Vicious fighting over gay marriage

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    Nov 18, 2013 7:58 PM GMT
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24990658

    "Liz Cheney, a candidate for a US Senate seat, told Fox News Sunday she believed in the "traditional" definition of marriage. The remarks prompted her sister Mary Cheney, who is married to a woman, to post on Facebook: "You're just wrong." The two sisters have reportedly not spoken in several months. Mr Cheney himself said in 2011 "he didn't have any problem with" same-sex marriage."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2013/11/18/liz-cheney-gay-marriage-sister-facebook/3625829/

    "Talk about a family feud: Former vice president Dick Cheney's daughters are having a heated disagreement over same-sex marriage that's playing out on TV and Facebook."
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    Nov 18, 2013 8:26 PM GMT
    Sounds like a typical verbal exchange between family members. I don't see where the word "vicious" is applicable.
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    Nov 18, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
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    Allegedly, Liz approved of her sister's marriage in private, but in public she is against gay marriage. It's a voting game and an appeal to "Christian" values. It's vicious because they are not speaking to one another.

    "The feud reveals tensions not just within the family but in the Republican Party more broadly as it seeks to respond to both a changing America and an energized, fervently conservative base."
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    Why do people start forum discussions if they're just going to hide their profile. That's like starting a conversation and then walking away. How rude. Get some balls and leave your profile active or just delete it….geezzzzzicon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 18, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
    Oeaseaux saidhttp://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/within-cheney-family-a-dispute-over-gay-marriage/?_r=0

    Allegedly, Liz approved of her sister's marriage in private, but in public she is against gay marriage. It's a voting game and an appeal to "Christian" values. It's vicious because they are not speaking to one another.

    "The feud reveals tensions not just within the family but in the Republican Party more broadly as it seeks to respond to both a changing America and an energized, fervently conservative base."

    The fervent conservative base stands for greed above all else.
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    Nov 18, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
    Erik101 saidSounds like a typical verbal exchange between family members. I don't see where the word "vicious" is applicable.


    Isn't "Cheney" a synonym for "vicious?"
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    Nov 18, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
    From the Daily Kos:

    Looks like there's trouble in the Cheney clan. Liz Cheney is running for something, and in the Republican party running for something means you're against gay marriage, even though her own sister is gay. Her father Dick is not running for anything anymore, which means he has been freed to have a non-scummy opinion on the subject—and really, when noted torture-of-prisoners advocate Dick Cheney is not a gigantic asshole about something, it stands out. So now we get to watch the spectacle of Dick and Lynne Cheney releasing a public statement distancing themselves from their campaigning daughter.

    "This is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years, and we are pained to see it become public. Since it has, one thing should be clear. Liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage. She has also treated her sister and her sister's family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done. Compassion is called for, even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter and Liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to distort her position."

    I like how they preemptively defend Liz from the notion that she's just pretending to be an intolerant ass on the subject. Oh no, dear Republicans, we assure you Liz has always been an intolerant ass about this. For years! She just swallows her bile in front of her sister, most of the time, because family and whatnot.

    Put this up as another reason you probably never want to eat dinner with the Cheney family on Thanksgiving. That is probably going to be one, er, interesting evening. (And I hope they're not going to be cooking anyone we know.)
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    Nov 18, 2013 11:00 PM GMT
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    "The feud reveals tensions not just within the family but in the Republican Party more broadly as it seeks to respond to both a changing America and an energized, fervently conservative base."
    The fervent conservative base stands for greed above all else.[/quote]

    Greed Over People
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    Nov 18, 2013 11:02 PM GMT
    Their "being pained to see it become public" speaks volumes about where they really stand. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 18, 2013 11:05 PM GMT
    Oeaseaux saidhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24990658

    "Liz Cheney, a candidate for a US Senate seat, told Fox News Sunday she believed in the "traditional" definition of marriage. The remarks prompted her sister Mary Cheney, who is married to a woman, to post on Facebook: "You're just wrong." The two sisters have reportedly not spoken in several months. Mr Cheney himself said in 2011 "he didn't have any problem with" same-sex marriage."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2013/11/18/liz-cheney-gay-marriage-sister-facebook/3625829/

    "Talk about a family feud: Former vice president Dick Cheney's daughters are having a heated disagreement over same-sex marriage that's playing out on TV and Facebook."

    I wonder if this was the problem between Joan Fontaine and Olivia de Havilland? icon_razz.gif
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    Nov 18, 2013 11:47 PM GMT
    It's hilarious how many arch Conservative curmudgeons have gay kids.
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    Nov 19, 2013 1:08 AM GMT
    It cdn't happen to a nastier family!

    Bud in Oregon
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    Nov 19, 2013 1:10 AM GMT
    kt8320 saidFrom the Daily Kos:

    Looks like there's trouble in the Cheney clan. Liz Cheney is running for something, and in the Republican party running for something means you're against gay marriage, even though her own sister is gay. Her father Dick is not running for anything anymore, which means he has been freed to have a non-scummy opinion on the subject—and really, when noted torture-of-prisoners advocate Dick Cheney is not a gigantic asshole about something, it stands out. So now we get to watch the spectacle of Dick and Lynne Cheney releasing a public statement distancing themselves from their campaigning daughter.

    "This is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years, and we are pained to see it become public. Since it has, one thing should be clear. Liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage. She has also treated her sister and her sister's family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done. Compassion is called for, even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter and Liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to distort her position."

    I like how they preemptively defend Liz from the notion that she's just pretending to be an intolerant ass on the subject. Oh no, dear Republicans, we assure you Liz has always been an intolerant ass about this. For years! She just swallows her bile in front of her sister, most of the time, because family and whatnot.

    I bet they cook the Decider Bush plenty at the dinner table.

    Put this up as another reason you probably never want to eat dinner with the Cheney family on Thanksgiving. That is probably going to be one, er, interesting evening. (And I hope they're not going to be cooking anyone we know.)
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    Nov 19, 2013 3:17 AM GMT
    Elusium saidIt's hilarious how many arch Conservative curmudgeons have gay kids.


    If liberals had a prenatal test for gays, many of us would have been aborted.
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    Nov 19, 2013 3:43 AM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    Elusium saidIt's hilarious how many arch Conservative curmudgeons have gay kids.


    If liberals had a prenatal test for gays, many of us would have been aborted.

    1. Fear mongering

    2. You think only liberals get abortions? The fact is women from every religious and socioeconomic background get abortions. Liberals reduce abortions by lowering instances of unplanned pregnancies, by promoting sex-ed and contraception.
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    Nov 19, 2013 4:17 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    mx5guynj said
    Elusium saidIt's hilarious how many arch Conservative curmudgeons have gay kids.


    If liberals had a prenatal test for gays, many of us would have been aborted.

    1. Fear mongering

    2. You think only liberals get abortions? The fact is women from every religious and socioeconomic background get abortions. Liberals reduce abortions by lowering instances of unplanned pregnancies, by promoting sex-ed and contraception.


    Why is the abortion rate so much much higher for minority women, you think they're mostly conservative?

    So I guess liberals are only teaching sex-ed and contraception to conservatives.

    Why did Planned Parenthood open a new abortion facility today next to an adoption center in Ft. Worth, TX?

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    Nov 19, 2013 4:22 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Oeaseaux saidhttp://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/within-cheney-family-a-dispute-over-gay-marriage/?_r=0

    Allegedly, Liz approved of her sister's marriage in private, but in public she is against gay marriage. It's a voting game and an appeal to "Christian" values. It's vicious because they are not speaking to one another.

    "The feud reveals tensions not just within the family but in the Republican Party more broadly as it seeks to respond to both a changing America and an energized, fervently conservative base."

    The fervent conservative base stands for greed above all else.


    These comments make HottJoe hotter.
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    Nov 19, 2013 4:28 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    mx5guynj said
    Elusium saidIt's hilarious how many arch Conservative curmudgeons have gay kids.


    If liberals had a prenatal test for gays, many of us would have been aborted.

    Nice try, but liberals aren't the ones who hate us.
    You and your ilk are. Are you even gay?


    I've seriously questioned where some of these posts come from. Also some random blank profiles that start their first thread and just make gays look bad in general -- only perpetuating sereotypes.
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    Nov 19, 2013 4:33 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    mx5guynj said
    Elusium saidIt's hilarious how many arch Conservative curmudgeons have gay kids.


    If liberals had a prenatal test for gays, many of us would have been aborted.

    Nice try, but liberals aren't the ones who hate us.
    You and your ilk are. Are you even gay?


    Huh. Foxes Bill O'Reilly provided the viewing sources tonight for Linda Bloodworth-Thomason's movie “Bridegroom”.

    It's unfortunate that Linda Bloodworth-Thomason is now using interviews about the movie to promote how the Clinton's support gay marriage.A fine example of liberal hypocrisy.

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    Nov 19, 2013 5:07 AM GMT
    blackhawksfan said[quote]

    "The feud reveals tensions not just within the family but in the Republican Party more broadly as it seeks to respond to both a changing America and an energized, fervently conservative base."
    The fervent conservative base stands for greed above all else.


    Greed Over People[/quote]

    Let's look at some GOP and Democrat History:

    1. What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery?

    Republican Party

    2. What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today?

    Republican Party

    3. What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote?

    Republican Party

    4. What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

    Republican Party

    5. What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP?

    Republican Party

    6. What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation?

    Republican Party

    7. What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s?

    Republican Party

    8. What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables?

    Republican Party

    9. What is the Party of President George W. Bush who appointed more blacks to high-level positions than any president in history and who spent record money on education, job training and health care to help black Americans prosper?

    Republican Party

    10. What Party fought to keep blacks in slavery and was the Party of the Ku Klux Klan?

    Democratic Party

    11. What Party from 1870 to 1930 used fraud, whippings, lynching, murder, intimidation, and mutilation to get the black vote, and passed the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws which legalized racial discrimination and denied blacks their rights as citizens?
    Democratic Party

    12. What was the Party of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and President Harry Truman who rejected anti-lynching laws and efforts to establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission?

    Democratic Party

    13. What was the Party of President Lyndon Johnson, who called Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. “that [N-word] preacher” because he opposed the Viet Nam War; and President John F. Kennedy who voted against the 1957 Civil Rights law as a Senator, then as president opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. after becoming president and the FBI investigate Dr. King on suspicion of being a communist?

    Democratic Party

    14. What is the Party of the late Senators Robert Byrd who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, Ernest “Fritz” Hollings who hoisted the Confederate flag over the state capitol in South Carolina while governor, and Ted Kennedy who called black judicial nominees “Neanderthals” while blocking their appointments?

    Democratic Party

    15. What was the Party of President Bill Clinton who failed to fight the terrorists after the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, sent troops to war in Bosnia and Kosovo without Congressional approval, vetoed the Welfare Reform law twice before signing it, and refused to comply with a court order to have shipping companies develop an Affirmative Action Plan?

    Democratic Party

    16. What is the Party of Vice President Al Gore whose father voted against the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960’s, and who lost the 2000 election as confirmed by a second recount of Florida votes by the “Miami Herald” and a consortium of major news organizations and the ruling by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission that blacks were not denied the right to vote?

    Democratic Party

    17. What Party is against school vouchers, against school prayers, and takes the black vote for granted without ever acknowledging their racist past or apologizing for trying to expand slavery, lynching blacks and passing the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws that caused great harm to blacks?

    Democratic Party
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    Nov 19, 2013 5:26 AM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    Elusium saidIt's hilarious how many arch Conservative curmudgeons have gay kids.


    If liberals had a prenatal test for gays, many of us would have been aborted.


    I don't know who this guy is, but that's a nasty fucking comment.
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    Nov 19, 2013 7:35 AM GMT
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    Erik101 saidSounds like a typical verbal exchange between family members. I don't see where the word "vicious" is applicable.


    Isn't "Cheney" a synonym for "vicious?"


    Good point!

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