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    Nov 16, 2013 11:00 AM GMT
    This board is intended for U.S. public opinion on sex-related issues.

    2013 Gallup polls have reported that, of U.S. adults, 59% accept homosexual relations, and 54% support same-sex marriage. These trends are expected to continue rising.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/162689/record-high-say-gay-lesbian-relations-morally.aspx

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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/163730/back-law-legalize-gay-marriage-states.aspx

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    Nov 17, 2013 2:45 AM GMT
    I was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?
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    Nov 17, 2013 3:05 AM GMT
    shortbutsweet saidI was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?

    It's about whether the government has a right over women's bodies and to make choices for women.
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    Nov 17, 2013 3:07 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    shortbutsweet saidI was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?

    It's about whether the government has a right over women's bodies and to make choices for women.


    since when does a governmental decision have anything to do with morality?
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    Nov 17, 2013 3:09 AM GMT
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    shortbutsweet saidI was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?

    It's about whether the government has a right over women's bodies and to make choices for women.


    since when does a governmental decision have anything to do with morality?

    Laws are about justice, and women's justice means having a choice over your own uterus.
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    Nov 17, 2013 3:55 AM GMT
    shortbutsweet saidI was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?

    It might be more revealing if the numbers were split into two groups, what men think and what women think.

    For example, women are understandably upset about pornography because it's very bad for the women involved. Whereas gay pornography is probably not as bad about taking advantage of the actors, but when you poll people about pornography they're rarely thinking of gay pornography. And a lot of straight men probably have no clue about how bad straight pornography is for the women involved.

    I'm kind of a mish-mash; I'm probably one of the few liberals who is anti-abortion but I'm anti death penalty and I'm pro suicide.

    Edit: now that I think about it I could be very wrong about gay porn actors; think about how much pressure there must be to do bareback.
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    Nov 17, 2013 4:10 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    shortbutsweet saidI was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?

    It might be more revealing if the numbers were split into two groups, what men think and what women think.

    For example, women are understandably upset about pornography because it's very bad for the women involved. Whereas gay pornography is probably not as bad about taking advantage of the actors, but when you poll people about pornography they're rarely thinking of gay pornography. And a lot of straight men probably have no clue about how bad straight pornography is for the women involved.

    I'm kind of a mish-mash; I'm probably one of the few liberals who is anti-abortion but I'm anti death penalty and I'm pro suicide.

    Edit: now that I think about it I could be very wrong about gay porn actors; think about how much pressure there must be to do bareback.

    Women watch porn.
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    Nov 17, 2013 5:07 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    shortbutsweet saidI was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?
    I'm kind of a mish-mash; I'm probably one of the few liberals who is anti-abortion but I'm anti death penalty and I'm pro suicide.


    That's a logical point of view, not a mish-mash. You believe the only life a person should be able to take is his own.

    I'm a registered none-of-the-above, but I tend to vote with the Democrats. Still, my views aren't rigorously liberal, either. I support a woman's right to choose, but I have very deep reservations about it. I favor the death penalty in certain circumstances. And I don't think suicide is anyone's business but your own.
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    Nov 17, 2013 5:21 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidI think using the phrase "unborn child" kind of gives the game away. The thing is properly called a "fetus" and it isn't alive independently yet. Words matter. Of course no one is going to agree with killing a child.


    Each new study that comes out shows the "fetus" gaining consciousness earlier and earlier. Trying to downplay the aliveness of the fetus is a lost cause. The question should be whether that life is separate from the woman's before birth, and who's rights trumps who's.
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    Nov 17, 2013 5:23 AM GMT
    I just feel like poor ppl should have more abortions.
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    Nov 17, 2013 7:39 PM GMT
    highforthis saidThe question should be whether that life is separate from the woman's before birth, and who's rights trumps who's.

    Exactly. Trying to portray the fetus as a parasite, which some women do, is bizarre logic.

    It's the sliding scale aspect that bothers me, where the scale is how old the fetus is. Most people probably don't have a problem with a morning after pill. And if there was one that worked up to a week after conception most people probably wouldn't object. But as more time passes drawing the line becomes arbitrary.
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    Nov 17, 2013 7:43 PM GMT
    Of course the flip side is how the Catholic church is, or maybe was, against birth control and also anti-abortion. Similarly, the right wing was against sex education in schools.

    I think birth control pills and morning after pills should be free. But the Republicans would go ape shit over that idea.
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    Nov 17, 2013 7:50 PM GMT
    I believe women should have rights over their own life and body, but in the case of abortion I believe from science that after conception another human life has begun. Just because this human life doesn't have a fully developed body yet doesn't change the fact that another life has begun and who are we to determine who gets to live in this world and who doesn't. Just because someone doesn't want to take care of this human life I don't feel is a valid reason to terminate it. So I believe anyone who has an abortion has prematurely ended another person's life. I know many gays will rake me over the coals for this, but I have never been able to come to accept abortion for just frivolous reasons.
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    Nov 17, 2013 8:09 PM GMT
    The polls left out considerable detail. For example, many people who disapprove of abortion favor keeping it legal because they do not believe that everything of which they disapprove should be illegal.

    Here in Albuquerque, there is a special election to determine whether abortion should be more restricted. In one TV advertisement, a woman states that although she never in her life expected to have an abortion, she did have an abortion. The reason given was that the fetus had a defect that would have caused it to suffocate painfully within a few hours after birth, a situation which could have been prevented only by abortion. I am not a medical expert and do not know all the possible medical problems which could be caused by continuing a problem pregnancy so I'd rather leave such decisions up to those directly involved.

    Also, people who believe that it is a bad idea for single women to have a baby do not necessarily think that it is immoral.

    Regarding pornography, in my opinion, whether it is acceptable depends on circumstances. Some of it depicts extreme abuse which I do not see as acceptable.
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    Nov 17, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
    michael61 saidI believe women should have rights over their own life and body, but in the case of abortion I believe from science that after conception another human life has begun. Just because this human life doesn't have a fully developed body yet doesn't change the fact that another life has begun and who are we to determine who gets to live in this world and who doesn't. Just because someone doesn't want to take care of this human life I don't feel is a valid reason to terminate it. So I believe anyone who has an abortion has prematurely ended another person's life. I know many gays will rake me over the coals for this, but I have never been able to come to accept abortion for just frivolous reasons.


    I agree, but I don't think a human life is any more valuable than that of an elephant, a dolphin or a lion either
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    Nov 17, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
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    One in three women will have at least one abortion in her lifetime. There are over 1 million abortions each year in the US alone. You guys on this thread are examples of why this is not a man's decision. These aren't our bodies. We can't make being a woman a curse again, like it is places in the world where woman's bodies are not their own.
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    Nov 17, 2013 8:38 PM GMT
    somersault saidI agree, but I don't think a human life is any more valuable than that of an elephant, a dolphin or a lion either.

    Or a rat or a pigeon? It's another sliding line; where do you draw it?
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    Nov 17, 2013 8:47 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    somersault saidI agree, but I don't think a human life is any more valuable than that of an elephant, a dolphin or a lion either.

    Or a rat or a pigeon? It's another sliding line; where do you draw it?


    it's not about gradations of the value of life forms, I just don't think human life is more valuable than any other life form. And don't start on that termites and bacteria arguement crap.
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    Nov 17, 2013 8:55 PM GMT
    somersault said
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    somersault saidI agree, but I don't think a human life is any more valuable than that of an elephant, a dolphin or a lion either.

    Or a rat or a pigeon? It's another sliding line; where do you draw it?


    it's not about gradations of the value of life forms, I just don't think human life is more valuable than any other life form. And don't start on that termites and bacteria arguement crap.

    Actually I was thinking of all those poor bacteria on your hands that you're washing down the drain. icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 17, 2013 9:01 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    somersault said I just don't think human life is more valuable than any other life form.

    I don't think this is a widespread opinion.


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    Nov 17, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
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    shortbutsweet saidI was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?

    It's about whether the government has a right over women's bodies and to make choices for women.


    since when does a governmental decision have anything to do with morality?

    Laws are about justice, and women's justice means having a choice over your own uterus.



    I'm not saying I necessarily agree or disagree with you, but your comments on this subject sound like you're regurgitating them from a Planned Parenthood brochure. Do you have any thoughts of your own on the subject?
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    Nov 17, 2013 11:04 PM GMT
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    HottJoe said
    somersault said
    HottJoe said
    shortbutsweet saidI was surprised to see that 42% believe killing an unborn child is morally acceptable, but only 16% believe killing oneself is. Thoughts?

    It's about whether the government has a right over women's bodies and to make choices for women.


    since when does a governmental decision have anything to do with morality?

    Laws are about justice, and women's justice means having a choice over your own uterus.



    I'm not saying I necessarily agree or disagree with you, but your comments on this subject sound like you're regurgitating them from a Planned Parenthood brochure. Do you have any thoughts of your own on the subject?

    I used to be prolife, for all the reasons anyone is prolife, then a discussion like this led me to research it more. I started reading the stories of women, and there are millions, and I realized this is not up to men, because if it were it would require taking women over, and going backwards. I think a society taking control over women who are pregnant is like a kind of rape. I understand why the supreme court said it's unconstitutional, and that woman have to have the final say over their bodies.

    I still get how both sides feel, but the actual choice, which we as men can't imagine going through, has to be made by women.
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    Nov 17, 2013 11:22 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    somersault said I just don't think human life is more valuable than any other life form.

    I don't think this is a widespread opinion.


    Are right and wrong determined by how widespread an opinion is?
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    Nov 17, 2013 11:55 PM GMT
    66% of people said pornography was immoral? Either a lot of people are lying, or they think of themselves as immoral for viewing it and enjoying it.
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    Nov 18, 2013 1:22 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidSimilarly, the right wing was against sex education in schools.


    To be fair, the right wing has been against any kind of education in schools. This may be the result of studies that show the more intelligent a person is, the more likely he or she is to lean left.

    Of course, intelligent people recognize that intelligence and education are not closely correlated, but that's another story.