Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

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    Nov 18, 2013 7:36 PM GMT
    This is an interesting article.

    http://www.nimbios.org/press/FS_homosexuality
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    Nov 18, 2013 7:46 PM GMT
    StellarPecs saidThere isn't really one sole cause of homosexuality. It is a variety of factors. The environment of the womb, the amount of hormones and the development of the brain. It happens in nature and it is bound to occur in many animals.

    The article says that and explains it in better detail, through switches known as epi-marks...
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    Nov 18, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
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    Nov 18, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
    It means, like mother, like son.
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    Nov 18, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnews saidare they ever going to do a study on what makes people heterosexuals? folks are assuming that heterosexuality is normal because of the whole procreation factor.

    "Normal" doesn't really have any meaning but, I'm sorry to say it, heterosexuality sure is BETTER if for no other reason than a much larger mating pool.
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    Nov 18, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    is there a study that says why I like the color blue and the taste of dark chocolate?
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    Nov 18, 2013 11:35 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnews saidare they ever going to do a study on what makes people heterosexuals? folks are assuming that heterosexuality is normal because of the whole procreation factor.

    "Normal" and "Predominant" are not synonymous.
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    Nov 18, 2013 11:37 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter said
    thebearerofbadnews saidare they ever going to do a study on what makes people heterosexuals? folks are assuming that heterosexuality is normal because of the whole procreation factor.

    "Normal" doesn't really have any meaning but, I'm sorry to say it, heterosexuality sure is BETTER if for no other reason than a much larger mating pool.

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    Nov 18, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
    we cant all be heterosexual...the talented people cant all be burdened with children and bourgeois domestic duties.
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    Nov 19, 2013 12:35 AM GMT
    all theory. the basic "can lead to" is not as definitive as "will always 100% lead to..." etc. etc. i guess an interesting lead, but i think can provide false hope to those who are seeking the "why am i gay?" question.
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    Nov 19, 2013 12:48 AM GMT
    QUOTEHomosexuality is nevertheless common for men and women in most cultures


    For some reason this made me dismiss the entire study.
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    Nov 19, 2013 12:53 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    QUOTEHomosexuality is nevertheless common for men and women in most cultures


    For some reason this made me dismiss the entire study.

    Yeah I found that somewhat dubious also. Maybe by 'common' they meant 'commonly accepted', because in the world of psych no one would say it's common, just that it's commonly accepted (in the sense of not being a disorder).
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    Nov 19, 2013 1:01 AM GMT
    juvenescences said
    charlitos said
    QUOTEHomosexuality is nevertheless common for men and women in most cultures


    For some reason this made me dismiss the entire study.

    Yeah I found that somewhat dubious also. Maybe by 'common' they meant 'commonly accepted', because in the world of psych no one would say it's common, just that it's commonly accepted (in the sense of not being a disorder).


    I'm not sure is the statement refers to cultural "acceptance" since there are about 82 nations where homosexuality is criminalized and far more places where while it is not a crime it is still not socially accepted. I think the article was definitely referring to occurrence rather than acceptance and that is just a stupid thing to say.
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    charlitos said
    juvenescences said
    charlitos said
    QUOTEHomosexuality is nevertheless common for men and women in most cultures


    For some reason this made me dismiss the entire study.

    Yeah I found that somewhat dubious also. Maybe by 'common' they meant 'commonly accepted', because in the world of psych no one would say it's common, just that it's commonly accepted (in the sense of not being a disorder).


    I'm not sure is the statement refers to cultural "acceptance" since there are about 82 nations where homosexuality is criminalized and far more places where while it is not a crime it is still not socially accepted. I think the article was definitely referring to occurrence rather than acceptance and that is just a stupid thing to say.

    Agreed!
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    Nov 19, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
    juvenescences said
    charlitos said
    juvenescences said
    charlitos said
    QUOTEHomosexuality is nevertheless common for men and women in most cultures


    For some reason this made me dismiss the entire study.

    Yeah I found that somewhat dubious also. Maybe by 'common' they meant 'commonly accepted', because in the world of psych no one would say it's common, just that it's commonly accepted (in the sense of not being a disorder).


    I'm not sure is the statement refers to cultural "acceptance" since there are about 82 nations where homosexuality is criminalized and far more places where while it is not a crime it is still not socially accepted. I think the article was definitely referring to occurrence rather than acceptance and that is just a stupid thing to say.

    Agreed!


    This has nothing to do with cultural acceptance. It's simply stating that no matter where you look you will find a number of same sex attracted individuals.

    They didn't say race since race is a social term not adequately defining groups consistently.

    They could have said something like, "...no matter how you group humans, a percentage will (statistically) end up being homosexual..."

    the Epigenetics simply explains how this happens over generations.

    The findings are based on mathematical modeling. I imagine the next step will be to study sample groups of humans to see if the math pans out.
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    Nov 19, 2013 1:46 AM GMT
    "... when these epi-marks are transmitted across generations from fathers to daughters or mothers to sons, they may cause reversed effects, such as the feminization of some traits in sons, such as sexual preference, and similarly a partial masculinization of daughters."

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    Nov 19, 2013 2:20 AM GMT
    Clive Owen reprises his role in "Children of Men 2," where mankind again faces extinction in a childless world when an evil geneticist's plan to wipe out homosexuality through gene manipulation backfires, turning the globe's male population gay and rendering females sterile.
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    Nov 19, 2013 2:23 AM GMT
    Hmmm, I'm just interested to see if with all these findings they end up finding a 'cure' per se'.

    Anyway my honest belief is that homosexuality isn't really pre-determined or genetically created or at least genetics isn't the sole factor for sexual preference.
    I think a lot of it has to do with choice as well as external environmental and social factors.

    There are many instances of people who have 'started' heterosexual and later in life have found themselves to become homosexual.
    I don't know if there are studies to show these 'homosexual' genetics can trigger later in someone's life thereby explaining the above instance, or even bisexual 'genes'.

    I wouldn't go as far as to say they are 'fake gays' or anything like that because I'm sure there are those who have successful loving relationships in their previous heterosexual relationships and their now homosexual ones.

    Even in regards to feminisation or masculinsation of particular traits in sons and daughters, I honestly don't believe that is genetically or epi-genetically predetermined.
    A lot of behavioural patterns and developments have a lot to do with external influences.

    I know of someone who is now in a gay relationship with my cousin but she was married before to man.
    We were talking about this whole genetics thing one time and she told me how she was very much happily married and in love with her then husband; he unfortunately died and I wasn't going to ask her how.
    Anyway she didn't have a relationship for ages after that apparently and then she met my cousin and blah blah, they are together now and really happy with each other.

    It just got me thinking that it can't be purely based on genetics because I'm sure there are other stories like this.
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    Nov 19, 2013 2:57 AM GMT
    Homosexuality is a culture definition of a natural behavior. Trying to find a biological motive for it as useless as trying to find a biological motive for lying out in the sun.
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    Nov 19, 2013 3:02 AM GMT
    The article states that the persistence of homosexuality defies Darwin's theory of evolution. I have to disagree. I think homosexuality ensures population control and promotes the species to flourish.
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    Nov 19, 2013 3:05 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    QUOTEHomosexuality is nevertheless common for men and women in most cultures


    For some reason this made me dismiss the entire study.


    Actually there is a tribe in Africa where the existance of homosexuality is virtually unheard of.


    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849


    FireDoor211 saidThe article states that the persistence of homosexuality defies Darwin's theory of evolution. I have to disagree. I think homosexuality ensures population control and promotes the species to flourish.


    That's a stupid theory.
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    Nov 19, 2013 3:13 AM GMT
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    charlitos said
    QUOTEHomosexuality is nevertheless common for men and women in most cultures


    For some reason this made me dismiss the entire study.


    Actually there is a tribe in Africa where the existance of homosexuality is virtually unheard of.


    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849


    FireDoor211 saidThe article states that the persistence of homosexuality defies Darwin's theory of evolution. I have to disagree. I think homosexuality ensures population control and promotes the species to flourish.


    That's a stupid theory.

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    Nov 19, 2013 3:20 AM GMT
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    Our recruitment department has obviously been slacking.icon_evil.gif


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    Nov 19, 2013 3:28 AM GMT
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    thebearerofbadnews saidare they ever going to do a study on what makes people heterosexuals? folks are assuming that heterosexuality is normal because of the whole procreation factor.

    "Normal" and "Predominant" are not synonymous.


    Not to be a dick, because I totally understand your point... But purely for argument sake, predominance tends to justify and define normal. What occurs in highest frequency tends to become the baseline, particularly with regards to behavior. What we hope to do is decouple "not normal" from "not acceptable" when it comes to sexual orientation, like we've done with blue eyes, red hair, left handedness in other areas.
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    Nov 19, 2013 3:29 AM GMT
    On this subject, what does everyone think?

    Most of us recall an interest in guys for as long as we can remember, but there often seems to be parallels between family dynamics. Odd.