Canada's Harper's on his way out already?!?!?!

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    Dec 02, 2008 4:32 PM GMT
    Opposition agrees to coalition with Dion as PM

    Updated Mon. Dec. 1 2008 11:13 PM ET

    CTV.ca News Staff

    "In a historic political move, the leaders of the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc Quebecois signed a formal agreement Monday to topple the Tories and co-operate as a coalition government for at least 18 months.

    ...The opposition plans to take down the government with a confidence vote next Monday."

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081130/conservative_budget_081201/20081201?hub=Canada


    I think Harper copped that election in October to try to avoid a vote after an Obama victory. But it looks like it's gonna catch up with him anyway. I hear he is pissed! ... icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 02, 2008 5:55 PM GMT
    Hey, I'm not a Conservative, but the left up here had every chance in the world to coalesce their support BEFORE the election. Their gigantic egos didn't allow that to happen. Now they're getting into bed with the separtists to usurp the mandate of the Canadian electorate.

    It's all quite vile, and since I'm from Alberta I know how this scenario will play out. We'll pay higher taxes to subsidize free daycare, etc. in Quebec while the residents of that province continue to vote for the separatists. We've been there; we've done that.

    This is what you call a tyranny of the majority.
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    Dec 02, 2008 6:56 PM GMT


    We'll see what the Governor-general does. She can either say yes to a coalition or drop the writ for another election, or make the coalition extremely short-lived and decree an election in the next six months after the federal budget in January.

    This is really Harper's own fault. No stimulus package; behaving the same way governments did in the 20s which brought about the Great Depression.

    Now he's backtracking as much as possible and including fiscal measures to help the economy.

    And Caslon's right on with this - Harper had an election before the US one, breaking his own rules about election times and knowing full well that Canadians always like voting for a party that will work well with the US. Guess he knew long in advance that Barak Obama was going to win.

    Harper; smart in one way, dumb in another.
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    Dec 02, 2008 7:33 PM GMT
    art_smass saidHey, I'm not a Conservative, but the left up here had every chance in the world to coalesce their support BEFORE the election. Their gigantic egos didn't allow that to happen. Now they're getting into bed with the separtists to usurp the mandate of the Canadian electorate.

    It's all quite vile, and since I'm from Alberta I know how this scenario will play out. We'll pay higher taxes to subsidize free daycare, etc. in Quebec while the residents of that province continue to vote for the separatists. We've been there; we've done that.

    This is what you call a tyranny of the majority.
    I think Canada Parliamentary form of gov't is quite interesting. I wish we had some stronger third parties here in the US.
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    Dec 03, 2008 2:05 AM GMT
    I'm for it. I voted Liberal. It's about time we made a move on the economy before the fact not after.
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    Dec 03, 2008 2:56 AM GMT
    As a conservative canadian in Alberta, this whole scenario is best summed up by a headline today, "Three stooges, stage coup".

    While Canada is weathering the economic downturn fairly well, these clowns want to pump money into subsidiaries of american companies whose own future is yet to be determined. Thats smart fiscal thinking, eh boys.

    I hope they watch themselves on TV, they come across as ridiculous. I cant even find the words to describe the farce that will be created if these 3 jokers pull this off.



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    Dec 03, 2008 3:36 AM GMT
    Maybe there is a political equilibrim that must be maintained in the world....when it gets smart in one part, it's gotta get stupid somewhere else ....tee hee hee.... icon_lol.gif ... not that I know if the heads of the 3 coalition parties are "stooges" or not....but Dion hasnt impressed me
  • art_smass

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    Dec 03, 2008 5:59 PM GMT
    I don't really like any of them. I reluctantly gave Harper my vote in the previous election only because I didn't want to vote for the Liberals after the sponsorship scandal. I actually didn't feel bad about it because I believed that his first term was quite dignified. I voted for him again only because I believe that Dion is a stooge. I'm a gay, vegetarian bus-rider who has never owned a car, and I could see right through his "Green Shift." "Wealth Transfer" was more like it.

    Now if the Liberals could actually produce a moderate leadership candidate who would promise to put the interests of Canadians who want to be Canadians in front of the interests of Quebec, I'd vote for him or her. As it stands, Harper's going to have my vote again if we go back to the polls. I'm not a socialist and I'm not a separatist, and I won't get into bed with either of them in order to promote my own agenda.
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    Dec 03, 2008 6:19 PM GMT
    I personally think the opposition is making a mistake. I have heard anecdotally from people that voted liberal, that they are so pissed off they will vote Conservative next time. If this happens the Conservatives would have lost the battle but won the war.

    Next week Canada could potentially be led by a leader who has already resigned (the Liberals are having a leadership convention in May) and is supported by a party that wants to take the second largest province out of confederation. Just imagine the balance of power in Washington being held by a party that wanted to make Texas a separate country?

    Although I am not a big fan of the Conservative party, I think this is not the time to be playing political "chicken". Unfortunately for the Liberals and NDP the majority of Canadians probably agree with me.
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    Dec 03, 2008 6:25 PM GMT


    What SurrealLife just said.
  • Thirdbeach

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    Dec 04, 2008 3:22 AM GMT
    I think I will watch the Leader's debates during the next election.

    I bet they will be pretty interesting.

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    Dec 04, 2008 3:28 AM GMT
    For the first time since the 1980s, Canadian politics has become very interesting. Too bad, though, it isn't about leadership. One group of non-leaders trying to oust an other non-leader. At least in the 1980s, Trudeau and Mulroney were charismatic and interesting people. Only Jack Layton comes across as having a personality. Dion has the personality of drift wood, Duceppe is the stump it came from, and Harper is cold fish trying to hump it.
  • bigtallguy

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    Dec 04, 2008 3:30 AM GMT
    The coup d'etat has begun. The rivers will run red with Tory blood!

    http://thedailystruggle.com/2008/12/03/the-struggle-to-prevent-civil-war-in-canada/
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    Dec 04, 2008 3:32 AM GMT
    SurrealLife said Just imagine the balance of power in Washington being held by a party that wanted to make Texas a separate country?.


    They would totally get my vote. And why stop at Texas? Why not let Mexico have the whole damn Confederacy?
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    Dec 04, 2008 4:13 AM GMT
    "Standing in the center of it all is a woman named Michaƫlle Jean, the 27th Governor-General of Canada, who will have to mediate with Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Opposition leaders and come to a series of decisions that preserve the Canadian's people's faith in their government and in their constitutional processes. It is truly representative of 21st century multi-cultural Canada that this responsibility rests on the shoulders of a woman of African descent, born in Haiti, who moved to Montreal as a child and became a distinguished television journalist before being appointed to this largely ceremonial and symbolic post. For Americans, it would be as if Barbara Walters, with a lot of advice from lawyers and constitutional scholars, was entrusted with some unique and abstract role as the final arbiter on important constitutional matters." [emphasis added] ... icon_lol.gif
    http://electopundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/canada-in-crisis.html
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    Dec 04, 2008 4:42 AM GMT
    Caslon8000 said For Americans, it would be as if Barbara Walters, with a lot of advice from lawyers and constitutional scholars, was entrusted with some unique and abstract role as the final arbiter on important constitutional matters." [emphasis added] ... icon_lol.gif
    http://electopundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/canada-in-crisis.html




    If Barbara Walters were the final arbiter of constitutional matters I think the America would be a much happier place.

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    Dec 04, 2008 4:54 AM GMT
    Reading that blog kinda made me think that......

    Canada is like a disfunctional family.. You've got Alberta and Quebec which are like two sisters who hate each other and then both are jealous of Ontario the pretty, popular, smoken hot older sister who always seems to get everything she wants. B.C. is the chill laid back older brother who dosen't like to cause drama.. and the rest are sorta just there.
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    Dec 04, 2008 4:59 AM GMT
    I'd suggest that BC is the pretty, smoking hot sister with the big rack...of mountains. Ontario is more the older, fat nerdy one who has the brains and resources to take care of the family. Quebec is the one that keeps threatening to run away from home. Alberta has a lot of toys, but doesn't like to share.
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    Dec 04, 2008 5:01 AM GMT
    To all the Canadians on my Hot List:

    I know you are eager to escape the chaos and violence that is plaguing your country during this government overthrow.
    I want to do all that I can to help. So, I have turned my bedroom into refugee camp for all of you.

    Unfortunately, my room is small and only has one bed that we will all have to share. I know this may be awkward at first, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

    Stay strong,

    -Hale

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    Dec 04, 2008 5:03 AM GMT
    Hahaha! We'll bring the pot and the gay marriage. You just make sure Barack let's us in.
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    Dec 04, 2008 5:03 AM GMT
    NoSuchPerson saidI'd suggest that BC is the pretty, smoking hot sister with the big rack...of mountains. Ontario is more the older, fat nerdy one who has the brains and resources to take care of the family. Quebec is the one that keeps threatening to run away from home. Alberta has a lot of toys, but doesn't like to share.



    Hahah so that makes Saskatchewan the overweight, insucure boarderline bulimic middle child with issues stemming from not being hugged enough as a child?


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    Dec 04, 2008 5:06 AM GMT
    bigtallguy saidTo all the Canadians on my Hot List:

    I know you are eager to escape the chaos and violence that is plaguing your country during this government overthrow.
    I want to do all that I can to help. So, I have turned my bedroom into refugee camp for all of you.

    Unfortunately, my room is small and only has one bed that we will all have to share. I know this may be awkward at first, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

    Stay strong,

    -Hale



    Hahahaha.. We'll be in such a rush to flee we might not bring many clothes.. but I doubt thats a bad thing.icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 04, 2008 10:05 AM GMT
    NoSuchPerson saidI'd suggest that BC is the pretty, smoking hot sister with the big rack...of mountains. Ontario is more the older, fat nerdy one who has the brains and resources to take care of the family. Quebec is the one that keeps threatening to run away from home. Alberta has a lot of toys, but doesn't like to share.


    That pretty much sums up Canada. I wonder how Quebec will fair with the economic stimulus package and Bloc Quebecois holding so many seats? Not that I am cynical or anything. And the promise of ruling for 18 months? As soon as the BQ does not like something they will be tempted to pick up their marbles and go home (or worse start throwing their marbles).
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    Dec 04, 2008 10:07 AM GMT
    Caslon8000 said"Standing in the center of it all is a woman named Michaƫlle Jean, the 27th Governor-General of Canada, who will have to mediate with Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Opposition leaders and come to a series of decisions that preserve the Canadian's people's faith in their government and in their constitutional processes. It is truly representative of 21st century multi-cultural Canada that this responsibility rests on the shoulders of a woman of African descent, born in Haiti, who moved to Montreal as a child and became a distinguished television journalist before being appointed to this largely ceremonial and symbolic post. For Americans, it would be as if Barbara Walters, with a lot of advice from lawyers and constitutional scholars, was entrusted with some unique and abstract role as the final arbiter on important constitutional matters." [emphasis added] ... icon_lol.gif
    http://electopundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/canada-in-crisis.html


    Oh Michaelle Jean is much classier, prettier and frankly more intelligent than Barbara Walters. I think a better comparison would be Rihanna or Beyonce if they had a journalist degree.
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    Dec 04, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    kRakaJak saidso is this canada's election time? or does anyone care? i'm just asking. (or am i looking for another joke)?

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    They had their election last October. This a coup d'etat. ..a revolution ...a dissolution of Canada ...a breaking up of the confederation ...the end of Canada as we know it ... icon_eek.gif

    ....or something like that ... icon_lol.gif