The Further Collapse of the Democratic Rule of Law

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Nov 05, 2013 2:03 PM GMT
    The NSA/Snowden "scandal" has now made clear that we have moved into a post-democratic society: The institutions of democracy are still here (congresses, parliaments, elected representatives, etc.) but those institutions have now become mere shells adorning the security "state-within-a-state."

    To wit: I am sure we've all been following the negotiations over the Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership (nobody will see you raise your hand if you've never heard of it) and the insidious Investor-State Dispute Settlement Agreement that goes along with it (two hands up if you've never heard of that).

    To those of us who thought we had any real power left, at all, in our "democratic" societies..... read on:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/04/us-trade-deal-full-frontal-assault-on-democracy

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    Nov 05, 2013 2:32 PM GMT
    I am with you on this. On one of my favorite radio shows, "Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis" just last night he was talking about how the 4th Amendment is gone and how it is incredible that 5,000 people have willingly "volunteered" to help the government in Oregon implement new black box tracking technology for cars so that the government can track where you are / where you've been, and "tax" you as well.

    A major roadblock to adopting a per-mile tax is the specter of mandatory tracking of all citizens with GPS-like devices. Activists across the political spectrum from the Tea Party to the American Civil Liberties Union have raised privacy concerns.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57610682/will-you-have-to-pay-a-tax-for-every-mile-you-travel/
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    Nov 05, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
    This is why Americans keep buying guns. They instictivily know for a fact something is seriously wrong. We know we are constantly monitored, photographed, listened in on, recorded and snooped on.

    NSA, drones, secret FISA courts, Congress not living under the laws they pass. The Constitution is dead.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Nov 05, 2013 3:21 PM GMT
    somersault saidThis is why Americans keep buying guns. They instictivily know for a fact something is seriously wrong. We know we are constantly monitored, photographed, listened in on, recorded and snooped on.

    NSA, drones, secret FISA courts, Congress not living under the laws they pass. The Constitution is dead.


    I'm not only agreeing with you that the Constitution is dead, but the guns won't help anyone, either. The new TTIP and the Investor-State Dispute simply take almost anything that matters economically out of any democratic court system and give private corporations access to (yet another) "secret court", allowing them to sue entire nations/governments if they don't get their way....

    A lot of those nations/governments have already had to pay corporations... billions of dollars, that then can't be used for schools, hospitals, roads, etc.

    So those corporations are ripping off our treasuries, and there is no democratic process in place to prevent them from doing so or allowing us any form of redress to stop them from doing so.

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    Nov 05, 2013 3:33 PM GMT
    ^^

    so what, we have corrupt governments and corrupt corporations fighting eachother, regualar citizens are getting screwed by both and thy know it.

    And who the hell is Glen Beck and why should I care?
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 05, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    Go back any amount of time in American history, and I can guarantee that it was a 1000 times worse. This country was built on the backs of slavery and cruel barbarous labor practices. We have it relatively good in the 21 century.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Nov 05, 2013 6:21 PM GMT
    I don't think that's the point of what I am saying about this new "system" of "democracy": I think the point is that there is no "we" anymore, in the sense that you mean "we" have it really good.

    For the advances we have made since, say, slavery (economically, legally, in terms of social justice, etc.), you have, today, zero...statistically 0% percent chance, if you were born on Park Avenue in the South Bronx, of moving down the same street to Park Avenue at, say, 76th Street. So who do you mean by "we"??

    This saw we are hearing all the time lately ("We've always fought like this.... the Congress has always been a nasty place... we've always come through...") yes, when "we" governed our own country. It's the latter that agreements such as the TTIP are taking away from us. And, for the most part, that isn't affecting the "we" like you and me to the same extent that it is affecting the "we" born in the South Bronx.