Class Action EEO Complaint

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    Oct 31, 2013 8:50 PM GMT
    So I thought I'd post this for some input and views from some of you. Now, first, I know this is a bias group of guys so I expect some slant in the discussion but I'm really looking for some ideas on responding to the email I received. Here's the situation:

    A white str8 male who belongs to an organized religious group has filed a class action EEO complaint against the company for promoting, funding, supporting and encouraging celebration and recognition of a variety of 'protected class' of people. This person has been in the company for 25 years in an office from a different city than mine but an area known to be conservative and religious. He has provided all of this information in his complaint, which was sent to every person in the company for response to be included in the class action if desired.

    The company recognizes special months for Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Blacks, Women and LGBT (I think that's all of them). His complaint is that through this, the company spends money for all these groups but never recognizes Whites, Males, Str8s or people of faith. He's asking that special recognition/celebration be extended to his class of people, Whites, Males, Str8s and people of faith.

    Your thoughts? Please DO NOT derail discussion but PLEASE keep your comments related to the situation provided and not to other situations you might have experienced. I'd like to hear some of your thoughts before expressing my own.
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    Oct 31, 2013 9:04 PM GMT
    Either celebrate everybody, or nobody. Treat everyone equally and there is no issue. Both affirmative action and negative racism lead to some groups feeling excluded and/or treated unfairly, and thus both are counterproductive in furthering racial unity and equality.
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    Oct 31, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    The point of the "special months" (and any other event tied to a minority group) is to unify with each other and celebrate living through historic oppression. Straight, white, religious men have suffered no oppression. That is why there is no "White Power Month".
    A White Month wouldn't celebrate enduring oppression, it would celebrate whiteness and the heteronormative superiority. Which is a huge "STRAIGHT WHITE CHRISTIANS ARE BETTER THAN YOU" party.
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    Oct 31, 2013 9:15 PM GMT
    david2000 saidJust ask any Wiccan, Satanist or Muslim how "open-minded" other faiths are socially.


    Satanism (LaVeyan) should not be classified with Islam, Wicca, etc. as it is not so much a spiritual ideology as a lifestyle and set of principles.

    As for Muslims being open-minded about other faiths... http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Antisemitism
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    Oct 31, 2013 9:17 PM GMT
    Neight saidThe point of the "special months" (and any other event tied to a minority group) is to unify with each other and celebrate living through historic oppression. Straight, white, religious men have suffered no oppression. That is why there is no "White Power Month".
    A White Month wouldn't celebrate enduring oppression, it would celebrate whiteness and the heteronormative superiority. Which is a huge "STRAIGHT WHITE CHRISTIANS ARE BETTER THAN YOU" party.


    "White Power Month" is very different from "White Celebration Month." Your post is disingenuous. As for living through historic oppression - shouldn't we stop fostering the mentality of past victimhood, which promotes grudge-holding, and move forward with the mentality of racial unity and equality? I'm not saying to deny the past. I'm saying to admit that we've learned from it and are moving forward.
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    Oct 31, 2013 10:00 PM GMT
    Incendiary saidEither celebrate everybody, or nobody. Treat everyone equally and there is no issue. Both affirmative action and negative racism lead to some groups feeling excluded and/or treated unfairly, and thus both are counterproductive in furthering racial unity and equality.

    I do think this is the intent of the person filing the class action. My guess is he would like to stop celebrating all of them but I suspect (my thought only) it's because his status has nothing to celebrate as the majority without the issues and struggles other 'protected class' have had to deal with.
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    Oct 31, 2013 10:04 PM GMT
    eb925guy said... His complaint is that through this, the company spends money for all these groups but never recognizes Whites, Males, Str8s or people of faith.


    So, in other words, the company has never, over all its years of existence, given employees a paid day off in celebration of Christ mas.

    And the company has never given a paid day off to any of its employees to celebrate the first day of the AD year of "OUR LORD".

    What company is that, please?
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    Oct 31, 2013 10:49 PM GMT
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    eb925guy said... His complaint is that through this, the company spends money for all these groups but never recognizes Whites, Males, Str8s or people of faith.


    So, in other words, the company has never, over all its years of existence, given employees a paid day off in celebration of Christ mas.

    And the company has never given a paid day off to any of its employees to celebrate the first day of the AD year of "OUR LORD".

    What company is that, please?

    Very true but I'm sure his argument would be that those are paid holidays that everyone gets regardless of their beliefs. I would counter with all the celebrations for the protected class are open to all people in helping to unify the majority (him) and the minorities.
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    Oct 31, 2013 11:16 PM GMT
    eb925guy saidVery true but I'm sure his argument would be that those are paid holidays that everyone gets regardless of their beliefs. I would counter with all the celebrations for the protected class are open to all people in helping to unify the majority (him) and the minorities.


    I'm not a lawyer but I would think a class action suit must show harm done.

    Many companies close their doors on those days entirely, thus xmas day has always been my favorite to go biking without fear of being run over by a commuter. As it has been institutionalized in this society, a non Christian might not even have the opportunity to go into work on a Christian holiday even if they wanted to.

    So not only do non Christians benefit from having the day off & paid for, but they are forced, in an arguable sense, to observe a holiday which is not theirs and might even run counter their own religion.

    Will we similarly be required to sport black face paint on MLK Day too? Now where's the harm? On the other foot, you know, where it always was.
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    Nov 01, 2013 5:54 AM GMT
    venue35 saidHow can you expect people to post on this topic when you are withholding important information?

    What information am I withholding? I've provided you with everything that I was advised of except the person's name and the company.
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    Nov 01, 2013 6:42 AM GMT
    Republicans had their own special day/month when they shut down the government.
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    Nov 01, 2013 3:13 PM GMT
    Runninchlt saidRepublicans had their own special day/month when they shut down the government.

    Not sure that this is relevant to the topic. There's no indication that this guy is republican and, although he might fit the profile of a republican, I'm not sure that is part of the equation.
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    Nov 08, 2013 4:34 AM GMT
    eb925guy saidSo I thought I'd post this for some input and views from some of you. Now, first, I know this is a bias group of guys so I expect some slant in the discussion but I'm really looking for some ideas on responding to the email I received. Here's the situation:

    A white str8 male who belongs to an organized religious group has filed a class action EEO complaint against the company for promoting, funding, supporting and encouraging celebration and recognition of a variety of 'protected class' of people. This person has been in the company for 25 years in an office from a different city than mine but an area known to be conservative and religious. He has provided all of this information in his complaint, which was sent to every person in the company for response to be included in the class action if desired.

    The company recognizes special months for Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Blacks, Women and LGBT (I think that's all of them). His complaint is that through this, the company spends money for all these groups but never recognizes Whites, Males, Str8s or people of faith. He's asking that special recognition/celebration be extended to his class of people, Whites, Males, Str8s and people of faith.

    Your thoughts? Please DO NOT derail discussion but PLEASE keep your comments related to the situation provided and not to other situations you might have experienced. I'd like to hear some of your thoughts before expressing my own.


    how diverse is your company? does it primarily consist of white men?
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    Nov 08, 2013 5:31 AM GMT
    The guy?

    Here's the harm:

    Say you have a house not on the beach but on a hill overlooking the water. A guy now builds a house lower on the hill and you both have that view, no harm done. But now the guy down the hill plants some really tall trees which grow to block your view of the water. So you claim that he has harmed you.

    Say you have a house on the top of a hill. You don't own the entire top of the hill, you couldn't even afford to live on the beach, but you got there first and built your house so that for years, generations even, you enjoyed a 360 degree view off all your surroundings.

    Along comes a low cost housing program, subsidizing an undesirable neighbor's ability to build a house with pretty much the same view as yours. Only now instead of a 360 degree uninterrupted view, you have only 270, with landscape and pool. There's the harm they claim.

    They think they can claim harm because someone else now gets to enjoy the same view. The harm, they claim, is that they now have to shift to see what they could see before without getting up off their ass. You don't hear the term very often but it's known as the tukhus of law. Coming soon to a court near you.
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    Nov 08, 2013 5:45 AM GMT
    Stop it. I kid. Just a friendly jab. Meant no harm. Don't sue me.

    Jewish guy opens a politically correct Asian restaurant. What's he call it? Sosume.
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    Nov 08, 2013 8:51 AM GMT
    Neight saidThe point of the "special months" (and any other event tied to a minority group) is to unify with each other and celebrate living through historic oppression. Straight, white, religious men have suffered no oppression. That is why there is no "White Power Month".
    A White Month wouldn't celebrate enduring oppress
    ion, it would celebrate whiteness and the heteronormative superiority. Which is a huge "STRAIGHT WHITE CHRISTIANS ARE BETTER THAN YOU" party.


    I get Neight's point, but I do want to look at this from another side for just a second, too. - Let's say that the employee's receive some benefit during all of these events like an extra day off with pay. That does mean that you have a group of employees that do not receive that benefit during any month.

    Now, I do think that the company can find a celebration that can be general enough to be politically correct, but still not leave out a group.

    Understand that I am not trying to reward historic oppression, but at the same time, all employees should be eligible to receive the same benefits at some point. I am thinking of that strictly from an HR viewpoint.

    EB - I teach business management classes and this is an interesting topic. Can you keep us filled in on what happens? This might make an interesting case study for my classes in the future.

    Thanks.
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    Nov 12, 2013 4:30 AM GMT
    Have not heard anything about the suit since the one and only email. I did not join the suit as I think it's absurd.