Bullying in football The NFL and in general Do you think it is it a problem and if so what should we do about it? Or Should guys Just suck it up and keep their mouths closed cause its part of the game?

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    Nov 13, 2013 7:00 PM GMT
    My opinion I remeber playing Football in High school and we had older players kinda pick on younger players but no one really said anything cause thats just what it was your a tough male football player suck it up We have Grown men picking on rookie players in the NFL.Theres been a stimga about sports and hazing which really didnt happen when I played.But its the dark true it does happen.But now days bullying, hazing all of that is not tolerated but only if it is (shown)with social media etc.I dont condone bullying, hazing of any kind.But I also think that as a team you want to push each other to get better theres friendly competion, talking smack, get pumped up get angry motivated and then there is certain things like death threats, physical harm etc that is crossing the line. Plenty of coaches get in trouble for cussing, being too hard on players, harsh punishments, favoritisum etc. I think with the whole NFL investigation of the Miami Dolphins Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito that will bring to light alot of things that people dont want to hear about cause its breaking the bro code. Its also bringing out the secret world of the locker room I think were in this day and age that we just accept all of that as part of the game. I appalled Jonathan Martin for speaking out but unfornatly I believe it will hurt his NFL career.Do we need to change The NFL and sports in general or do we accept this is a isolated event and move on.
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    Nov 14, 2013 12:52 AM GMT
    Bullying in regards to children and kids shouldn't be tolerated, at all. But as a grown man, especially in the NFL where the big dogs are, I don't think you can be bullied. By that I mean, at that point it's a man not standing for himself.
    The NFL is a rough sport, mentally and physically. Players know what they are getting into before they walk into those doors. These guy will only push as far as you let them. So for Martin to claim he's being bullied... I think he's a weak minded individual that didn't draw a line of what can and can't be crossed.

    I am basing this off what I know so far. Martin still hasn't made any comments and if it just comes down to somebody talking to him in an aggressive manner, well he just has to man up in that situation.

    And it's not about a guy keeping his mouth shut and just taking it.. these guys only go as far as you let them so it's more about a guy not standing up for himself.

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    Nov 14, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    I have to agree I think he could have gone to the coaches, general manager, or Owner with these complaints that he felt threatend and now its exploded all over social media and now the NFL is doing a internal investigation I believe that Martin could have rallied around his team if he was too afraid to stand up for himself.Your right these are grown men who get paid millions of dollars they should know what there getting into it isnt high school anymore this is a job.so Im not saying I feel sorry for him but again theres a line that needs to be drawn in the sand.Do you think coaches encourage these behaviors??
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    Nov 14, 2013 7:44 AM GMT
    I believe some coaches do encourage those behaviors. I watched the Incognito interview and the one thing he never answered that so many people were asking was if the coaches told him to toughen up Martin. Why didn't he answer this with a simple yes or no? Or is that a question reserved for the NFL investigators?

    I would just like the investigation to come to a conclusion because I'm tired of seeing this controversy as the headliner for every online sports page.
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    Nov 14, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    I think the coaches DID encourage the behavior. On the grounds that they probably felt Martin needed to toughen up a bit.. and now you see why. If it's just a verbal exchange between a few teammates it's hard for me to side with Martin. Everybody is not going to be nice to you.

    Jonathan Martin was a good offensive lineman in college who blocked for Andrew Luck, projected to go first round. http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012OT.php Yet a lot of teams passed up on him and he slipped to the second round. You have to wonder why. I think in reality his mental toughness was always in question.

    This might sound harsh, but I don't think it's a case of somebody being bullied, I think its a case of somebody being... well, a bitch.
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    Nov 14, 2013 3:18 PM GMT
    Toughening up is fine, my line coaches in college were very adamant that we were all tough, but the line is drawn when comes to what Incognito said. Those were personal attacks that went beyond football and Martin playing like a pussy. This should have never happened to this extent.

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    Nov 14, 2013 3:19 PM GMT
    ...And I bet Jonathan Martin will have a hard time finding his way onto another team
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    Nov 14, 2013 6:04 PM GMT
    I think all this discussion about "toughening up" is bullshit. Practice hard, play hard. That can be done without this thug mentality. If you look at the criminal record of a BIG percentage of NFL players (and big-time college teams, too), you'll see a pattern of disrespect for others that somehow we are now expected to see it as necessary to play the game of football well. Bullshit. If the game requires that you lower your ethical standards to the point of almost sub-human, the game needs to change. Allowing it to continue reduces us to the cheering mentality of the Romans and gladiators. Kill, Kill!!
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    Nov 14, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    dude, i agree with you on that one. i feel like johnathan martin is a wuss. dude, you are 300 something pounds, you play in the nfl and you are a grown ass man. i am sorry but i find it hard to feel sorry for someone that age and that damn size. he definitely will not find another job in the nfl
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    Nov 14, 2013 6:41 PM GMT
    Garrett_S saidToughening up is fine, my line coaches in college were very adamant that we were all tough, but the line is drawn when comes to what Incognito said. Those were personal attacks that went beyond football and Martin playing like a pussy. This should have never happened to this extent.



    I think if it came down to a racial issue I would agree with you, Incognito shouldn't have said that. But the media has made this an issue of bullying, which I don't think it is. You're a grown man and in life you have to learn to stand up for yourself. One thing is clear... Jonathan Martin isn't mentally tough enough to play in the NFL.
    Why do you think no other team took a chance on him?
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    Nov 14, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
    I've heard a few pundits point out that players in the NFL fall under Federal employment protections with regards to safe working environments, pay negotiations, union representation, etc. They make this claim to argue "Bullying in the workplace is never OK". Yet that superficial comparison fails to take into account the nature of the profession and the culture of the sport. These guys get paid to literally beat the crap out of each other for millions of dollars, something not found in any profession outside of other contact sports. NFL athletes must necessarily possess a higher degree of mental fortitude than your average American worker, certainly enough to withstand some name-calling and a certain level of intimidation from "co-workers". To say we have to guard players' sensibilities like we would a secretary's or a professor's is absurd.
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    Nov 14, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidI think all this discussion about "toughening up" is bullshit. Practice hard, play hard. That can be done without this thug mentality. If you look at the criminal record of a BIG percentage of NFL players (and big-time college teams, too), you'll see a pattern of disrespect for others that somehow we are now expected to see it as necessary to play the game of football well. Bullshit. If the game requires that you lower your ethical standards to the point of almost sub-human, the game needs to change. Allowing it to continue reduces us to the cheering mentality of the Romans and gladiators. Kill, Kill!!


    "thug mentality" ...Do you even watch football bro? lol. You make a lot of claims. Show some facts about this 'BIG percentage' of players with criminal records. And that's besides the point.
    Quite frankly, sports like boxing, UFC, football, actually ARE like evolved forms of the Roman Gladiators, warriors. And guess what? Most players take pride in being that, being the best at what they do and they enjoy the high level of competition. Its 46 spots on a football team and 32 teams. If you don't want to play, you don't have to. It's meant for the tough. That's why we watch it, and it's the highest grossing sport that we have in this country. #facts

    And i totally agree with panther
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    Nov 14, 2013 7:51 PM GMT
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    Destinharbor saidI think all this discussion about "toughening up" is bullshit. Practice hard, play hard. That can be done without this thug mentality. If you look at the criminal record of a BIG percentage of NFL players (and big-time college teams, too), you'll see a pattern of disrespect for others that somehow we are now expected to see it as necessary to play the game of football well. Bullshit. If the game requires that you lower your ethical standards to the point of almost sub-human, the game needs to change. Allowing it to continue reduces us to the cheering mentality of the Romans and gladiators. Kill, Kill!!


    "thug mentality" ...Do you even watch football bro? lol. You make a lot of claims. Show some facts about this 'BIG percentage' of players with criminal records. And that's besides the point.
    Quite frankly, sports like boxing, UFC, football, actually ARE like evolved forms of the Roman Gladiators, warriors. And guess what? Most players take pride in being that, being the best at what they do and they enjoy the high level of competition. Its 46 spots on a football team and 32 teams. If you don't want to play, you don't have to. It's meant for the tough. That's why we watch it, and it's the highest grossing sport that we have in this country. #facts

    And i totally agree with panther


    destinharbor is right. They are nothing more than savages ...., being a savage should not be a requirement for sports
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    Nov 14, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    ^^^ It's not a requirement for sports... The governing bodies do their best to make these sports as safe as possible. But truth is sports like NFL, Boxing, UFC etc. ARE savage sports. If you aren't built for it don't enter it. Simple as that
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    Nov 14, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
    We are a cry baby country! If some on offense you then you want justice. We need to grow a pair in this country and in football!
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    Nov 14, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    WoPo (water polo) is generally considered to be the most physically demanding sport on Earth. Stuff that goes on beneath the water is pretty brutal. Guys have to be tough. During a game, you get clawed, dunked, kicked in the nuts and you make a mental note of what guy, on what team - you owe a little payback to next time you see him. There are certain 'rites of passage' that we may or may not have done (not saying) that are intended to 'welcome new teammates' to the game. Does it get a little rough sometimes? No. We wouldn't do anything rough. hahaha. I heard of some of the hazing going on (like stapling a guy's privates to the bench; or duct taping a guy to the bench; or a little waterboarding).....but I never actually SAW or TOOK PART in any of these things. I promise!

    To be very serious on this point: Sure, there are some rites of passage and some events that take place intended to welcome new guys to the team & toughen them up just a bit. These are harmless male bonding activities. No freshman complains. Not one. It would be unheard of. Any guy who would run to a reporter or anyone else and tattle about being offended, has NO place on the team or in sports, for that matter.
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    Nov 15, 2013 3:50 AM GMT
    I believe this is part of the job I wonder how many other players have spoken out about being bullied harrased threatened and it brushed under the rug by the NFL its another negative picturing of the NFL and it will not be tolerated and those players are no longer playing. maybe thats why we dont hear about it from concussions to the game being too violent rules pay outs etc. Jeez cant we have any fun anymore?? I remeber the guys back in the day who played for the love the game of football not the millions in their pocket. Im all about getting a guy pumped up but there is a line that shouldnt be crossed if it includes threats or harm to someones life. Even these 300 pound monsters are humans but they get paid millions of dollars to take hits to set a good example in society. And in this day and age of bullying nothing is tolerated. I just think its part of the game it has been will be and that wont change.Thats with many sports rites and passages and traditions it comes with the terriotory. Its the culture we have set that we have accepted lets face it who doesnt like watching big hits on players the violece wishing we could tackle someone like that and not go to jail.We encourage this aggressive behavoir its something thats embedded in our society and as a sports fan Ive accepted it. If people dont like football cause its too violent dont watch it same with other sports.