Rating The Divas

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    Dec 04, 2008 3:55 PM GMT
    Someone here just posted a Britney video, that made me wonder how other video & concert performers would rate with RJers. Here's a few I've seen in concert:

    Madonna, just last week, Sticky & Sweet Tour, outdoors: Spectacularly energetic with sharp, precise choreography, but also strangely cold & remote, like watching a video that just happened to be on a stage. Her voice also went flat a number of times.

    Bette Midler: My personal favorite, she's just out there having FUN, and you can tell it. As much a comic as singer and dancer, her routines are full of silliness and humor, and she can be spontaneous and ad-lib with the audience. She seems so at ease, and just happy to be there with you. You really want to like her.

    Cher: Saw one of her last "farewell" shows on the road, so these comments may be moot unless you see her at Vegas. I soon realized that she hardly moved on stage, all the apparent motion being an illusion created by her backup dancers and the set, not what one expects at these concerts. But then I remembered when she & Sonny started in the 1960s, wearing furry vests and singing ballads, totally stationary as was the style then. I don't think she ever really accepted the "cartwheels across the stage" manner of performing.

    Liza Minnelli, last year at the Hard Rock Casino in FL: She lost a lot of weight, looked great, so please, no fat comments. A small show, little in the way of sets or lighting, limited backup. A bit overdone on forced emotion while talking to the audience, and "unrehearsed" moments that looked rehearsed and clumsy. Only her voice acquitted her, which while not what it was, still has some of the old magic. A more intimate concert, indoors where it worked.

    Your own experiences & comments?
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    Red_Vespa saidSomeone here just posted a Britney video, that made me wonder how other video & concert performers would rate with RJers. Here's a few I've seen in concert:

    Madonna, just last week, Sticky & Sweet Tour, outdoors: Spectacularly energetic with sharp, precise choreography, but also strangely cold & remote, like watching a video that just happened to be on a stage. Her voice also went flat a number of times.

    Bette Midler: My personal favorite, she's just out there having FUN, and you can tell it. As much a comic as singer and dancer, her routines are full of silliness and humor, and she can be spontaneous and ad-lib with the audience. She seems so at ease, and just happy to be there with you. You really want to like her.

    Cher: Saw one of her last "farewell" shows on the road, so these comments may be moot unless you see her at Vegas. I soon realized that she hardly moved on stage, all the apparent motion being an illusion created by her backup dancers and the set, not what one expects at these concerts. But then I remembered when she & Sonny started in the 1960s, wearing furry vests and singing ballads, totally stationary as was the style then. I don't think she ever really accepted the "cartwheels across the stage" manner of performing.

    Liza Minnelli, last year at the Hard Rock Casino in FL: She lost a lot of weight, looked great, so please, no fat comments. A small show, little in the way of sets or lighting, limited backup. A bit overdone on forced emotion while talking to the audience, and "unrehearsed" moments that looked rehearsed and clumsy. Only her voice acquitted her, which while not what it was, still has some of the old magic. A more intimate concert, indoors where it worked.

    Your own experiences & comments?


    My Gaydar is screaming...
    you're a homo!
    If you threw in Barbara Steisand it woulda been a done deal... icon_wink.gif

    j/k, lol

    I haven't seen enuff Divas in Concert to comment.
    But I did see (little known) Linda Eder in the musical Jeckyll/Hyde years ago and she blew me away! Quite sexy in a busteire too!
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    Dec 04, 2008 8:34 PM GMT
    I'm my own favorite diva, bitch.

    Oh. You meant the ones that exist outside my head, huh?
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    Dec 04, 2008 8:46 PM GMT
    I saw Madonna twice this year - in Chicago, and Atlantic City (of all places). Both were indoors, but Atlantic City was particularly awesome because her center stage catwalk was practically in the middle of the arena. So you felt mega close (I was only 4 rows from that circular bit in the center).

    She was happy, funny (she made shadow puppets at one point between songs) and of course the show and song selection were phenomenal on this tour (which is well documented). It was exhilarating. The last 5 or so songs were just a constant jump up and down - Like A Prayer mixed with the trance classic "Feels Like Home", the now staple Ray Of Light, + Give It To Me (Remixed) to finish it off. Bloody brilliant! Her vocals were great on the ballads / so-so when she was dancing, but it's just such a spectacle that the vocals don't even matter after a while.

    Haven't seen the others you mentioned in the OP.

    JANET JACKSON - saw her in 1995, plus her dvd concerts. She can definitely dance and she's better with her fans than Madonna, but it's the same old same old dance routines with her. Nothing new.

    SPICE GIRLS - true divas! Saw them last year on their reunion tour and as embarrassed as I am to admit this, it was probably my favourite concert ever.

    BRITNEY - can't stand her. Glad she's back on her feet but all this circus crap and lip-synching is annoying. Not going.
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    Dec 04, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    no love for Celine??

    I did see here in the early 90's - loved her.

    How bout Divas on uppers??? Steive Nicks, greatness, even though she was sooo stoned she forgot the words to most of her songs... good times.

    True greatness though... Love me some Diana Krall
    I lust her. Just something sexy about her, yum

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    Dec 04, 2008 9:13 PM GMT
    BodyWork4 saidMy Gaydar is screaming...
    you're a homo!
    If you threw in Barbara Steisand it woulda been a done deal... icon_wink.gif


    Well of course I'm a homo! And yes, I have seen Streisand, and prepare to be jealous beyond belief.

    I not only saw her in the original Broadway production of Funny Girl, but met her backstage in her dressing room afterwards.

    I was only a teenager, but my host was a Jesuit from my prep school, on whom I had a terrible crush. He was very connected with the New York stage scene, and knew Streisand from her earlier role in I Can Get It For You Wholesale.

    At 14 I was actually too young to even be in the theatre in those days, but he managed it. Her dressing room was crammed with flowers (it reminded me of a funeral home), and I was surprised how short she was, shorter than me, and I'm a midget myself for a man.

    But I've never met her since, nor seen her live in any performance. I guess I got my chance early, but never again.
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    Dec 04, 2008 9:44 PM GMT
    Anita Baker at the Chicago Theatre the last 2 years - she is not coming this year icon_sad.gif. Her voice is actually deeper and fuller then what most of you will remember from her albums.

    Her band is disciplined and wrapped around her finger. She is definitely from the old school generation of performers like Ella and Sarah Vaughn and its just a great feel good experience - a great romantic date - concert

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    Dec 04, 2008 10:09 PM GMT
    Sorry, not into Liza, Judy, Bette or Barbara (I'll take acting skills over their music) & I cannot stomach Chericon_rolleyes.gif. I hear any of that God-awful singing & I'm ready to turn off the radioicon_mad.gif. I'm not gonna knock Britney because I only listen to the cuts of hers produced by The Neptunes. Now you can ask if I'm really gay nor not. Just because every gay man worships the hell out of these female singers doesn't mean that I have to. I'm more of a Mary J. Blige, Teena Marie, Donna Summer, TLC (even groups of female singers), next to one-hit wonders like Tara Kemp. It's funny how I don't see too many gay men "worship" Mary J. Blige, like they do these other singers, just because she sings everyone else's music. Did it ever occur to anyone that everyone in their mother is doing remixes these days? That & Mary is The Queen Of Hip-Hop Soul & she sings from the pit of her stomach, due to all of the hell & high-water she went through. From "What's The 411?" to "Growing Pains", c'mon, I'm sure there are a few cuts of Mary J. has delivered to some of us. It took me some time but I came around because I like what she represents. I do love Anita Baker & Toni Braxton....any thoughts on the aforementioned full-throated female soul singers?
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    Dec 04, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
    TheWayItIs saidSorry, not into Liza, Judy, Bette or Barbara (I'll take acting skills over their music) & I cannot stomach Chericon_rolleyes.gif. I hear any of that God-awful singing & I'm ready to turn off the radioicon_mad.gif. I'm not gonna knock Britney because I only listen to the cuts of hers produced by The Neptunes. Now you can ask if I'm really gay nor not. Just because every gay man worships the hell out of these female singers doesn't mean that I have to. I'm more of a Mary J. Blige, Teena Marie, Donna Summer, TLC (even groups of female singers), next to one-hit wonders like Tara Kemp. It's funny how I don't see too many gay men "worship" Mary J. Blige, like they do these other singers, just because she sings everyone else's music. Did it ever occur to anyone that everyone in their mother is doing remixes these days? That & Mary is The Queen Of Hip-Hop Soul & she sings from the pit of her stomach, due to all of the hell & high-water she went through. From "What's The 411?" to "Growing Pains", c'mon, I'm sure there are a few cuts of Mary J. has delivered to some of us. It took me some time but I came around because I like what she represents. I do love Anita Baker & Toni Braxton....any thoughts on the aforementioned full-throated female soul singers?


    The ENTIRE statement I stand by as well!!! Well put TheWayltls!!!!!

    I'm a HUGE fan of Mary's, Keyshia Cole, Amerie, Monica, Jazmine Sullivan, Teena Marie, Shae Jones, Syleena Johnson, Tina Moore, Patti LaBelle, Jully Black, Vivian Green, Heather Headley, Keke Wyatt, Ledisi, Floetry...... I could go on and on
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    Dec 04, 2008 11:01 PM GMT
    I'll only comment on Lady M...

    I think she tries to put on a good show and you can definately see her artistry and creativity at work...likewise, she hires good people who often go unpraised during her shows. That said, I find the Madonna of today as a stage performer lacking the ease, precision, and energy of her old days. She's still got it but, due to the bar she herself raised, Madonna of today can't compete with the Madonna of "The Girly Show" or "Blonde Ambition". Also, seems to me like she's trying too hard now to be hip and modern...I love me some Madonna but it'd be nice if she didn't try so hard to fool us that she's still 21 (jumping rope, really).
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    Dec 04, 2008 11:43 PM GMT
    Oh I forgot to mention the old schooler of all old schoolers...Sade? She was & still is, very talented in her own way & just very underrated. Jasmine Guy (Try Me, I can sing some of this as well) has a pretty nice voice, as well, just a one-hit wonder. Some of these female singers who can belt a true tune are overlooked & the ones who are tried & true trainwrecks waiting to happen are put in the spotlight & forget how to have some real class like a much looked at-public image. Natalie Cole's return album, "It's Good To Be Back" sparked a few good hits with me & I cannot get over "As A Matter Of Fact". Oh there's a few singers I just mentioned! Sade, Natalie Cole, Jasmine Guy...and cannot forget Shirley Murdock of Zapp & Roger fame, next to Keyshia Cole. I didn't care too much for her after she first came out but dammit, she made a believer out of me! Christina Aguilera is a damned good one too. Can't forget Janet & yes, even tired ol' run down Beyonceicon_rolleyes.gif. I am only fond of some of her first cuts from the first joint & some of the cuts from the second joint as well, too. don't care too much for "I Am...Sasha Fierce!"

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    TheWayItIs saidOh I forgot to mention the old schooler of all old schoolers...Sade? She was & still is, very talented in her own way & just very underrated. Jasmine Guy (Try Me, I can sing some of this as well) has a pretty nice voice, as well, just a one-hit wonder. Some of these female singers who can belt a true tune are overlooked & the ones who are tried & true trainwrecks waiting to happen are put in the spotlight & forget how to have some real class like a much looked at-public image. Natalie Cole's return album, "It's Good To Be Back" sparked a few good hits with me & I cannot get over "As A Matter Of Fact". Oh there's a few singers I just mentioned! Sade, Natalie Cole, Jasmine Guy...and cannot forget Shirley Murdock of Zapp & Roger fame, next to Keyshia Cole. I didn't care too much for her after she first came out but dammit, she made a believer out of me! Christina Aguilera is a damned good one too. Can't forget Janet & yes, even tired ol' run down Beyonceicon_rolleyes.gif. I am only fond of some of her first cuts from the first joint & some of the cuts from the second joint as well, too. don't care too much for "I Am...Sasha Fierce!"

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    Dec 05, 2008 7:46 PM GMT
    Oh let me not forget the star who should have been given a shot here in the States but was just basically swept under the rug...Lisa Stansfield. Amazing woman with a set of pipes but she got more popularity & stardom in Europe, go figure. I'm starting to wonder, if I get a contract, will I get recognition on my home turf or will I have to sell out & blow up in Europe, Asia & all of the other countries?

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    Dec 05, 2008 7:49 PM GMT
    Whatever happened to Lisa Stansfield? Her first 2 CDs were amazing.

    Pardon me while I go off to google her.
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:00 PM GMT
    what about diana, tina, or patti?
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
    Jackal69 saidI'll only comment on Lady M...

    I think she tries to put on a good show and you can definately see her artistry and creativity at work...likewise, she hires good people who often go unpraised during her shows. That said, I find the Madonna of today as a stage performer lacking the ease, precision, and energy of her old days. She's still got it but, due to the bar she herself raised, Madonna of today can't compete with the Madonna of "The Girly Show" or "Blonde Ambition". Also, seems to me like she's trying too hard now to be hip and modern...I love me some Madonna but it'd be nice if she didn't try so hard to fool us that she's still 21 (jumping rope, really).


    Amen and preach it! I've been saying this for years. I just got my hands on the Blonde Ambition Tour from Japan and while watching it was astounded by how theatrical, engaging, and fun the show was. I think the tech side of her tours today, as well her odd feelings toward her older materials, are thwarting her putting on the best show she can.
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
    GobB saidwhat about diana, tina, or patti?


    Diana and Patti yes. Tina...she's a legend but I've never felt she's a diva. Diva is as much about attitude and approach as talent.
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:07 PM GMT
    RunintheCity saidWhatever happened to Lisa Stansfield? Her first 2 CDs were amazing.

    Pardon me while I go off to google her.


    She's still going strong in Europe!
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:11 PM GMT
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    GobB saidwhat about diana, tina, or patti?


    Diana and Patti yes. Tina...she's a legend but I've never felt she's a diva. Diva is as much about attitude and approach as talent.


    well if that is the case, then mariah needs to be at teh top of the list icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:14 PM GMT
    I just read Lisa's Wikipedia entry. Looks like I'll be ordering some CDs through interlibrary loan again.
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:15 PM GMT
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    well if that is the case, then mariah needs to be at teh top of the list icon_wink.gif


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    Dec 05, 2008 8:16 PM GMT
    I don't mind Tina T., Patti L. or even The Boss Diana Ross. Some of the REAL old schoolers, per se, Ella Fitzgerald, Etta James, need I go on? What ALL of these old school singers need to do, if I had my way, I would raise them FROM THE DEAD to do one more album! That damned Ashanti...Aww Baby, Ooh Baby, Aww Baby-- Shut the hell up, you damn baby! Need I mention the REAL Queen Of Soul, Aretha Franklin...Daydreamin' or Ain't No Way, next to, Who's Zoomin' Who as well as All The King's Men....need the list REALLY go on? There are 2 TRUE Queens holding their titles & that is Aretha Franklin & Mary J. Blige. Did anyone ever recall Mary singing Whitney under the table on the rendition of "Ain't No Way?
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:18 PM GMT
    TheWayItIs saidI don't mind Tina T., Patti L. or even The Boss Diana Ross. Some of the REAL old schoolers, per se, Ella Fitzgerald, Etta James, need I go on? What ALL of these old school singers need to do, if I had my way, I would raise the FROM THE DEAD to do one more album! That damned Ashanti...Aww Baby, Ooh Baby, Aww Baby-- Shut the hell up, you damn baby! Need I mention the REAL Queen Of Soul, Aretha Franklin...Daydreamin' or Ain't No Way, next to, Who's Zoomin' Who as well as All The King's Men....need the list REALLY go on? There are 2 TRUE Queens holding their titles & that is Aretha Franklin & Mary J. Blige. Did anyone ever recall Mary singing Whitney under the table on the rendition of "Ain't No Way?


    While I'd agree that Ella and Etta could outsing almost anyone...I dunno about Mary J being over Whitney. When they sang that duet...Whitney was vocally going down the drain. Whitney from 88-93 could outsing almost anyone. Even Ella likely.
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:32 PM GMT
    My Top 5 Female Diva Performers
    1.Mariah Carey and Christina Aguilera (Tie)
    2.Beyonce Knowles
    3.Britney Spears
    4.Whitney Houston
    5.Kelly Clarkson
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    Dec 05, 2008 8:34 PM GMT
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    TheWayItIs saidI don't mind Tina T., Patti L. or even The Boss Diana Ross. Some of the REAL old schoolers, per se, Ella Fitzgerald, Etta James, need I go on? What ALL of these old school singers need to do, if I had my way, I would raise the FROM THE DEAD to do one more album! That damned Ashanti...Aww Baby, Ooh Baby, Aww Baby-- Shut the hell up, you damn baby! Need I mention the REAL Queen Of Soul, Aretha Franklin...Daydreamin' or Ain't No Way, next to, Who's Zoomin' Who as well as All The King's Men....need the list REALLY go on? There are 2 TRUE Queens holding their titles & that is Aretha Franklin & Mary J. Blige. Did anyone ever recall Mary singing Whitney under the table on the rendition of "Ain't No Way?


    While I'd agree that Ella and Etta could outsing almost anyone...I dunno about Mary J being over Whitney. When they sang that duet...Whitney was vocally going down the drain. Whitney from 88-93 could outsing almost anyone. Even Ella likely.


    i used to think mary sucked in person, but that was years ago. she has upped her game tremendously and i must agree with thewayitis that she a great entertainer now. with her, u get her voice, which is crap but still, she is an entertainer and gives a good show. and quite frankly, celine dion i think altho not the best presenter of her craft, can outsing any of these women, including whitney anyday of the week.