You can't make this up! Obama denies ‘If you like your plan you can keep it’ videotaped promises

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    Nov 05, 2013 2:04 PM GMT
    Is he joking?!


    President Barack Obama told his enthusiastic supporters Monday night that he never promised what video recordings show him promising at least 29 times.

    The videos show Obama promising 300 million Americans that “if you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan, period.”

    But that’s not what he really said, Obama announced Monday in a speech to about 200 Organizing for Action supporters, gathered at the St. Regis hotel in D.C.

    “What we said was you could keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law was passed,” he told Obamacare’s political beneficiaries and contractors.

    That claim is not supported by his videotaped statements, which don’t include any mention of his new “if it hasn’t changed” exception.


    http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/05/obama-denies-you-can-keep-it-videotaped-promises/
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    Nov 05, 2013 2:53 PM GMT
    Here is what he actually said.

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    Nov 05, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
    You are first now realizing that this progressive President is a liar? He has been since he took office. But be careful if you speak out or you will be called a lunatic or a racist. Glad to see more people are realizing who he really is.
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    Nov 05, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    The president just changed his mind, that's all.
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    Nov 05, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
    I did a little more research at lunch time today and came up with this:

    "And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn't happened yet. It won't happen in the future." – Obama, remarks in Portland, Ore., April 1, 2010, after the bill was signed into law.

    And just this Monday he said:

    "If we had allowed these old plans to be downgraded, or sold to new enrollees once the law had already passed, then we would have broken an even more important promise--making sure Americans gain access to health care that doesn't leave them one illness away from financial ruin."

  • HottJoe

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    Nov 05, 2013 11:34 PM GMT
    I knew he never said that.
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    Nov 05, 2013 11:55 PM GMT
    Now, even MSNBC is taking him to task.

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    Nov 06, 2013 6:17 PM GMT
    http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

    "San Francisco architect Lee Hammack says he and his wife, JoEllen Brothers, are “cradle Democrats.” They have donated to the liberal group Organizing for America and worked the phone banks a year ago for President Obama’s re-election.

    Since 1995, Hammack and Brothers have received their health coverage from Kaiser Permanente, where Brothers worked until 2009 as a dietician and diabetes educator. “We’ve both been in very good health all of our lives – exercise, don’t smoke, drink lightly, healthy weight, no health issues, and so on,” Hammack told me.

    The couple — Lee, 60, and JoEllen, 59 — have been paying $550 a month for their health coverage — a plan that offers solid coverage, not one of the skimpy plans Obama has criticized. But recently, Kaiser informed them the plan would be canceled at the end of the year because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. The couple would need to find another one. The cost would be around double what they pay now, but the benefits would be worse.

    “From all of the sob stories I’ve heard and read, ours is the most extreme,” Lee told me in an email last week.

    I’ve been skeptical about media stories featuring those who claimed they would be worse off because their insurance policies were being canceled on account of the ACA. In many cases, it turns out, the consumers could have found cheaper coverage through the new health insurance marketplaces, or their plans weren’t very good to begin with. Some didn’t know they could qualify for subsidies that would lower their insurance premiums.

    So I tried to find flaws in what Hammack told me. I couldn’t find any.

    The couple’s existing Kaiser plan was a good one.
    Their new options were indeed more expensive, and the benefits didn’t seem any better.
    They do not qualify for premium subsidies because they make more than four times the federal poverty level, though Hammack says not by much.
    Hammack recalled his reaction when he and his wife received a letters from Kaiser in September informing him their coverage was being canceled. “I work downstairs and my wife had a clear look of shock on her face,” he said. “Our first reaction was clearly there’s got to be some mistake. This was before the exchanges opened up. We quickly calmed down. We were confident that this would all be straightened out. But it wasn’t.”

    I asked Hammack to send me details of his current plan. It carried a $4,000 deductible per person, a $40 copay for doctor visits, a $150 emergency room visit fee and 30 percent coinsurance for hospital stays after the deductible. The out-of-pocket maximum was $5,600.

    This plan was ending, Kaiser’s letters told them, because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. “Everything is taken care of,” the letters said. “There’s nothing you need to do.”

    The letters said the couple would be enrolled in new Kaiser plans that would cost nearly $1,300 for the two of them (more than $15,000 a year).

    And for that higher amount, what would they get? A higher deductible ($4,500), a higher out-of-pocket maximum ($6,350), higher hospital costs (40 percent of the cost) and possibly higher costs for doctor visits and drugs.

    When they shopped around and looked for a different plan on California's new health insurance marketplace, Covered California, the cheapest one was $975, with hefty deductibles and copays.

    In a speech in Boston last week, President Obama said those receiving cancellation letters didn’t have good insurance. “There are a number of Americans — fewer than 5 percent of Americans — who've got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident,” he said.
    "
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    Nov 06, 2013 8:20 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

    "San Francisco architect Lee Hammack says he and his wife, JoEllen Brothers, are “cradle Democrats.” They have donated to the liberal group Organizing for America and worked the phone banks a year ago for President Obama’s re-election.

    Since 1995, Hammack and Brothers have received their health coverage from Kaiser Permanente, where Brothers worked until 2009 as a dietician and diabetes educator. “We’ve both been in very good health all of our lives – exercise, don’t smoke, drink lightly, healthy weight, no health issues, and so on,” Hammack told me.

    The couple — Lee, 60, and JoEllen, 59 — have been paying $550 a month for their health coverage — a plan that offers solid coverage, not one of the skimpy plans Obama has criticized. But recently, Kaiser informed them the plan would be canceled at the end of the year because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. The couple would need to find another one. The cost would be around double what they pay now, but the benefits would be worse.

    “From all of the sob stories I’ve heard and read, ours is the most extreme,” Lee told me in an email last week.

    I’ve been skeptical about media stories featuring those who claimed they would be worse off because their insurance policies were being canceled on account of the ACA. In many cases, it turns out, the consumers could have found cheaper coverage through the new health insurance marketplaces, or their plans weren’t very good to begin with. Some didn’t know they could qualify for subsidies that would lower their insurance premiums.

    So I tried to find flaws in what Hammack told me. I couldn’t find any.

    The couple’s existing Kaiser plan was a good one.
    Their new options were indeed more expensive, and the benefits didn’t seem any better.
    They do not qualify for premium subsidies because they make more than four times the federal poverty level, though Hammack says not by much.
    Hammack recalled his reaction when he and his wife received a letters from Kaiser in September informing him their coverage was being canceled. “I work downstairs and my wife had a clear look of shock on her face,” he said. “Our first reaction was clearly there’s got to be some mistake. This was before the exchanges opened up. We quickly calmed down. We were confident that this would all be straightened out. But it wasn’t.”

    I asked Hammack to send me details of his current plan. It carried a $4,000 deductible per person, a $40 copay for doctor visits, a $150 emergency room visit fee and 30 percent coinsurance for hospital stays after the deductible. The out-of-pocket maximum was $5,600.

    This plan was ending, Kaiser’s letters told them, because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. “Everything is taken care of,” the letters said. “There’s nothing you need to do.”

    The letters said the couple would be enrolled in new Kaiser plans that would cost nearly $1,300 for the two of them (more than $15,000 a year).

    And for that higher amount, what would they get? A higher deductible ($4,500), a higher out-of-pocket maximum ($6,350), higher hospital costs (40 percent of the cost) and possibly higher costs for doctor visits and drugs.

    When they shopped around and looked for a different plan on California's new health insurance marketplace, Covered California, the cheapest one was $975, with hefty deductibles and copays.

    In a speech in Boston last week, President Obama said those receiving cancellation letters didn’t have good insurance. “There are a number of Americans — fewer than 5 percent of Americans — who've got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident,” he said.
    "



    Well, they voted for it (being Democrats). Hope they enjoy their new health insurance.
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    Nov 06, 2013 10:11 PM GMT

    Prickly, I notice when you talk politics your Christian ethic flies straight out the window. You wish that couple to suffer because they voted for Obama. Tsk tsk. I suggest you address your gigantic-ego driven faith and choose instead to wish improvements for the ACA so people won't go through this.
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    Nov 07, 2013 12:16 AM GMT
    Here's a funny one:

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    Nov 07, 2013 1:14 AM GMT
    Obama a liar? no surprise there, trying to railroad this socialist healthcare through that will only benefit about 5% of the population while screwing everyone else..thanks