AUTO BAILOUT: Did Anyone See the CEO of GM pull up in the new, highly-tauted VOLT?

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2008 5:08 PM GMT
    For months we've been seeing the pics of the highly tauted electric VOLT coming from GM in 2010, which actually looked like FINALLY an American car would be cool.

    http://www.chevy-volt.net/


    Then today, the CEO of GM pulls up in the actual prototype for the new VOLT and we see that it's just another butt-ugly American made car -- nothing interesting, pleasing to look at, or even remotely appealing. They didn't even bother to put snazzy wheels on the car so that they could take some p.r. advantage of the media hype surrounding the auto makers CEO's driving to the Senate hearings from Detroit today. This tells me that these CEO's are still clueless. They should all be fired. All the creativity and ingenuity America has to offer, and THIS is the best they can come up with? Is it any wonder foreign automakers are running circles around them?


    http://gm-volt.com/
  • vindog

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    Dec 04, 2008 5:19 PM GMT
    The Chevy Volt Price has climbed up to over $40k, leaving it priced out of reach of many consumer and negating the fuel cost savings.

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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2008 5:54 PM GMT
    Exactly my point. Who's going to buy something for that price that looks that ugly, when the foreign car dealers will be doing it better, sharper, and for cheaper?
  • Menergy_1

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    Dec 04, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    Not to mention that the majority of the road trip was in chauffered hybrids, then a quick switch to the Volt for a short drive to the Capitol....Not enough charge to go a good distance? LOL

    It's all form over substance, anyway, unfortunately. A PR move, not one major change in the Big 3 mentality (nor UAW for the most part) it seems.
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    Dec 04, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    I'm not interested in showing up in a Volt or working for a $1 gimmick. I wanna see how they intend to use our money to make themselves viable again. Otherwise, they might as well go out of their misery right now and be done with it.
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    Dec 04, 2008 7:11 PM GMT
    Okay, time for some facts:

    1) There is a significant difference between a test mule (unfinished vehicle that is still in development) and even a pre-production car (which is almost ready for sale and, while still probably hand-built, just has final tweaks before production). The Volt was a mule and, as a result, is rough.

    2) You didn't see the Volt's body. You saw the body of a Cruise (much less interesting sedan destined for the rental lots) stuck on the chassis of a Volt.

    3) The wheels were ugly because they're just generic steel wheels. Those will not be on the production car.

    4) The Volt is expensive because of the technology and truly astonishing cost of, uhm...batteries. This is not some next-generation hybrid. It's fully electric, using the electric motor to power the vehicle at all speeds, rather than just part-time like a hybrid. There is a huge leap between hybrid and all-electric, and the Volt implements some very unique tech to make this jump. (Inclusion of a limp-home mode using a gas-powered generator, for instance.)

    5) They didn't drive the whole way in the Volt because it isn't designed for that. It's designed for daily commuting, not cross-country trips. The batteries would get depleted after a hundred miles (I'm guessing) and would require a recharge. Not that it would have been fiscally responsible to drive a multi-million-dollar test mule that far, anyway.

    As a huge car guy, I'm no fan of GM or their continual f-ups. But while I believe Wagoner should be run out of town for sheer incompetence, the Volt program is the one shining piece of silver in the GM dung pile.
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    Dec 04, 2008 7:23 PM GMT
    Wow. The U.S. auto industry really is destined to bite the dust. I'm still set on having a national/regional rail system.
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    Dec 04, 2008 8:09 PM GMT
    mmm no
    I sooo missed that, I was so wrapped up in Britney's Birthday!! icon_rolleyes.gif


    just kidding, actually I missed both and I'm feeling pretty good about that.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2008 8:52 PM GMT
    hobronto saidO

    As a huge car guy, I'm no fan of GM or their continual f-ups. But while I believe Wagoner should be run out of town for sheer incompetence, the Volt program is the one shining piece of silver in the GM dung pile.



    I agree with you 100%, Hobro, but it doesn't take a marketing genius to figure out that the arrival of this CEO of GM to the Senate Hearings in what was touted as the new "Chevy Volt" offered the opportunity to put their best face forward and showoff something that could actually maybe excite potential future buyers. Instead, the car he arrived in could not have been uglier right down to the stock black wheels. I was seriously stunned at the utter lack of marketing, promotion, or P.R. savvy
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    Dec 04, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    I just don't get it. Why do American made cars have to be square and unattractive? Is it some rule in Detroit that they can't make a car that is actually cool to look at?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2008 9:03 PM GMT

    Yeah, back in the hey day of the Camaro (I had 3 Camaros growing up) and the Firebird it seemed that GM was doing much better. Now, it seems like the Corvette is the only thing they put out that isn't square and ugly.
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    Dec 04, 2008 10:10 PM GMT
    I say dont bail them out. However, I do like the car. Nothing wrong with it but, if the car is over 40k then its definitley not worth it.
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    Dec 04, 2008 10:13 PM GMT
    This is why I am going to be sticking to imports from now on. Fully loaded & factory alloys at no additional charge sounds VERY good to me.icon_biggrin.gif
  • Thirdbeach

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    Dec 05, 2008 3:55 AM GMT
    Do I understand this right;
    The American Car Manufacturers can not get enough Americans to buy American made cars.
    So currently, fewer Americans are paying for American made cars.

    The American Car Manufacturers are petitioning the American Government for money, so that all American Taxpayers will pay for American made cars, even if the taxpayer doesn't buy one.
    Those taxpayers who do buy American, will be paying twice, once at the dealership, and again at tax time.

    This "bailout" sounds pretty balls out to me.
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    Dec 05, 2008 4:16 AM GMT
    I watched the entire Senate hearings... the Senator from Alabama had great questions and het grilled the auto idiots into the ground including the dufus UAW guy. The auto companies do not deserve to be bailed out AT ALL. They are clueless, smug and ruined the US car industry over a 30+ year period.Bury them.
  • swimbikerun

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    Dec 05, 2008 4:22 AM GMT
    Thirdbeach saidDo I understand this right;
    The American Car Manufacturers can not get enough Americans to buy American made cars.
    So currently, fewer Americans are paying for American made cars.

    The American Car Manufacturers are petitioning the American Government for money, so that all American Taxpayers will pay for American made cars, even if the taxpayer doesn't buy one.
    Those taxpayers who do buy American, will be paying twice, once at the dealership, and again at tax time.

    This "bailout" sounds pretty balls out to me.

    Especially when one considers the amount of money being asked for is more than the assets of said companies.
  • RSportsguy

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    Dec 05, 2008 4:28 AM GMT
    TJ85016 saidI watched the entire Senate hearings... the Senator from Alabama had great questions and het grilled the auto idiots into the ground including the dufus UAW guy. The auto companies do not deserve to be bailed out AT ALL. They are clueless, smug and ruined the US car industry over a 30+ year period.Bury them.



    Well, the senator from Alabama has another reason to not bailout the American auto industry. They have given huge tax breaks to foreign car companies to build plants and hire workers without union benefits. They do not have the burden of paying for the millions of retirees. My Dad worked 40+ years for Chrysler (not including time serving his country) and is at the age where he depends on his retirement package. This will cripple Detroit and most of SE Michigan if this does not come through.
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    Dec 05, 2008 4:45 AM GMT
    Yeah I know the story of the Southern foreign car states vs the Northern domestic car states, but this has been going on for 10+ years now. Detroit just takes the American people (taxpayers) as suckers and expects a bailout (again). Crystler certinly deserves burial. GM and Ford have also screwed up royally and hugely. The UAW also expects a bailout. I don't see any difference in laying off all tha auto works than the what? 20,000 layoffs announced today by ATT, BoA (Merril Lynch guys), on and on. The US car charade is over and has been proved in the market for new cars. Today in AZ I see a car with MI tags......Audi A4 LOL. Let em go.
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    Dec 05, 2008 4:50 AM GMT
    I like how everyone hyped up the arrival in the Volt when they had to use a Chevy Malibu for most of the trip. The Volt was just for the final small leg and the cameras.
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    Dec 05, 2008 4:59 AM GMT
    Yeah Detroit is a joke now; and everyone realizes it
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    Dec 05, 2008 5:05 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Yeah, back in the hey day of the Camaro (I had 3 Camaros growing up) and the Firebird it seemed that GM was doing much better. Now, it seems like the Corvette is the only thing they put out that isn't square and ugly.


    Speaking of the Camaro the only reason I'd like to see at least a part of GM survive is because I'd like the new 2010 Camaro icon_razz.gif

    I'd get it in 2013-14 likely as just a fun car. Hopefully I'll have a better job by then for the second car.

    Hotness!!!!!
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    Dec 05, 2008 5:27 AM GMT
    Trance24 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Yeah, back in the hey day of the Camaro (I had 3 Camaros growing up) and the Firebird it seemed that GM was doing much better. Now, it seems like the Corvette is the only thing they put out that isn't square and ugly.


    Speaking of the Camaro the only reason I'd like to see at least a part of GM survive is because I'd like the new 2010 Camaro icon_razz.gif

    I'd get it in 2013-14 likely as just a fun car. Hopefully I'll have a better job by then for the second car.

    Hotness!!!!!
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    Hot.....I'd look into it
  • BizzQuik

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    Dec 05, 2008 6:07 AM GMT
    You know I don't agree with a bail out but we can't let the car makers go under. It would set off a great depression and everyone's lives as we now know them would end. Seriously, my dad works for a dealer so this is an important issue to me. Why is everyone saying no to this. Why aren't we going after Paulson for getting $700 billion and then not using it as he said he was. If the auto makers are smart they will ask for a loan not a bailout.
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    Dec 05, 2008 6:33 AM GMT
    A bail out, simply put, isn't necessary. There is already a system in place for dealing with companies going the way of our big 3 car makers, and it's called bankruptcy. The companies could still stay functioning while under reorganization. The only reason the leaders of the companies are screaming that they need a bail out is that if they went bankrupt, the reorganization plans would likely involve giving all the executives the boot and managers would be installed to guide the companies through the process of reorganization. That, and the bond holders in the companies would lose on their profits.

    For myself, I think it would be pure justice to see the overpaid chiefs of these failing companies fired. If they can't live on the millions they've already amassed, then they need some serious budgeting lessons themselves. And I'd rather see them and the bond holders take it on the chin than have to chip in money through my taxes to fix their mismanagement mistakes.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 05, 2008 6:46 AM GMT
    I agree, the new Camaro looks HOT! I fell in love with it when it made its debut in the movie "TRANSFORMERS". But, can't GM just consolidate all of it's production lines and just do a scaled down variety of products. For instance, do we really need a GMC YUKON, a Chevy Tahoe, AND a Cadillac Escalade...all basically the same vehicle with different dressing? The Camaro looks great but what's next...Pontiac coming out with basically the same car called a "Firebird"? Why not just do one, but do it well?