Body builders with beer bellies

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    Sep 17, 2007 6:24 PM GMT
    At the gym where I work out there are a number of Esst European bodybuilders who have massive arms, shoulders and thighs but also have big beer bellies. One guy stuggles to put on his weight lifting belt cos his tummy is so large.

    My question: how does this happen? Is it too much food, too many beers or is it a side effect of steroid use?
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    Sep 17, 2007 6:28 PM GMT
    its too many protein shakes :-) and loosing touch with the basics :-)
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    Sep 17, 2007 6:38 PM GMT
    Can too much protein make you fat? i didn't know that. altho i spose a lot of these shakes have a lot of sugar in them.
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    Sep 17, 2007 6:48 PM GMT
    ??? I do hope you aint being serious
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    Sep 17, 2007 7:26 PM GMT
    They sound like power lifters, not body builders.
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    Sep 17, 2007 7:36 PM GMT
    they sound like they look like half the fat muscled guys at my gym!
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    Sep 17, 2007 7:53 PM GMT
    redheadguy asked: "...Can too much protein make you fat? i didn't know that. altho i spose a lot of these shakes have a lot of sugar in them...."

    Too many calories in vs calories expended make you fat. I understand that some people like that "look" but I never have. I think the lean and defined look with muscle development is both the best healthwise and hotness-wise. :-)

    I understand that some of these guys can be very strong. But it takes much more work and discipline to be strong, and also be reasonably lean and defined.

    I idolize the latter.
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    Sep 17, 2007 8:13 PM GMT
    One of my best friends is a big guy. Since leaving the army, he doesn't work out at all except for country-living chores, and he's grown so obese that everyone worries about him. Partly it's atrocious eating habits, and party he's just genetically big.

    But he is naturally muscular. He was helping me build a foundation one day, and I was showing him how the rebar bender worked - the best way to brace yourself for leverage, etc. He just gave me a funny look, picked up a rebar and bent it.
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    Sep 17, 2007 8:16 PM GMT
    Wish I had that strenght.
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    Sep 17, 2007 8:42 PM GMT
    Redhead - there are a number of reasons for the big bellies....

    1) just plain ol' too much food.

    2) beer - hops contain a form of estrogen which increases abdominal fat, among other things.

    3) growth hormone usage - in excessive amounts it can cause organ growth, causing the abdomen to distend.

    4) excessive administration of testosterone - some of which may convert to estrogen (see #2).

    I suggest you don't ask them the probable cause. ;)

    J.
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    Sep 17, 2007 9:45 PM GMT
    I know that HIV meds can cause what's called hepatomegaly which basically means an overgrowth of the liver which can cause a distended stomach
    ...I'm not sure that steroids does this tho

    but what abs do for us is that they hold back our internal organs - beer bellies are a sign of weak ab muscles
    if you spend most of your time wearing a weight belt and yelling at the top of your lungs while cleaning and jerking 300 lbs...you're gonna have a beer gut
    a little more time on the abs......might help
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    Sep 18, 2007 1:58 AM GMT
    I don't think that there's any clinical or animal evidence that beer consumption causes actual measurable estrogenic effects.

    By the time that you consumed enough to cause activity, I'd bet that the estrogenic effect would be so far outweighed by the effects of the carbs that you'd never be able to measure it. In any case, I'm not rushing to retire my stein.
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    Sep 18, 2007 2:00 AM GMT
    They got beer bellies and decided to construct around them instead of eliminating them?
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    Sep 18, 2007 7:45 PM GMT
    I think the funny one is where they are muscular and not overtly fat but they still look like beer bellies as they always fail to concentrate on their core when doing other lifting. They end up looking like pot bellied pigs
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    Sep 18, 2007 8:04 PM GMT
    Mindgarden,

    I suggest you Google "Brewer's Droop".

    Joey
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    Sep 18, 2007 8:18 PM GMT
    Mindgarden:
    Exerpt from:
    The pharmacognosy of Humulus lupulus L. (hops) with an emphasis on estrogenic properties
    L. R. Chadwick, G. F. Pauli, and N. R. Farnsworth
    UIC/NIH Center for Botanical Dietary Supplements Research, College of Pharmacy, University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 60612, USA.

    "Hops have been shown to contain one of the most potent in vitro estrogenic substance known from the plant kingdom, (±)-8-prenylnaringenin (Kitaoka et al., 1998; Milligan et al., 1999). They are mentioned repeatedly in popular texts to have sedative-like activity (Blumenthal, 2000; Fluckiger and Hanbury, 1879; Gathercoal and Wirth, 1936; Schulz et al., 2001; Youngken, 1950). Thus, given the history of long-term and present use in humans with no significant adverse effects, an initial hypothesis is that hops are safe."

    Phytomedicine. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2007 April 17.
    Published in final edited form as:
    Phytomedicine. 2006 January; 13(1-2): 119–131.
    Published online 2005 July 1. doi: 10.1016/j.phymed.2004.07.006.

    While the author states that for various reasons good clinical trials have not been done to investigate the estrogenic effect of hops on humans, when you look at the overall body of work on hops and the large body of anecdotal evidence going back several hundred years, there is more than reasonable suspicion that substances from hops are indeed estrogenic in the body.

    Joey
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    Sep 18, 2007 8:38 PM GMT
    I'd heard that some exercises build out that sorta of barrel bellied look...no?
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    Sep 18, 2007 9:05 PM GMT
    Bigjoey as Im not a drinker or much of one I dont read too much up about oestrogen impact of beer, but isnt the greater implication that Oestrogen reduces Testosterone production and has a two day effect on your output?
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    Sep 18, 2007 9:16 PM GMT
    "Brewer's Droop" is a folklore term for describing alcohol-induced impotence. It doesn't have anything to do with estrogens.

    Yes, there are dozens and dozens of papers about hormonal properties of a couple of compounds that can be extracted and concentrated from hops. Mostly it's because there is some thought that they might be cheap medications for use in treating breast cancer.
    However, that's a long way from saying that the tiny amount in beer has any particular effect. In fact, the only legitimate reference that I've seen even mention beer, states that it's insignificant. There is some anecdotal information about women working in hop fields (with huge exposure) having menstrual irregularities, but nothing conclusive.
    In fact, many many plants are known to produce estrogenic compounds, including soy, for example. It would make just as much sense to attribute those huge bellies to eating tofu. Unless your diet is restricted to highly purified starches, lipids, and proteins (soylent blue, anyone?) you're going to be exposed to thousands of these things, most of which remain unknown. It's really not worth worrying about.

    We are learning about a lot of these compounds now, not because of effects from eating foodstuffs, but because there has just been a couple of decades of intense industrial drug-discovery efforts. Companies are extracting compounds from all kinds of plants and other organisms and running them through amazing robotic screening processes to find any kind of bioactive properties. Apparently it's not paying off as big as was hoped. I've read that it's becoming difficult to attract capitol to start up one of these screens.
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    Sep 18, 2007 10:23 PM GMT
    I'm going to bow out on this one, bfg.... I have a feeling that MG is standing by with a rebuttal that drinking the right lager will make your dick grow 2"....
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    Sep 18, 2007 10:46 PM GMT
    maybe its just not the right diet and not concentrating on their ab work
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    Sep 19, 2007 11:19 AM GMT
    Just think of it like this...beer=bread.
    They are not doing any cardo workouts ...I can tell you that.
    Someone said they are power lifters...he is most likely right.
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    Sep 19, 2007 1:00 PM GMT
    what does bread have to do with this? Bread wont give you man boobs or anything at all!
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    Sep 19, 2007 3:18 PM GMT
    BFG, If you are suggesting beer is not loaded full of carbs...you have lost your mind. Do try to stay on the subject, your injection of imaginary quotes from me just made you look like imbecile. FU.
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    Sep 19, 2007 4:40 PM GMT
    errrr not with your thought process there even if you wanna start insulting me


    the disucssion was about their protruding stomachs it moved onto how beer affects oestrogen levels and we were talking brewers droop and manboobs

    You put beer=bread

    I wanted to know why you thought bread would create the following, simple as that really I havent misqouted you at all so ease off tiger and , it was a simple question as to what you were talking about and in what context

    Some people! :-P