Novedex XT Testosterone booster

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    Dec 03, 2008 1:42 AM GMT
    I always fall for commercials. Anybody familiar w/ this product? I def want to give it a try.
    http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1681730570/bclid1683773422/bctid1684377957
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    Dec 03, 2008 6:02 AM GMT
    I've used it works good after a cycleicon_wink.gif
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    Dec 03, 2008 6:18 AM GMT
    The name is an obvious rip off of a real drug called Nolvadex, one of several trade names for tamoxifen. This is a mixed agonist/antagonist of estrogen. Estrogen is produced from your own natural testosterone by an enzyme, mostly present in peripheral fat, called aromatase. So you have probably heard of aromatase inhibitors in weight lifters. The good news about tamoxifen is that it blocks testosterone effects in certain tissue like the breast (which is why it is used to control certain breast cancers and why it is used by bodybuilders who take testosterone supplements to prevent breast development or gynecomastia). But it works like an estrogen in certain ways, like favorably modifying your lipid profile and encouraging bone density. Tamoxifen can be obtained generically without a prescription through Mexican pharmacies (for example, under the name of Fenobest or tamoxifeno). I have found Medsmex.com to be extremely reliable and conscientious. And I do not own stock in it. A reasonable dose of tamoxifen would be 20 mg per day. DO NOT TAKE MORE. You have probably heard that women on birth control pills having a higher rate of blood clots, esp. if they smoke. This could theoretically happen with high doses of tamoxifen.

    I have been rather timid ordering testosterone supplements on line. I am always afraid the website is a cover for some FDA/FBI black ops organization and that I will get busted and end up in Guantanamo. When I was trying to build more muscle mass, I also took Omifin (one of the trade names for Clomid). This is another anti-estrogen, but with a twist. Your hypothalamus controls your pituitary gland, but actually measures the level of estrogens to gauge how much steroid is in your system. So Clomid blocks these hypothalamic estrogen effects and tricks your pituitary into making more FSH and LH, which are peptides that stimulate your gonads (male and female). So theoretically in men, it can raise your native testosterone levels--without having to take exogenous testosterone supplements. Exogenous testosterone is sensed by the hypothalamus (because of the estrogens that get converted from it), which leads to decreased FSH/LH--which leads to shrunken balls. Clomid is used "legitimately" to stimulate the ovaries of infertile women. But be forewarned, if you are bi, because in theory this could make you a daddy if you are not careful. Clomid is also used clinically to test for testicular failure--if you take 50 to 100 mg daily for 10 days, your plasma testosterone values should double--if not, you have poorly functioning 'nads. Do not take Clomid continuously for long periods of time because it can cause visual side effects--the most common of these is persistence of vision--you get up to pee in the middle of the night, turn on the light and start walking to the bathroom, but the images your eyes sense are slightly time lagged. This is a really neat effect, mainly occurring when your eyes have been closed for a while (so less of a problem during the day)--this is fortunately temporary. Rarer, but more serious is the possibility of shrinkage of the vitreous humor in your eyeballs, creating clefts between it and the retina.

    Oh, and if you are thinking of enhancing your testosterone levels, consider also taking Propecia simultaneously (or the generic finasteride)--this blocks conversion of testosterone into dehydrotestosterone (DHT) which is the form of testosterone that causes your prostate to enlarge, beard growth, and, if you are predisposed, baldness. Finasteride can prevent this. Propecia is 1 mg per day. 5 mg per day is the dose used for shrinking the prostate (to help older men pee but also for treatment of prostate cancer). In theory, the higher doses could also result in smaller ejaculates. It is my understanding that the blocked conversion of testosterone into DHT leads to a slightly higher plasma testosterone levels. Reduction of DHT shouldn't interfere with building muscle mass, as I am pretty sure I read somewhere that muscle reacts to testosterone, but only minimally to DHT.

    Good luck.
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    Dec 03, 2008 8:01 AM GMT
    Alterego did a wonderful job educating folks.

    You're 28, slapaho18. Just go see a doctor and get the real thing!!!!
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    Dec 03, 2008 8:04 AM GMT
    Lol I'm in the military. The only thing our doctors give us just because is Motrin and flu shots. Asking for test boosters... I prob have a better chance of getting narcotics.
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    Dec 03, 2008 10:11 AM GMT
    I've tried a couple of testosterone boosters and unfortunately due to the strict nature over here in Australia they are probably the low end ones.

    But I've been using 17HD for about a year now and find that supplements my workouts rather well but i also found it' a good stacker with AXIS-HT. Again probably not a proper high end booster but I can literally feel the difference when I'm on them and not on them - the mood swings are ridiculous, oh and yeah the whole gonads enlarging experience comes with it!

    I'm currently using 17HD stacked with Anabolic-7 which I was able to bring over from my last trip to the US and so far the experience is different. The Anabolic-7 is supposed to be a daily thing but I've been using it more as a pre-workout supp.

    You do feel a kind of energy boost but I don't think it really does much to help you grow bigger, just more energy.

    To be honest I'm trying to get away from testosterone boosters and go back to a more natural workout. Why? Not sure, it just feels like the right time to be a bit more natural with my development.

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    Dec 03, 2008 11:23 AM GMT
    I can vouch for Xtrem Tren, available from TFsupplements.com. It's their number one seller and there is a lot of testimonial hype on the site about it. I tried it at a dose of 6 caps per day for 5 weeks and it added 20 lbs on me... My training parter said "Good god the meat is just haning off you - I need to try this". Coming off was ROUGH! and you will need some PCT. For that I like Inhibit-E, Post Cycle Support, and Anabolic Xtreme's Advanced PCT. The three products work in different ways to block estrogen receptors, tie up aromatase enzyme etc.

    I'm just finishing a cycle now where I used Xtreme Tren at 5 caps per day, ADBold200 at 3 caps per day and Inhibit-E at 2 caps per day. This stack piled on the meat but didn't impact me negatively sexually, which was nice.

    I don't like 17-HD for 2 reasons: First, this steroid has a methyl group at the #17 carbon, which means it's going to be tough on your liver. Second, it is halogenated at the #17 also. since these supplement companies are not required to meet the safety margins of drug companies I'd be leary about how that haolgen atom is going to be metabolized, and what toxic intermediates might be created along the way. - but that's just me - i"m a chemist not a biochemist.
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    Dec 03, 2008 1:30 PM GMT
    Wow a couple of these guys just took you to school for free, great info guys!
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    Dec 03, 2008 5:04 PM GMT
    First off let me say if you are interested in this product because you have just come off a cycle, there are far better things, and you definitely need something more potent. If you are interested in using this product simply to boost testosterone levels I would strongly caution you before you use this.

    From both personal experience and the experience of several people I know using something like this can result in a long term mess. For one thing you should be prepared for an outbreak of acne that will rival any 13 year old. Secondly, you must taper up and taper down to prevent wicked estrogen rebounds. If you don't, or if your estrogen rebounds any ways this will activate the negative feedback loop that AlterEgo refers to above. The hypothalamus regulates the amount of testosterone in your body but also the amount of estrogen since estrogen is produced from testosterone in the male body. If the amount of estrogen in your system spikes the hypothalamus will tell the pituitary gland to stop secreting LH which will result in your testicles cutting off production of testosterone. Elevated estrogen levels can also cause a lot of other problems as well.

    In general, these supplements tend to do more harm then good. I have yet to ever hear of anyone that got amazing gains from an OTC testosterone booster. What you do have the chance of getting is 1.) a much lighter wallet from an outrageously overpriced supplement. 2.) Hormone fluctations and irregularities that may take several months to correct. 3.) An awesomely fearful case of acne. 4.) emotional mood swings from anger to depression 5.) bizzare flucuations in your sex drive from barely containable to none at all. 6.) a doctor who isn't too sympathetic when you have fucked yourself up beyond their ability to figure out just what you've done.

    Personally, I would do all the research that you can on naturally raising testosterone by way of proper nutrition, proper training and proper vitamin and mineral supplementation. Honestly, a diet and training program that are poorly conceived and executed can cause testosterone levels to fall by 90% easily. While a proper diet, proper training and nutritional supplementation can maximize your natural testosterone production and raise your current levels far more then these supplemental nightmares. While proper nutrition for raising testosterone levels is beyond the scope of this post, you must have ample amounts of healthy fats in your diet, ample protein and moderate complex carbohydrates, with an absolute minimum of processed carbs.

    Hope this helps.
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    Dec 03, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    DHT - About the remarks about blocking DHT above, I absolutely positively would not block DHT unless there is a good reason for doing so, such as hair loss. DHT is the most powerful male hormone in the body, three times stronger the testosterone overall and about 10 times more androgenic. Males that have a genetic defect in the 5 alpha reductase enzyme are born phenotypically female, because without DHT they are unable to develop or maintain secondary male sexual characteristics or develop male genitalia. DHT is necessary in the body to mitigate the effects of estrogen and also in building and maintaining muscle mass, it is also absolutely necessary for maintaining your sex drive. DHT also has numerous physiological functions that we do not yet fully understand. For instance we know there are DHT receptors in the brain and central nervous system, but exactly what role they play in that system is unknown. In general playing with this hormone without an overwhelming reason to do so is a terrible decision.
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    Dec 03, 2008 9:58 PM GMT
    Alterego, actually, the US Army has studied AAS for over 40 years, and were on the same page with all government agencies, recommending that AAS NOT BE CONTROLLED. In 40 years of study, the Army had nothing bad to say about AAS.

    Congress chose to ignore that advice.

    Now the endocrinologists have asked Congress to not control AAS because of the many advantages of HRT (Human Replacement Therapy).
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    Dec 04, 2008 3:28 AM GMT
    YngHungSFSD saidFirst off let me say if you are interested in this product because you have just come off a cycle, there are far better things, and you definitely need something more potent. If you are interested in using this product simply to boost testosterone levels I would strongly caution you before you use this.

    From both personal experience and the experience of several people I know using something like this can result in a long term mess. For one thing you should be prepared for an outbreak of acne that will rival any 13 year old. Secondly, you must taper up and taper down to prevent wicked estrogen rebounds. If you don't, or if your estrogen rebounds any ways this will activate the negative feedback loop that AlterEgo refers to above. The hypothalamus regulates the amount of testosterone in your body but also the amount of estrogen since estrogen is produced from testosterone in the male body. If the amount of estrogen in your system spikes the hypothalamus will tell the pituitary gland to stop secreting LH which will result in your testicles cutting off production of testosterone. Elevated estrogen levels can also cause a lot of other problems as well.

    In general, these supplements tend to do more harm then good. I have yet to ever hear of anyone that got amazing gains from an OTC testosterone booster. What you do have the chance of getting is 1.) a much lighter wallet from an outrageously overpriced supplement. 2.) Hormone fluctations and irregularities that may take several months to correct. 3.) An awesomely fearful case of acne. 4.) emotional mood swings from anger to depression 5.) bizzare flucuations in your sex drive from barely containable to none at all. 6.) a doctor who isn't too sympathetic when you have fucked yourself up beyond their ability to figure out just what you've done.

    Personally, I would do all the research that you can on naturally raising testosterone by way of proper nutrition, proper training and proper vitamin and mineral supplementation. Honestly, a diet and training program that are poorly conceived and executed can cause testosterone levels to fall by 90% easily. While a proper diet, proper training and nutritional supplementation can maximize your natural testosterone production and raise your current levels far more then these supplemental nightmares. While proper nutrition for raising testosterone levels is beyond the scope of this post, you must have ample amounts of healthy fats in your diet, ample protein and moderate complex carbohydrates, with an absolute minimum of processed carbs.

    Hope this helps.


    Gald you said it...perfect job.
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    Dec 05, 2008 3:12 AM GMT
    In my 33 years in the gym, I've only seen just three or four people break out a bit, when they stopped abruptly. Perhaps those 3 decades don't have credence, but, I'd like to think otherwise.

    The parts about exercise LOWERING free test are quite right.

    At 28, it's best to get on HRT; take the real thing; and stay on, eliminating peaks and valleys in endocrine valleys. None of the crap, and none of the "it might work", or the mis-information put forth by folks who have no experience in the trenches. Time and time again, I've witnessed postive transformations in folks.

    HRT will be a lot cheaper. It'll work. It'll have a wide range of positive effects that will enhance your health and lifestyle as you grow older.

    Remember, many times, the right solution is the obivous one.
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    Dec 05, 2008 3:55 PM GMT
    chuckystud3 said

    Now the endocrinologists have asked Congress to not control AAS because of the many advantages of HRT (Human Replacement Therapy).


    I can think of some humans I would like to replace (the word should be hormone of course)...

    This thread made me finally decide to try a bottle of Novedex, but at much lower doses than what the label recommends (e.g. one capsule on the days I lift heavy, nothing more). I already use ErgoPharm's 6 oxo.
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    Dec 13, 2008 1:40 AM GMT
    Curiosity got the better of me and I started using this stuff. The biggest difference I've noticed so far is that it seems to have made my skin really oily. Wierd. Then again, maybe it is a side effect of increased testosterone. Haven't yet noticed increased performance at the gym or increased sex drive like with tribulus products, but I'll let y'all know if this seems worth it by the time I'm done with the bottle.
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    Jan 19, 2009 10:49 AM GMT
    After using the Novedex for a month, I still didn't see any benefits. It might work for some but not for me.
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    Jun 22, 2009 4:55 PM GMT
    Hi Guys, I am looking for a replacement for 6-OXO, from Ergo. I got on the stuff, works GREAT, and now they have taking off the market. I have tried the 6-OXO Extreme; but, it just doesn't have the same effect. I must admit, I read all the stuff about this product and that product, ask the guys at the supplement stores and when it comes down to buying a product, I just can't figure out if they are SELLING me the most EXPENSIVE product or the BEST product. HELP!? What do you guys recommend for a Testosterone Booster?

    Thanks
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    Jan 02, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
    milstud69 saidHi Guys, I am looking for a replacement for 6-OXO, from Ergo. I got on the stuff, works GREAT, and now they have taking off the market. I have tried the 6-OXO Extreme; but, it just doesn't have the same effect. I must admit, I read all the stuff about this product and that product, ask the guys at the supplement stores and when it comes down to buying a product, I just can't figure out if they are SELLING me the most EXPENSIVE product or the BEST product. HELP!? What do you guys recommend for a Testosterone Booster?

    Thanks


    If you haven't tried a tribulus product, it might be worth a shot. I've noticed good results when using it in the past. As far as brands, Biotest's original blue Tribex (not the Tribex gold) seemed to work the best fo me.