HIV 'Bug Chasers': what do you think of them?

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    Nov 07, 2013 2:30 AM GMT
    For those who don't know, bug chasers are gay men who want to get infected with HIV on purpose for many reasons; because once they have it they stop using protection, to feel they're part of a community, and some to infect others (they get off on that).

    The ones who are already infected are called "gift givers". The bug chaser community is getting bigger around the world and they make parties to infect/get infected and meet through internet forums, websites and blogs dedicated to it. They share advices on how to to catch 'the bug' and once they get it, they even advice how to regulate their viral load in order to make it potent to easily infect others.

    Did you know about this? I've been reading a lot about that lately, including blogs and forums, and it's fuckin sick, specially the ones trying to spread the disease. What are your thoughts about it?

    Some random links:
    >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKCcr_ayvMo(Bug chasers documental on Youtube)
    >> http://tribes.tribe.net/702e3a49-db60-4d49-b294-cd48c4fd7fc2 (Bugchasers group on Topix)
    >> http://aids.about.com/od/safersexresources/a/barebacking.htm (Article)


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    Nov 07, 2013 2:37 AM GMT
    How revolting, I thought this thread was not about something so gruesome.
    I thought it was more something to do with this :

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    Nov 07, 2013 2:45 AM GMT
    I don't understand why anyone would want to be infected, but it's much easier to understand why some of the infected would want to spread it. Afterall, the stigma would go away if everyone is infected, as it "levels the playing field"
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    Nov 07, 2013 2:59 AM GMT
    Jaggal saidIf they want HIV I think it's a mental disease -- I don't think anyone would offer a grant to study this though, their business, but to spread it? Fucked up assholes.


    It's a sickness. Similar to cutting and extreme anorexia. Unfortunately in that moment of making a stupid decision, you can't reverse the damage that's been done (currently) (1).

    If the person doesn't bother to even treat the HIV once they are infected; I'd go as far to say it's a version of a long drawn out suicide. I once heard there are people that record having sex with individuals and murdering them after. I think it was a synopsis of a documentary, I know I could never watch. I don't want to know what makes somebody do such a horrendous act.

    Sometimes people complain about the mundane, peace, and happiness BUT it sure beats some of the things out there.

    I'm more of a Gilmore Girls, Desperate Housewives, and Dr. Quinn fan:


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    1. I believe there is something you can take within 24hrs that can possibly eradicate the body of HIV. I don't believe the success rate is 100% though. I should be more savvy on these things, but I just try to avoid the risk altogether.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:02 AM GMT
    brodyg saidI don't understand why anyone would want to be infected, but it's much easier to understand why some of the infected would want to spread it. Afterall, the stigma would go away if everyone is infected, as it "levels the playing field"


    I get what you're saying, but in this case two wrongs don't make a right and that's a pretty warped and selfish way to think.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:29 AM GMT
    I actually understand it, as some guy's have so much fear,the can't even bring themselves to date; live in horrible loneliness based on this fear.
    I know the fear, kept me in the closet for sometime,at least till I got education.

    As for gifter's: whole other can of stupid.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:36 AM GMT
    "DarkLight said
    Well, it's like this. We are living in times where a lot of young and sadly older people predominantly gay men don't care about HIV infection or contradicting it for various reasons.

    Examples?

    4. It won't happen to me, I only "top" or give/get oral. I thought receiving oral was only a risk if there was blood in their mouth or open sores?
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:37 AM GMT
    ViciousRumor saidI don't really care. I think bugchasing is almost erotic in how dangerous it is


    You are an idiot! What a stupid comment.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:38 AM GMT
    ViciousRumor saidI don't really care. I think bugchasing is almost erotic in how dangerous it is


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    Yes you are an idiot. At least try not to infect others.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:40 AM GMT
    It's Russian Roulette and younger people are being convinced that all they need are a few pills in the morning and it's no big deal.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:42 AM GMT
    AnOriginal said[quote][cite]DarkLight said[/cite]Well, it's like this. We are living in times where a lot of young and sadly older people predominantly gay men don't care about HIV infection or contradicting it for various reasons.

    Examples?

    4. It won't happen to me, I only "top" or give/get oral. I thought receiving oral was only a risk if there was blood in their mouth or open sores?


    It's harder to catch HIV through oral sex, but yeah, if you have an open wound you might get it. And if you top with no condom, obviously you might get it too. I think the poster meant that some misinformed gay think they have no risk with topping or doing oral.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    ViciousRumor saidI don't really care. I think bugchasing is almost erotic in how dangerous it is


    I'm sure Russian roulette sounds exciting in fantasy, to some people, but how many people would actually play it?

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    Nov 07, 2013 3:50 AM GMT
    maxxtowt saidIt's Russian Roulette I was thinking the same thing after reading ViciousRumor's comment. and younger people are being convinced that all they need are a few pills in the morning and it's no big deal.


    Regardless of any false beliefs about HIV. I wouldn't want a cold or the flu if I could prevent it.
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    Nov 07, 2013 3:53 AM GMT
    David3000 said
    AnOriginal said[quote][cite]DarkLight said[/cite]Well, it's like this. We are living in times where a lot of young and sadly older people predominantly gay men don't care about HIV infection or contradicting it for various reasons.

    Examples?

    4. It won't happen to me, I only "top" or give/get oral. I thought receiving oral was only a risk if there was blood in their mouth or open sores?


    It's harder to catch HIV through oral sex, but yeah, if you have an open wound you might get it. And if you top with no condom, obviously you might get it too. I think the poster meant that some misinformed gay think they have no risk with topping or doing oral.


    Thanks. I know gonorrhea can also be transmitted through oral sex.
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    Nov 07, 2013 4:02 AM GMT
    Jaggal: If they want HIV, their business, but to spread it? F**ked up assholes.

    jockfever: If a person is financially independent i.e., able to pay for all of the foreseeable and even unforeseeable expenses of becoming HIV positive, then it could be just his or her "business."

    If he or she is, or will be, dependent on others, then it's probably not just his or her "business." Does a person who decides to become HIV positive have a right to compel everyone else to pay for that decision?

    The HIV epidemic is having significant, some would say devastating, consequences in some African nations. The less a society is able to cope with each additional infection, the less the decision to become infected is just a personal decision.

    The situation is different in Western nations but the more people who decide to become HIV positive, the higher the likelihood that everyone else is negatively affected in one way or another.

    One way to judge such a behavior is to ask: What if everyone were to decide to become HIV positive?


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    Nov 07, 2013 4:46 AM GMT
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    brodyg saidI don't understand why anyone would want to be infected, but it's much easier to understand why some of the infected would want to spread it. Afterall, the stigma would go away if everyone is infected, as it "levels the playing field"


    I get what you're saying, but in this case two wrongs don't make a right and that's a pretty warped and selfish way to think.


    I'm just explaining why people do evil things. If you don't know their motives it's harder to watch out for them.
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    Nov 07, 2013 5:03 AM GMT
    Lol that video was pretty creepy and down right scary. Sex parties?! Wow...

    "Oh, bug chasing? That's like putting a gun to your head! But I guess I'm a bit hypocritical since I bareback 80% of the time."

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    Nov 07, 2013 5:29 AM GMT
    james565 saidLol that video was pretty creepy and down right scary. Sex parties?! Wow...

    "Oh, bug chasing? That's like putting a gun to your head! But I guess I'm a bit hypocritical since I bareback 80% of the time."

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    You can always stop. And, start to use condoms...EVERY TIME!
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    Nov 07, 2013 8:18 AM GMT
    DarkLight said
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    maxxtowt saidIt's Russian Roulette I was thinking the same thing after reading ViciousRumor's comment. and younger people are being convinced that all they need are a few pills in the morning and it's no big deal.


    Regardless of any false beliefs about HIV. I wouldn't want a cold or the flu if I could prevent it.


    How many men check to see what condition their mouth is in before and or during oral in giving it. I bet you very few if that. It's to the point where HIV as it continues to mutate will become something that will eventually be more easily transmitted through oral sex on both parties then before.

    Then you've got other diseases that literally aid in the transfer of HIV by a drop in the body's defenses. One thing I learned is the cells in the pink orifices of the body that are alerted when an infection is present or damage from penetration is done are the exact same cells that HIV attaches to to enter into the body other than just fluid exchange into the body itself. The fucked up thing, is those same cells "if already infected" enter into the penetrating person's body to infect them. All other cells that don't make it, go back into the original infected person until they are destroyed or dispatched again by immune response.


    This is interesting. I never thought of the possibility of advanced strains of HIV that could be transmitted through means that have been considered "safer". Also lamb skin condoms have pores that are large enough to pass HIV; they're primarily made to reduce pregnancy (heterosexual couples).

    These individuals known as "bug chasers" are in a sense continuing the evolution of deadlier versions of HIV; by consciously deciding to spread HIV, these "bug chasers" are an embarrassment to the gay community. I'm not saying individuals who have HIV should feel guilty -- even if they slipped up; I'm sure they went through periods of extreme fear, denial, and acceptance.

    I read this comment about Russia's new strain of HIV:

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    "Evolution carries on. Sooner or later, nature will find a winning combination that will be REALLY hard to stop. One more reason to stay zipped up. Cheers."


    When he said "stay zipped up" it made me laugh for a second, but it's not a bad idea. Sex isn't always so sexy. I was very unpopular with my ideas for a group that focused on HIV prevention.

    My ideas for some of the HIV prevention posters were: 30 minutes of pleasure isn't worth a lifetime of doctor visits. I was immediately shunned for that one.

    At the time I also said there should be a way to test potential partners for STDs/HIV prior to protected sex. I'd rather the test err on the side of caution. Again my idea was immediately dismissed as just "NAH".

    Unfortunately the group will eventually change. Instead of HIV prevention they are being forced to transition to educating, those with HIV, on care and management of their disease (which is a good thing, to have that resource).

    They said since their HIV prevention campaign has been in effect there hasn't been a decrease in transmission. No offense, but maybe their coddling and not wanting to offend anyone with their ads was the reason their campaigns weren't effective. Of course people suffering from HIV can/may live healthy happy lives and they should relish in the available treatments. BUT for the younger generations, an educated fear isn't a terrible thing. I don't believe HIV is like taking an allergy pill everyday and it isn't something that deserves to be discriminated against either; "bug chasers" are a different story and they need help and not to be idealized.
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    Nov 07, 2013 8:24 AM GMT
    I watched the video a few years ago,and this is as sick and gross u can get,it probably the most horrible thing and gonna give u nightmare afterwards.Sometimes I wonder why str8 ppls bully me with aids joke and this shit come into my mind.

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    Nov 07, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
    ^ You have got to seek professional help.
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    Nov 07, 2013 6:46 PM GMT
    I feel sorry for them. I think people who fetishize an illness have underlying issues of feeling unwanted and they use it to validate themselves. Like someone who marries someone they don't love, just because they're trying to be loved and can't love themselves.
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    Nov 07, 2013 8:42 PM GMT
    Anyone who wants to contract a disease that will never be curable has serious psychological issues.
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    Nov 07, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
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    AnOriginal said"DarkLight said

    Well, it's like this. We are living in times where a lot of young and sadly older people predominantly gay men don't care about HIV infection or contradicting it for various reasons.

    Examples?

    4. It won't happen to me, I only "top" or give/get oral. I thought receiving oral was only a risk if there was blood in their mouth or open sores?


    It's harder to catch HIV through oral sex, but yeah, if you have an open wound you might get it. And if you top with no condom, obviously you might get it too. I think the poster meant that some misinformed gay think they have no risk with topping or doing oral.


    It's not we're trying to give HIV to people who don't want it. THAT would be evil.


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    It's my body I can do whatever I want with it.


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    ViciousRumor saidI don't really care. I think bugchasing is almost erotic in how dangerous it is


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    Yes you are an idiot. At least try not to infect others.





    I've always argued that if it doesn't hurt anyone else or yourself let it be, in regards to gay marriage, religion, and how people decide to conduct their lives. In this case ViciousRumor you are hurting yourself or just seeking attention.