Rand Paul, plagiarist: caught stealing three pages of his book word-for-word

  • TroyAthlete

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    Nov 03, 2013 5:03 PM GMT
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/entire-section-of-rand-pauls-book-copied-verbatim-from-caseAn entire section of Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul’s 2013 book Government Bullies was copied wholesale from a 2003 case study by the Heritage Foundation, BuzzFeed has learned. The copied section, 1,318 words, is by far the most significant instance reported so far of Paul borrowing language from other published material.

    The new cut-and-paste job follows reports by BuzzFeed, Politico, and MSNBC that Paul had plagiarized speeches either from Wikipedia or news reports. The book was published in August 2013 by Center Street, a division of Hachette Book Group.

    In this case, Paul included a link to the Heritage case study in the book’s footnotes, though he made no effort to indicate that not just the source, but the words themselves, had been taken from Heritage.
    A Paul aide defended the senator, saying he makes clear in the book’s “notes and sources” that he didn’t individually research each case...

    MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow discovered last Monday that Paul had plagarized a section of his speech at Liberty University about the movie Gattica from Wikipedia. A follow up report by BuzzFeed the next day found a June 12, 2013 speech on immigration plagiarized a section the Wikipedia article on the movie Stand and Deliver.
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    Nov 03, 2013 5:28 PM GMT
    Maddow plaguarized many times.

    this is a distraction and of course ironic from Rachel who routinely lifts things in her program from others without credit.

    Its also a new standard considering that Obama in his 2011 state of the union speech lifted from multiple sources without credit.

    So if Rand Paul needs to give footnotes on speeches, Obama should as well.

    Rand Paul has actually published in scientific journals an nows how to give credit.

    So back to the democratic underground this topic should go.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/alex-fitzsimmons/2011/01/27/liberal-media-ignore-plagiarism-allegations-against-obama
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    Nov 03, 2013 5:35 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidHe isn't very bright, to begin with. And he clearly feels that ordinary rules are for other people.

    The arrogance of the Right and the Christian Taliban. Well, since the Christian God Himself is on their side, and everyone who opposes them is damned to Hell, clearly they can do no wrong. icon_razz.gif
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    Nov 03, 2013 8:40 PM GMT
    Typical southbeach tactic: make an unproven countercharge, to distract from the matter at hand. And even if Maddow did plagiarize, does it mean that Rand Paul, an elected US Senator, did not?

    That would be like a defense lawyer defending his client in court against theft:

    "But members of the jury, my client did nothing wrong, because I can show you a case where someone else possibly stole, too!"

    And BTW, Maddow isn't the only one who has reported Paul's plagiarism, in this and other instances. Maybe those sources can have their own plagiarisms exposed, too, huh? That ought to keep southbeach busy. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 03, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidTypical southbeach tactic: make an unproven countercharge, to distract from the matter at hand. And even if Maddow did plagiarize, does it mean that Rand Paul, an elected US Senator, did not?

    That would be like a defense lawyer defending his client in court against theft:

    "But members of the jury, my client did nothing wrong, because I can show you a case where someone else possibly stole, too!"

    And BTW, Maddow isn't the only one who has reported Paul's plagiarism, in this and other instances. Maybe those sources can have their own plagiarisms exposed, too, huh? That ought to keep southbeach busy. icon_biggrin.gif


    Yeah, I don't understand the mindset of the right. Jack the Ripper being a murderer does not mean it's okay for me to kill someone today. Moreover, like you point out, the Maddown plagiarism allegations are different entirely than the massive plagiarism uncovered by Buzzfeed.

    I've always suspected that Rand Paul was an intellectually bankrupt fraud and, well, now Buzzfeed has figured it out.
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    Nov 03, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
    If somebody has to steal from Wikipedia, a user edited website that relies on user control for factually accuracy, they must have some pretty poor skills in speech writing and creative thinking. Wikipedia isn't even allowed as a source in writing college papers, because of it's inaccuracy.

    Granted, this is not some random person stealing from Wikipedia for a speech, it's a United States Senator. If you want to know why there are problems in Congress, look no further than dimwits, like Rand Paul, who steal from inaccurate sources.
  • rnch

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    Nov 03, 2013 11:39 PM GMT
    Yet another nut-job TEA-bagger exposed as the fraud he really is.
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    Nov 03, 2013 11:56 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    I've always suspected that Rand Paul was an intellectually bankrupt fraud and, well, now Buzzfeed has figured it out.






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    Nov 04, 2013 12:18 AM GMT
    Mr_Kyle_Barker saidIf somebody has to steal from Wikipedia, a user edited website that relies on user control for factually accuracy, they must have some pretty poor skills in speech writing and creative thinking. Wikipedia isn't even allowed as a source in writing college papers, because of it's inaccuracy.

    Granted, this is not some random person stealing from Wikipedia for a speech, it's a United States Senator. If you want to know why there are problems in Congress, look no further than dimwits, like Rand Paul, who steal from inaccurate sources.


    Well, it's not surprising that someone who worships Ayn Rand like Rand Paul is not-ready-for-prime-time and not very smart. Objectivicts are not known for intelligent thought.

    Teenagers tend to get into Ayn Rand's "greed is good" "selfishness is a virtue" crap because, well, they're teenagers; we expect them to be self-absorbed and emotionally immature at that age. Usually, when people grow up they realize that's not how the real world works.

    The rest of them never grow up, and become conservative Republican tea partiers.
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    Nov 05, 2013 12:44 PM GMT
    A third incident has been uncovered. It appears Republican Rand Paul has copied parts of a piece written by Dan Stewart on drug sentencing.

    Here are the comparisons:

    Dan Stewart

    At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

    and now Rand Paul

    At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory-sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.


    Dan Stewart

    He will be 72 by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. “Matt,” who turned out to have a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months after informing on Horner, and is now free.

    Rand Paul

    John will be 72 years old by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. The informant, who had a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months, and is now free.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/rand-paul-plagiarized-op-ed_n_4216047.html
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    Nov 05, 2013 1:14 PM GMT
    #firstworldproblems
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    Nov 05, 2013 1:16 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidHe isn't very bright, to begin with. And he clearly feels that ordinary rules are for other people.

    This is pretty obvious, but like most bullies, he just feels entitled to be loud and stupid in public without having to prove himself. He's the male Michelle Bachman. Paul/Cruz would make a lovely ticket in 2016, Dumber and Dumberer.
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    Nov 05, 2013 1:18 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said #firstworldproblems

    First world or not, it's certainly our U.S. problem when lying incompetents like Rand Paul sit in the powerful Senate, making our national laws and setting our policies.
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    Nov 06, 2013 12:22 PM GMT
    OK, it gets better. The guy who ghost-wrote Rand Paul's book wears a Confederate flag over his face, calling himself the "Southern Avenger". On the Avenger's own web site he wrote an article entitled "John Wilkes Booth Was Right" in which he wrote "I raise a personal toast every May 10 to celebrate John Wilkes Booth's Birthday". (For those not familiar, perhaps from outside the US, Booth was Abraham Lincoln's assassin, the President who kept the Union together and freed the Black slaves)

    In response Rand Paul asked "Are we at a point where nobody can have had a youth or said anything untoward?" Except, the "Southern Avenger" was still writing this inflammatory stuff just months before Paul hired him to be his ghost writer. This makes good listening:

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    Nov 06, 2013 6:23 PM GMT
    Plagiarism in political speeches is pretty common.

    Joe Biden - 1987 Campaign:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_presidential_campaign,_1988

    Kinnock controversy

    Major controversy beset Biden's candidacy, beginning on September 12, 1987 with high-profile articles in The New York Times and The Des Moines Register.[19] Biden was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, leader of the British Labour Party.[20] Kinnock's speech, delivered to a Welsh Labour Party conference on May 15, 1987, and then rebroadcast during the UK 1987 general election, included the lines:


    Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? [Then pointing to his wife in the audience] Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?


    While Biden's speech included the lines:


    I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? [Then pointing to his wife in the audience] Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? Is it because I'm the first Biden in a thousand generations to get a college and a graduate degree that I was smarter than the rest?[20]


    Biden went on to duplicate other parts of Kinnock's speech, such as their forebears' ability to read and write poetry, their strength in working for hours underground in a mine only to come up and play football afterward, and their being limited by lack of a "platform" upon which to stand.[20]

    Biden had in fact cited Kinnock as the source for the formulation on previous occasions.[21][22] But he made no reference to the original source at the August 23 Democratic debate at the Iowa State Fair being reported on,[23] nor in an August 26 interview for the National Education Association.[22] Moreover, while political speeches often appropriate ideas and language from each other, Biden's use came under more scrutiny because he fabricated aspects of his own family's background in order to match Kinnock's.[15][24]

    Following the Kinnock attention, reports came from the San Jose Mercury News of Biden giving a February 3, 1987, speech to the California Democratic Party that reused without credit passages from a 1967 speech by Robert F. Kennedy, and of Biden giving 1985 and 1986 speeches that did the same with a passage from a 1976 speech by Hubert H. Humphrey.[25][26] In the Kennedy case – which got the greater attention, since there was film footage of both versions that television news programs could play side-by-side – Pat Caddell stated that the reuse without credit was his own fault, and that he had never informed Biden of the source of the material.[25] It was also reported that the California speech had taken a short phrase from the 1961 inaugural address of John F. Kennedy.[26]

    After Biden withdrew from the race, it was learned that he had indeed correctly credited Kinnock on other occasions. But in the Iowa speech that was recorded and distributed to reporters (with a parallel video of Kinnock) by aides to Michael Dukakis, the eventual nominee, he failed to do so. Dukakis, who disowned any knowledge of the Kinnock video, fired John Sasso, his campaign manager and long-time Chief of Staff, but Biden's campaign could not recover.
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    Nov 06, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn saidPlagiarism in political speeches is pretty common.

    Joe Biden - 1987 Campaign:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_presidential_campaign,_1988

    Kinnock controversy

    Major controversy beset Biden's candidacy, beginning on September 12, 1987 with high-profile articles in The New York Times and The Des Moines Register.[19] Biden was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, leader of the British Labour Party.[20] Kinnock's speech, delivered to a Welsh Labour Party conference on May 15, 1987, and then rebroadcast during the UK 1987 general election, included the lines:


    Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? [Then pointing to his wife in the audience] Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?


    While Biden's speech included the lines:


    I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? [Then pointing to his wife in the audience] Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? Is it because I'm the first Biden in a thousand generations to get a college and a graduate degree that I was smarter than the rest?[20]


    Biden went on to duplicate other parts of Kinnock's speech, such as their forebears' ability to read and write poetry, their strength in working for hours underground in a mine only to come up and play football afterward, and their being limited by lack of a "platform" upon which to stand.[20]

    Biden had in fact cited Kinnock as the source for the formulation on previous occasions.[21][22] But he made no reference to the original source at the August 23 Democratic debate at the Iowa State Fair being reported on,[23] nor in an August 26 interview for the National Education Association.[22] Moreover, while political speeches often appropriate ideas and language from each other, Biden's use came under more scrutiny because he fabricated aspects of his own family's background in order to match Kinnock's.[15][24]

    Following the Kinnock attention, reports came from the San Jose Mercury News of Biden giving a February 3, 1987, speech to the California Democratic Party that reused without credit passages from a 1967 speech by Robert F. Kennedy, and of Biden giving 1985 and 1986 speeches that did the same with a passage from a 1976 speech by Hubert H. Humphrey.[25][26] In the Kennedy case – which got the greater attention, since there was film footage of both versions that television news programs could play side-by-side – Pat Caddell stated that the reuse without credit was his own fault, and that he had never informed Biden of the source of the material.[25] It was also reported that the California speech had taken a short phrase from the 1961 inaugural address of John F. Kennedy.[26]

    After Biden withdrew from the race, it was learned that he had indeed correctly credited Kinnock on other occasions. But in the Iowa speech that was recorded and distributed to reporters (with a parallel video of Kinnock) by aides to Michael Dukakis, the eventual nominee, he failed to do so. Dukakis, who disowned any knowledge of the Kinnock video, fired John Sasso, his campaign manager and long-time Chief of Staff, but Biden's campaign could not recover.




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  • musclmed

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    Nov 07, 2013 3:13 AM GMT
    In light of the " I invented the internet" comment by the 2001 presidential candidate from the democrat party, All of this seems pretty silly.

    Very few if anyone challenged him on it at the time.

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    Nov 07, 2013 6:44 AM GMT
    musclmed saidIn light of the " I invented the internet" comment by the 2001 presidential candidate from the democrat party, All of this seems pretty silly.


    Maybe the reasons Republicans can't win an election is because they haven't caught up on the fact yet that it's 2013.
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    Nov 07, 2013 1:12 PM GMT
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    StudlyScrewRite said #firstworldproblems

    First world or not, it's certainly our U.S. problem when lying incompetents like Rand Paul sit in the powerful Senate, making our national laws and setting our policies.


    The presumptive Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton is in office while 4 people get killed in Benghazi:
    "What difference does it make!"


    The presumptive Republican nominee, Rand Paul, doesn't give proper foot notes:
    Progressives lose their $h!t!
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    Nov 07, 2013 1:50 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said
    ART_DECO said
    StudlyScrewRite said #firstworldproblems

    First world or not, it's certainly our U.S. problem when lying incompetents like Rand Paul sit in the powerful Senate, making our national laws and setting our policies.


    The presumptive Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton is in office while 4 people get killed in Benghazi:
    "What difference does it make!"


    The presumptive Republican nominee, Rand Paul, doesn't give proper foot notes:
    Progressives lose their $h!t!

    George Bush was in office as the sitting President, not the "presumptive nominee", when 3000 Americans were killed at the WTC, the Pentagon, and Flight 93. President Ronald Reagan was in office in 1983 when a US facility was bombed in Beirut, Lebanon. In case that one isn't familiar to some:

    ... the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, making this incident the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since World War II's Battle of Iwo Jima, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Vietnam War's Tet Offensive, and the deadliest single attack on Americans overseas since World War II.

    And you haven't addressed the issue of Rand Paul's ghost writer being the "Southern Avenger" who wears a Confederate flag face mask, and praises John Wilkes Booth for having assassinated Abraham Lincoln.
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    Nov 07, 2013 2:55 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidOh, and by the way, "doctor", Gore never said he invented the internet. What he said was that he was instrumental in providing the funding for the research that did.

    Another right-wing myth that turns out to be bullshit. But you're such a sucker, you'll believe anything. I suppose that's why you expect others to believe anything, like someone actually making it through medical school. Or even being accepted into one.

    Correct. Gore was also responsible for promoting some Congressional bills that allowed for the regulatory existence of the Internet. The Internet was not a product of private industry, as some suppose today, though it is one of commerce's greatest assets.

    The Internet was created from a consortium of government, military, and academic networks, principally the ARPANET, created by DoD's R&D arm DARPA. I used the ARPANET myself for US Army projects. Morphing the restricted-use ARPANET into what became today's public Internet required some legislative acts, in which Gore was involved in the US Senate.

    Gore therefore helped to enable the Internet, though he did not "create" it in a programming or research sense. Which his right-wing critics have seized upon, in a typical distortion of what he really meant.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:34 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said The presumptive Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton is in office while 4 people get killed in Benghazi:
    "What difference does it make!"


    This is so much BS. Hillary Clinton never replied that to the fact that 4 people got killed. She replied that to how the attack happened.

    And the plagiarism accusations probably wouldn't get that much attention if Rand Paul was just a back bench senator. He's aspiring to the highest office, that's where the concern is.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:42 PM GMT
    musclmed saidIn light of the " I invented the internet" comment by the 2001 presidential candidate from the democrat party, All of this seems pretty silly.

    Very few if anyone challenged him on it at the time.







    This slacker reply is SO typical of the current GOP "playbook": deflect, lie, quote out of context, try to change the subject...anything except admit the truth.
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    Nov 07, 2013 4:38 PM GMT
    rnch said
    musclmed saidIn light of the " I invented the internet" comment by the 2001 presidential candidate from the democrat party, All of this seems pretty silly.

    Very few if anyone challenged him on it at the time.







    This slacker reply is SO typical of the current GOP "playbook": deflect, lie, quote out of context, try to change the subject...anything except admit the truth.



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    Nov 07, 2013 9:33 PM GMT
    This will blow over because it's irrelevant.
    For my money, Rand Paul is our best choice for our next president.
    So far that is.