Germany: First European state to introduce a third option for gender

  • metta

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    Nov 01, 2013 4:55 PM GMT
    Germany: First European state to introduce a third option for gender


    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/11/01/germany-first-european-state-to-introduce-a-third-option-for-gender/
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    Nov 01, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
    Interesting news. I wonder why this isn't more widely reported.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Nov 01, 2013 9:00 PM GMT
    "Circumcision ruling condemned by Germany's Muslim and Jewish leaders.
    German court rules that procedure is bodily harm and contravenes right to choose religion in later life."

    You'll recall that that was last summer, when a wise German judge had the balls to call Male Genital Mutilation what it is; and then ruled that the person should be allowed to decide later in life whether or not he wanted to be "circumcised." His decision was reversed and basically quashed by the German Federal Government itself.

    Now the "Third Gender" law allows the person to.... choose for himself/herself later in life.

    The contradiction is, of course, that in both cases the parents are deciding for the child, yet in the MGM cases they are making a decision that is clearly irreversible, whereas in the Third Gender cases they really are leaving it up to the child when old enough to decide for itself.

    I love Germany (studied there for years), but its legal system doesn't have quite the same "logic" of precedence as ours in the U.S.

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    Nov 01, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
    metta8 saidGermany: First European state to introduce a third option for gender

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/11/01/germany-first-european-state-to-introduce-a-third-option-for-gender/

    Some of he pre-Reich Germany States actually had very liberal attitudes toward homosexuality, which was not a crime or prosecutable. It was only after the unification of Germany in 1871 that Otto von Bismarck succeeded in getting many Prussian State laws incorporated into the new Reich legal code, superseding the individual State laws.

    One of these new laws was "Paragraph 175" which made homosexuality illegal, in keeping with Prussian policy. It was enforced sporadically, however, and after World War I the Weimar Republic largely ignored it, and there were attempts to repeal it. Berlin became a thriving gay center.

    The Nazis began to vigorously enforce Paragraph 175 after 1935, sending tens of thousands of gays to the concentration camps. The law lingered on the books until repeal in 1994.

    So that in some regards this German gender option does not surprise me. Germans have often marched to their own drummer on social issues, for both good & bad from my perspective, and are not always as rigid or narrow minded as we in the US might imagine. And frequently much more liberal than we are today.
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    Nov 01, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
    Er... it doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality. It's for birth certificates of inter-sex babies.

    Presumably there will be less immediate pressure to check one box or the other and do surgeries to try to force the issue.
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    Nov 01, 2013 11:12 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidEr... it doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality. It's for birth certificates of inter-sex babies.

    Presumably there will be less immediate pressure to check one box or the other and do surgeries to try to force the issue.

    I used Paragraph 175 as an example of liberal gender attitudes among the previously independent German States in the 19th Century. And why this modern gender option may not be as radical from an historical perspective as it might at first seem.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Nov 02, 2013 12:16 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    mindgarden saidEr... it doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality. It's for birth certificates of inter-sex babies.

    Presumably there will be less immediate pressure to check one box or the other and do surgeries to try to force the issue.

    I used Paragraph 175 as an example of liberal gender attitudes among the previously independent German States in the 19th Century. And why this gender option may not be as radical from an historical perspective as it might at first seem.


    What...the fuck....are you, as usual, talking about????
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    Nov 02, 2013 12:21 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    ART_DECO said
    mindgarden saidEr... it doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality. It's for birth certificates of inter-sex babies.

    Presumably there will be less immediate pressure to check one box or the other and do surgeries to try to force the issue.

    I used Paragraph 175 as an example of liberal gender attitudes among the previously independent German States in the 19th Century. And why this gender option may not be as radical from an historical perspective as it might at first seem.

    What...the fuck....are you, as usual, talking about????

    Nothing much, just simple concepts your peanut brain as usual cannot comprehend.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Nov 02, 2013 12:42 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    WrestlerBoy said
    ART_DECO said
    mindgarden saidEr... it doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality. It's for birth certificates of inter-sex babies.

    Presumably there will be less immediate pressure to check one box or the other and do surgeries to try to force the issue.

    I used Paragraph 175 as an example of liberal gender attitudes among the previously independent German States in the 19th Century. And why this gender option may not be as radical from an historical perspective as it might at first seem.

    What...the fuck....are you, as usual, talking about????

    Nothing much, just simple concepts your peanut brain as usual cannot comprehend.


    I took my DPhil in law from a...German university, last year.

    As usual you, MeninLove, and that complete "Jewish" fake "aristo" think you have a lock on this website: You do not.

    You seem to think you are a lawyer....a medical doctor...an historian....or, what we call in Spanish, simply, a "sabelotodo"...

    You come across, consistently, as a googling idiot who knows nothing.

    What, on earth, did your silly little "googling" exercise in your intellectual insecurity contribute to the theme of this thread?

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Nov 02, 2013 1:25 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    WrestlerBoy said
    ART_DECO said
    mindgarden saidEr... it doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality. It's for birth certificates of inter-sex babies.

    Presumably there will be less immediate pressure to check one box or the other and do surgeries to try to force the issue.

    I used Paragraph 175 as an example of liberal gender attitudes among the previously independent German States in the 19th Century. And why this gender option may not be as radical from an historical perspective as it might at first seem.

    What...the fuck....are you, as usual, talking about????

    Nothing much, just simple concepts your peanut brain as usual cannot comprehend.


    ART_DECO:

    "But that is NOT the case with Muslims. Their goal is the destruction of US democracy. That is the core of their religion, no matter what local Muslims may proclaim. Study their religion and see."

    Yes, my "peanut" brain has studied that "core of their religion" over and over again... just can't find that the Qur'an's "goal" if the "destruction of US democracy" though.

    Enlighten me, NON "peanut-brained" one???



  • Import

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    Nov 02, 2013 1:21 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    WrestlerBoy saidAs usual you, MeninLove, and that complete "Jewish" fake "aristo" think you have a lock on this website: You do not.

    Mentioning me when I had no part in this conversation?
    You are an asshole. And a pretentious, anti-Semitic asshole at that.
    As for your rant about "genital mutilation", go fuck yourself. It's all a part of your nasty Jew-hating. Oh yes, yours doesn't come from the Right. It comes from the Left. Like that makes any difference. You are a snotty, pseudo-intellectual whose constant harping about your brilliance is just a cover for being a common thug. One, I might add, whose loyalties are divided, as you spend a good deal of your time in Colombia and have interests there.

    Funny how that charge, which you threw at me, actually applies to you. No wonder you're so fond of Germany. A true spiritual home.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Nov 02, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    "Anti-semitic asshole,"..... "Nazi fuck...." "Jew-hating fascist..."

    I see I am in good company: This has become your now "routine" argument for anyone who disagrees with you. You're one nasty little piece of middle-aged depressed man, with a nasty little Middle-Aged mind.

    Get....help.