7:19 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    Not adequate according to whom?

    The new law.


    Bullshit. Bad answer. The new law IS the problem. Nothing wrong with what I had as part of a 1,200 realtor group buying plan.

    It's not an arbitrary answer. It's the law. You guys say you had nothing to do with this law. Well, maybe you should have participated when you had the chance.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 01, 2013 7:20 AM GMT
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  • musclmed

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    Nov 01, 2013 7:27 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    Not adequate according to whom?

    The new law.


    Bullshit. Bad answer. The new law IS the problem. Nothing wrong with what I had as part of a 1,200 realtor group buying plan.

    It's not an arbitrary answer. It's the law. You guys say you had nothing to do with this law. Well, maybe you should have participated when you had the chance.


    Maybe a civics class on how laws are crafted , passed and implemented. Sure if they Democrats wanted bipartisan support they would have compromised.

    The Democratic party ran over the whole process. Because of fear of a repeat of Hillary care. They passed it with budget reconciliation with a slim majority in the Senate.

    It stinks on Ice and it was written by the Democratic caucus.

  • HottJoe

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    Nov 01, 2013 7:33 AM GMT
    You republicans have been so glum and have no sense of humor!
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    Nov 01, 2013 7:36 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    Not adequate according to whom?

    The new law.


    Bullshit. Bad answer. The new law IS the problem. Nothing wrong with what I had as part of a 1,200 realtor group buying plan.

    It's not an arbitrary answer. It's the law. You guys say you had nothing to do with this law. Well, maybe you should have participated when you had the chance.


    Bullshit. Bad answer and bad law. Btw, who is "you guys"?
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    Nov 01, 2013 7:37 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou republicans have been so glum and have no sense of humor!


    Maybe because this isn't all that funny.
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    Nov 01, 2013 7:38 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    Not adequate according to whom?

    The new law.


    Bullshit. Bad answer. The new law IS the problem. Nothing wrong with what I had as part of a 1,200 realtor group buying plan.

    It's not an arbitrary answer. It's the law. You guys say you had nothing to do with this law. Well, maybe you should have participated when you had the chance.


    Bullshit. Bad answer and bad law. Btw, who is "you guys"?

    Rick Santorum supporters
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 01, 2013 7:39 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidYou republicans have been so glum and have no sense of humor!


    Maybe because this isn't all that funny.

    I know but the threads on RJ can still be funny.icon_neutral.gif




    Or not.icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 01, 2013 7:47 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidYou republicans have been so glum and have no sense of humor!


    Maybe because this isn't all that funny.

    I know but the threads on RJ can still be funny.icon_neutral.gif




    Or not.icon_confused.gif


    "They cut the individual mandate and shut down the government"

    Did they?

    Before you waste time on me, maybe you better scurry back over to http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3514860/ to answer a couple of good questions a fine gentlemen named leatherblond asked you.
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    Nov 01, 2013 7:49 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    LJay saidIt is hard to believe how much crap is being tossed over this. The herd mentality is astounding.

    The insurance companies are cancelling policies because the do not comply with the law. For years these companies have made bucks by selling coverage that was really not adequate in the face of real health emergencies and people are now complaining that they are no longer able to get by with feeling secure while wasting their money!

    Wake


    Not adequate according to whom?

    The new law.


    Bullshit. Bad answer. The new law IS the problem. Nothing wrong with what I had as part of a 1,200 realtor group buying plan.

    It's not an arbitrary answer. It's the law. You guys say you had nothing to do with this law. Well, maybe you should have participated when you had the chance.


    Bullshit. Bad answer and bad law. Btw, who is "you guys"?

    Rick Santorum supporters


    Shouldn't that be you guy (singular)?
  • mybud

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    Nov 01, 2013 2:25 PM GMT
    And 56% of Americans will vote against ass bagger republicans in congress and the senate in 2014..