Poll: Calif. gay marriage ban backed by less educated, religious

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    Dec 04, 2008 1:22 PM GMT
    Big friggin' surprise.....
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081204/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage_poll

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    Dec 04, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    Big fucking surprise indeed. Isn't it already pretty obvious how the poorer the country is and/or the less educated its people (or in terms of religion, the way their education is limited to dogma), the more the chances that its citizenry will be a bunch of homophobic, racist, and misogynistic bigots?

    It still amazes me how the US is still among those ranks...
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    Dec 04, 2008 1:43 PM GMT
    Wait, this news just in.

    Republican candidates are backed by Republicans.
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    Dec 04, 2008 2:18 PM GMT
    Holy macaroni! I JUST KNEW IT! I had suspected for the longest time!
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    Dec 04, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
    Now all that race bashing last month was all for naught. Hopefully this post will not morph in a tirade against those who did not have the privilege to get a post-secondary education or those who hold firm to their religious beliefs.

    There are times when you have nothing else but your faith to get you through hard times.

    The bottom line is had we in the gay community in California had done a better job in mounting a real fight against prop 8. It would have had a better chance of being defeated.
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    Dec 04, 2008 4:48 PM GMT
    I still blame the Sky Fairies.
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    Dec 04, 2008 7:23 PM GMT

    Who decides who is less educated and even so, how do you determine that their vote was not well informed making it just as valid as a so called "educated" persons?

    This is the kind of propaganda that will alienate us more from any other group and explains why we failed to reach out to who we knew were going to be an influential group.

    I hope it isn't because we thought we were better. Educated or not, informing black voters could have turned the tide. Who's smart now?
    We didn't get what we wanted.
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    Dec 05, 2008 5:05 AM GMT
    Just to clear something up. This is how they determine how educated you are.

    The pollster asks what is the highest level of education you have achieved
    a)did not graduate high school
    b)graduated high school
    c)some college
    d)Bachelors degree
    e)advanced degree

    and moves on to the next question. This report is just exit polling number crunching with a sexy headline, not some judgement against all who supported prop-8.
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    Dec 05, 2008 5:54 AM GMT
    This makes perfect sense. The survey's director neatly summed it up by saying the racal voting pattern on prop 8 "was really a reflection of education and income," and that "both among whites and non-whites, among college graduates and among upper-income voters, Prop. 8 lost,' . . . Here's the clincher: 'Among both whites and non-whites, among non-college graduates and lower-income voters, Prop. 8 won. …'

    All this is a polite way of stating two politically unspeakable and uncomfortable truths 1) "It's class, not race, stupid." Tolerance and secularism correlate strongly with educational levels and a middle-class mind-set; and 2) We're not "all there yet" as a country. Inequality dies hard and slow and leaves a legacy. Prop 8 won among African-Americans and Latinos because those two communities in America still have lower incomes and a lower share of college graduates on average than whites. There is a middle-class majority among whites in the country overall, and in California a majority of those are more educated non-traditionalists. By contrast, Black and Latino culture in America everywhere is still largely blue-collar, traditional,culture. Comparing black and white and Hispanic "culture" towards gay people is an apples-oranges comparison (full disclosure here: my background is Puerto Rican).

    It makes you think twice before blaming the vote on race.