any RJ stock traders? twitter IPO?

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    Nov 06, 2013 3:19 PM GMT
    i've been dabbling in online stock trading for the past few years as a side hobby and am considering buying some shares of twitter tomorrow during one of the most anticipated tech ipo's since facebook. i remember this same flurry of excitement leading up to facebook's ipo last year, and, as other traders here may know, things didn't go so well. i bought in to facebook because, in my humble opinion, the company had and still has great financial and growth potential, given there 1 billion+ users. facebook ipo shareholders over the past few months are finally starting to see their investments return gains.

    i'm considering to buy shares in twitter tomorrow, but not sure whether i should sell quickly after making a small profit (if possible) or invest long-term.

    my questions for the board are:

    1. do you think that twitter has a chance to do well long-term as a company?

    2. do you think related social media (e.g. facebook-owned instagram or snapchat) are too much competition for twitter to expand its user base (currently at ~250 million monthly active users)?

    3. any ideas of how twitter can offer an actual product to users, rather than just making money off of advertising? facebook currently has this problem.

    4. any other buyers?

    thanks, in advance, for your input guys!

    Sean
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    Nov 06, 2013 4:08 PM GMT
    Well, I suspect that many novices, like myself, will stay clear of the Twitter offering because of the Facebook debacle but most will not see that FB is currently selling at over $50 a share compared to the IPO price of $38. Although it was down as low as $20ish, it has rebounded on good earnings and solid revenue.

    I think I'll probably pass on Twitter because I'm currently overloaded in the tech sector, but I might change my mind by tomorrow.

    I think Twitter like all tech stocks is subject to tomorrows discoveries and the public's whim. Look at MySpace before and after the discovery of FB. FB dominates now because it was able to get a stronghold in advertising and the older population before the younger population moved on. I think Twitter will be in between the two long term.

    The only produce Twitter has is advertising. It must maintain the association with wanted 'feeds' such as news and celebrities in order to interest the public and through that, sell ads. I think much of it is generational and the older generation will opt for individual apps for information rather than continues chatter on Twitter.

    Hard to say if it will be a fad or not…some said Microsoft and Apple were fads, just not sure how long those fads will continue. Oh where did I put that crystal ball? icon_eek.gif
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    Nov 06, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
    Stay away like it's a toxic waste dump, which it is. This was the same advice I gave for FB, wait a week or so, which is what I said about FB and then buy, which is what I did with FB and wait for it to double. I picked up FB under 20 and sold at 44. It's now over 50.
    Stupid people by IPO's. Are you stupid?
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    Nov 07, 2013 12:42 AM GMT
    eb925guy saidWell, I suspect that many novices, like myself, will stay clear of the Twitter offering because of the Facebook debacle but most will not see that FB is currently selling at over $50 a share compared to the IPO price of $38. Although it was down as low as $20ish, it has rebounded on good earnings and solid revenue.

    I think I'll probably pass on Twitter because I'm currently overloaded in the tech sector, but I might change my mind by tomorrow.

    I think Twitter like all tech stocks is subject to tomorrows discoveries and the public's whim. Look at MySpace before and after the discovery of FB. FB dominates now because it was able to get a stronghold in advertising and the older population before the younger population moved on. I think Twitter will be in between the two long term.

    The only produce Twitter has is advertising. It must maintain the association with wanted 'feeds' such as news and celebrities in order to interest the public and through that, sell ads. I think much of it is generational and the older generation will opt for individual apps for information rather than continues chatter on Twitter.

    Hard to say if it will be a fad or not…some said Microsoft and Apple were fads, just not sure how long those fads will continue. Oh where did I put that crystal ball? icon_eek.gif


    thanks for your input, ebguy. i share some of the same concerns about twtr just being a fad which is why i would be afraid to invest long-term. i don't use twtr and i hardly ever use fb (although i do have an account); however, i do recognize the staying power of fb. fb is more than just a high school/college kid's online social playground, it's also an alternative means of communication for every age demographic, similar to talking on the phone or traditional e-mail. i don't see twtr as a communications requirement like fb. however, i could foresee twtr being bought out by a company like fb... well, maybe not fb, but goog could certainly afford the company. if that happens, a long-term investment would generate a healthy return. perhaps, i'll just watch this one from the sidelines. although, i'll be kicking myself if the price rockets. please find that crystal ball, quickly! icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 07, 2013 1:29 AM GMT
    sean_zuri saidthanks for your input, ebguy. i share some of the same concerns about twtr just being a fad which is why i would be afraid to invest long-term. i don't use twtr and i hardly ever use fb (although i do have an account); however, i do recognize the staying power of fb. fb is more than just a high school/college kid's online social playground, it's also an alternative means of communication for every age demographic, similar to talking on the phone or traditional e-mail. i don't see twtr as a communications requirement like fb. however, i could foresee twtr being bought out by a company like fb... well, maybe not fb, but goog could certainly afford the company. if that happens, a long-term investment would generate a healthy return. perhaps, i'll just watch this one from the sidelines. although, i'll be kicking myself if the price rockets. please find that crystal ball, quickly! icon_confused.gif

    My concern would be more along the lines of someone, like FB, integrating a service such as Twitter into their product and competing directly with Twitter. I just don't think it has the following to make it worthy of a long term investment and I'm not a short term investor.
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    Nov 07, 2013 2:22 AM GMT
    you should only buy stocks nobody likes that have a history of ups and downs. buy death, old people, and toiletries.

    madkatz if you want a tech stock.
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    Nov 07, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
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    sean_zuri saidthanks for your input, ebguy. i share some of the same concerns about twtr just being a fad which is why i would be afraid to invest long-term. i don't use twtr and i hardly ever use fb (although i do have an account); however, i do recognize the staying power of fb. fb is more than just a high school/college kid's online social playground, it's also an alternative means of communication for every age demographic, similar to talking on the phone or traditional e-mail. i don't see twtr as a communications requirement like fb. however, i could foresee twtr being bought out by a company like fb... well, maybe not fb, but goog could certainly afford the company. if that happens, a long-term investment would generate a healthy return. perhaps, i'll just watch this one from the sidelines. although, i'll be kicking myself if the price rockets. please find that crystal ball, quickly! icon_confused.gif

    My concern would be more along the lines of someone, like FB, integrating a service such as Twitter into their product and competing directly with Twitter. I just don't think it has the following to make it worthy of a long term investment and I'm not a short term investor.


    well, instagram is fb's attempt at competing with twtr. in addition, goog's failed attempt with goog plus will likely not lead to an additional competing product - it would more likely just purchase twtr (or possibly a rising startup that would compete). however, i do get your point. thanks again for your input.
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    Nov 07, 2013 2:56 AM GMT
    Buy it when the shares dip down to $7.
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    Nov 07, 2013 4:59 PM GMT
    xrichx saidBuy it when the shares dip down to $7.

    It will be interesting to see how much the IPO price fluctuates between IPO and 7 days later. It may be the telling story of the future of the blue bird that lives down the street from me! LOL
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    Nov 07, 2013 6:59 PM GMT
    wish i had enough money to buy in prior to IPO. i would have made double my money this morning. icon_evil.gif
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    Nov 07, 2013 7:01 PM GMT
    xrichx saidBuy it when the shares dip down to $7.


    here's hoping! then goog will come in and save the day.
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    Nov 07, 2013 9:04 PM GMT
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    xrichx saidBuy it when the shares dip down to $7.

    here's hoping! then goog will come in and save the day.

    Or yahoo; didn't they acquire tumblr?
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    Nov 07, 2013 9:15 PM GMT
    I watched the market this morning and was stunned to see how much above the offering price the trading opened at. There are many many better companies and stocks out there than twitter, I would totally stay away from this stock.
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    Nov 07, 2013 9:15 PM GMT
    Apparition saidyou should only buy stocks nobody likes that have a history of ups and downs. buy death, old people, and toiletries.

    madkatz if you want a tech stock.


    STON close to a 10% dividend.
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    Nov 07, 2013 10:29 PM GMT
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    sean_zuri said
    xrichx saidBuy it when the shares dip down to $7.

    here's hoping! then goog will come in and save the day.

    Or yahoo; didn't they acquire tumblr?


    not sure if yahoo could afford it, but i don't really pay much attention to their financials.
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    Nov 07, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
    MisterWhatsIt saidI watched the market this morning and was stunned to see how much above the offering price the trading opened at. There are many many better companies and stocks out there than twitter, I would totally stay away from this stock.


    you're totally right. i don't see this company going too far in the long run; however, in the short-term, you may be able to make a nice return on investment.

    i'm still watching from the sideline. if it drops down low enough, i may pick up a few shares depending on how their fourth quarter revenues/profits? look.
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    Nov 07, 2013 11:23 PM GMT
    Twitter has no profits. It is way over-valued at this time. It may very well succeed as a company, but the question is, will its revenues ever justify the price it sells at? At the moment, Twitter kind of reminds me of the stock market before the dot-com bubble burst, when people bought shares in profit-less companies based on how many "eyeballs" they attracted online.