President Obama Apologizes That People Believed His Lies

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    Nov 08, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    From an NBC News interview yesterday.

    "I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me," he told NBC News in an exclusive interview at the White House.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/07/21352724-exclusive-obama-personally-apologizes-for-americans-losing-health-coverage?lite
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    Nov 08, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
    Have Americans forgotten that the American dream is not a handout? Because otherwise they would not of fallen for Obama's lies X2.

    Oh I forgot he evolved and suddenly accepted marriage equality, or gay marriage; so he said. Then many American become blind to the truth and only wanted to hear his lies; on gay marriage and healthcare.

    Now there are those here, that can now say: We tried to tell you so, but you believing yourselves to be so smart became deaf to the truth, all because a Polly was to say what you wanted to hear. We have seen such things come to pass, in our past too; history repeating it's self...
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    Nov 08, 2013 7:54 PM GMT
    But note that he didn't apologize for lying.
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    Nov 08, 2013 9:18 PM GMT
    PrickleyHeat saidBut note that he didn't apologize for lying.


    No he is not going to take any responsibility; at all. Rather say sorry you silly Democrats misunderstood me.icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif
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    Nov 08, 2013 9:34 PM GMT
    He should just apologize for ever negotiating single payer away when the republicans seemed to be decent back in 2009, that way we would all understand, since that time we have all come to understand what feckless and unhinged those insane tea baggers really are. Americans would forgive the president for trying to paint Obamacare as a decent attempt at finding insurance for Americans would could not find affordable insurance since right wing republicans have screwed the system for decades.
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    Nov 08, 2013 9:38 PM GMT
    ^
    If only single payer would have had enough support to win. Congress did try but could not get enough support for it. They got through what they were able to get through. Many of the things were actually ideas from Republicans.

    I'm hoping that California will have a single payer system and Vermont is working on it as well thanks to Bernie Sanders.
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    Nov 08, 2013 9:43 PM GMT
    metta8 said^
    If only single payer would have had enough support to win. Congress did try but could not get enough support for it. They got through what they were able to get through. Many of the things were actually ideas from Republicans.

    I'm hoping that California will have a single payer system and Vermont is working on it as well.


    Any comment on the non-apology apology? Or do you believe that he didn't lie when he said that "If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance. Period. Guaranteed. Nobody is going to take that away from you."

  • metta

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    Nov 08, 2013 10:02 PM GMT
    According to the statistics that I have read, it is only 3% that will be paying more. I happen to be one of the 3%. For most people, they will benefit from changing.

    I'm not sure what the government could have done to stop insurance companies from canceling their old plans. He was wrong to say that people could keep their policies. The government does not have control of that. Every health insurance contract I have seen has included a right to cancellation by the insurance company.
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    Nov 08, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
    metta8 saidAccording to the statistics that I have read, it is only 3% that will be paying more. I happen to be one of the 3%. For most people, they will benefit from changing.

    I'm not sure what the government could have done to stop insurance companies from canceling their old plans. He was wrong to say that people could keep their policies. The government does not have control of that. Every health insurance contract I have seen has included a right to cancellation by the insurance company.


    I saw the interview last night. What a dodge job that was.

    Was he just "wrong" as in "incorrect" to say that people could keep their policies, or did he know that the law would require that insurance companies change their plans to make them comply with the law and that millions of people would lose their plans but he kept repeating that if they liked their plan they could keep it, in other words lying about it?

    Also would be interested to see the source of your 3% statistic.
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    Nov 08, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    Report: White House Considering 'Keep Your Health Plan' Fix

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-white-house-considering-keep-your-health-plan-fix
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    Nov 09, 2013 12:18 AM GMT
    metta8 saidReport: White House Considering 'Keep Your Health Plan' Fix

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-white-house-considering-keep-your-health-plan-fix


    Until after the 2014 elections. icon_wink.gif

    Do you have any thoughts on the questions I posed to you above?
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    Nov 09, 2013 12:23 AM GMT
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    I don't know. But I doubt that he was trying to fool people as people are insinuating.
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    Nov 09, 2013 12:34 AM GMT
    metta8 said^
    I don't know. But I doubt that he was trying to fool people as people are insinuating.

    "Insinuating" is rather an understatement. Try bald-faced lies. And a number of these "people" are in fact the same person, in the guise of multiple socks that endorse each other's obsessive anti-Obama posts.
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    Nov 09, 2013 12:35 AM GMT
    metta8 said^
    I don't know. But I doubt that he was trying to fool people as people are insinuating.


    Here's some facts:

    The President stated hundreds of times, "If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance."

    In 2010, the President knew that the ACA contained 2 elements that would cause this not to be the case:

    a) The ACA would impose new requirements on the policies offered by insurance companies

    b) The new requirements would force insurance companies to change their plans in order to comply with the new ACA regulations, thus invalidating the grandfathered status of these plans.

    Despite the above knowledge, the President continued to say that "If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance."

    I'm not insinuating anything, I'm stating, the President lied. Do you not see that? Honestly?

    And where did you get that 3% number you wrote about earlier?
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    Nov 09, 2013 1:00 AM GMT
    To anyone who has trouble finding a pair of socks, look no further.
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    Nov 09, 2013 1:52 AM GMT
    Not only did Obama know, everyone else who criticized the law knew.

    I think what was expected is that the inertia of "change" would trample over the cries of people who are uninsured.

    Point is if a plan went up in price slightly it would be canceled. If it added or subtracted coverage which happens ALL THE TIME in insurance it is a illegal plan under the ACA.

    The 3% number is some number written on Rachel Maddows bathroom wall.

    Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women (Forbes)

    Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of data released by the Department of Health and Human Services, insurance rates for younger men will increase by an average of 97 to 99 percent, while they will increase by an average of 55 to 62 percent for younger women.
    Worst of all states, North Carolina will see individual market rates triple for women and quadruple for men.


    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/health/NATL-ACA-328-Average-Monthly-Health-Insurance-Cost-Under-the-Affordable-Care-Act--225324422.html


    What is worse is that it is VERY likely more people will be uninsured on Jan 1 than in anytime in history.

    To blame republicans for this scenario is ludicrous. They tried to stop this law in every way they could. Including passing it by a budgetary trick.



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    Nov 09, 2013 2:04 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    metta8 said^
    I don't know. But I doubt that he was trying to fool people as people are insinuating.

    "Insinuating" is rather an understatement. Try bald-faced lies. And a number of these "people" are in fact the same person, in the guise of multiple socks that endorse each other's obsessive anti-Obama posts.


    This!

    mistakes = lies?

    Well, darn the man for trying to see that we all have affordable health care. What a backward idea.

    It will sort out. it would sort out faster if the GOP would roll up their sleeves and help in stead of looking for the latest scandal or wedge issue. But the, and the TB's here do not believe in colaborative government.
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    Nov 09, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    tazzari said
    ART_DECO said
    metta8 said^
    I don't know. But I doubt that he was trying to fool people as people are insinuating.

    "Insinuating" is rather an understatement. Try bald-faced lies. And a number of these "people" are in fact the same person, in the guise of multiple socks that endorse each other's obsessive anti-Obama posts.


    This!

    mistakes = lies?

    Well, darn the man for trying to see that we all have affordable health care. What a backward idea.

    It will sort out. it would sort out faster if the GOP would roll up their sleeves and help in stead of looking for the latest scandal or wedge issue. But the, and the TB's here do not believe in colaborative government.


    That's easy for you to say. No so much for me, since I'm one of the people who's insurance was just canceled and I'm being forced to buy insurance at more than twice what I was paying before, with a deductible at four times hat it was before and to add insult to injury I have to pay for things like mental health coverage. The only people who need the new mental health coverage are the liberals who keep backing up this train wreck!

    "It will sort out" ? Maybe you could suggest what those of us with special needs children should do while it sorts out?


    http://mycancellation.com/
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    Nov 09, 2013 2:42 AM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidTo anyone who has trouble finding a pair of socks, look no further.

    LOL
    It's entertaining and surreal when he has them talk to each other. For a while they were having a three-way conversation.

    Do you suppose these are actually separate personalities, like Sybil?

    At least Sybil showed some variety. SB has six personalities and they're all angry tea baggers.
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    Nov 09, 2013 2:43 AM GMT
    shybuffguy said
    tazzari said
    ART_DECO said
    metta8 said^
    I don't know. But I doubt that he was trying to fool people as people are insinuating.

    "Insinuating" is rather an understatement. Try bald-faced lies. And a number of these "people" are in fact the same person, in the guise of multiple socks that endorse each other's obsessive anti-Obama posts.


    This!

    mistakes = lies?

    Well, darn the man for trying to see that we all have affordable health care. What a backward idea.

    It will sort out. it would sort out faster if the GOP would roll up their sleeves and help in stead of looking for the latest scandal or wedge issue. But the, and the TB's here do not believe in colaborative government.


    That's easy for you to say. No so much for me, since I'm one of the people who's insurance was just canceled and I'm being forced to buy insurance at more than twice what I was paying before, with a deductible at four times hat it was before and to add insult to injury I have to pay for things like mental health coverage. The only people who need the new mental health coverage are the liberals who keep backing up this train wreck!

    "It will sort out" ? Maybe you could suggest what those of us with special needs children should do while it sorts out?


    http://mycancellation.com/

    I can just picture you pacing your 5000 square foot ranch in disgust.icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 09, 2013 3:43 AM GMT
    tazzari said
    ART_DECO said
    metta8 said^
    I don't know. But I doubt that he was trying to fool people as people are insinuating.

    "Insinuating" is rather an understatement. Try bald-faced lies. And a number of these "people" are in fact the same person, in the guise of multiple socks that endorse each other's obsessive anti-Obama posts.


    This!

    mistakes = lies?

    Well, darn the man for trying to see that we all have affordable health care. What a backward idea.

    It will sort out. it would sort out faster if the GOP would roll up their sleeves and help in stead of looking for the latest scandal or wedge issue. But the, and the TB's here do not believe in colaborative government.


    Yes well the law was passed on a party line vote. You would have everyone suspend logic and the history of governance of this country to contend that if a minority party doesn't vote for a plan they are somehow responsible for the plans failure .

    Tort reform, insurance across state lines and physician involvement were EXCLUDED early on. If you like I can cite each Senate and House markup process.

    In some demented universe you and others believe that the congress is present to rubber stamp a Presidents hope and dream. If Obama wanted a Bipartisan deal he could have received it. Just like any other major piece of legislation in the last 100 years. However he made NO attempt to do so, and actually inflamed his opposition by several public comments about "elections" and "consequences" .

    The law has been a colossal waste of time and money. Money spent in the health industry and government that easily goes in to the many billions of dollars. That if we simply gave it to people could easily buy insurance. But the law is a veiled attempt to give a slim portion of the population something while taking it away from others.
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    Nov 09, 2013 4:13 AM GMT
    metta8 saidReport: White House Considering 'Keep Your Health Plan' Fix

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-white-house-considering-keep-your-health-plan-fix


    How do you relax the mandate and not have the insurance companies go out of business? The whole law is predicated on the fact that everyone MUST sign up, otherwise there isn't enough money from the healthy people coming in for the insurance company to be able to pay the claims of those who are heavy users of health care.

    You'll see the premiums and deductibles skyrocket after the first year when not enough people have signed up for the pool.

    Ironically, we are headed to having more people uninsured than ever before because of Obamacare.

    Did you see this little morsel today? Not even the uninsured plan to sign up for Obamacare!



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    Nov 09, 2013 4:17 AM GMT
    tazzari said

    Well, darn the man for trying to see that we all have affordable health care. What a backward idea.


    Yep, it is backward, you're right. The government shouldn't be taking choice and decisions about each citizen's healthcare away from the individuals.
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    Nov 09, 2013 5:48 AM GMT
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    Nov 09, 2013 8:10 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    metta8 said^
    I don't know. But I doubt that he was trying to fool people as people are insinuating.

    "Insinuating" is rather an understatement. Try bald-faced lies. And a number of these "people" are in fact the same person, in the guise of multiple socks that endorse each other's obsessive anti-Obama posts.


    Seems Obama knows all about bald faced lies, and mate that coming from you would also be pot calling kettle blackicon_rolleyes.gificon_twisted.gif