Can JJ Abrams do no wrong?

  • styrgan

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:15 PM GMT





    Looks like Trek is about to get a much needed makeover. Darker, faster-paced, and more appealing to younger generations and our culture at large. And if there's anything that Abrams is amazing at, it's characterization. Something that Trek has been lacking for twenty years.

    Seems a little comic bookish though.

    At the very least, Zachary Quinto makes a supercute Spock.
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    Dec 05, 2008 11:24 PM GMT
    The enemy in this film is played by Eric Bana. I was never really into him, until seeing him here bald. Freaking HOT!

    Also, Scottie is being played by Simon Peg from 'Sean of the Dead.' Looks like a great movie.
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    Dec 05, 2008 11:44 PM GMT

    FUCK YEAH
  • styrgan

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:44 PM GMT
    underwhere saidThe enemy in this film is played by Eric Bana. I was never really into him, until seeing him here bald. Freaking HOT!


    I didn't even catch that!!!!

    Yeah... Troy was worth a rental just to see Eric Bana in a wrap. Hopefully, he'll show some skin here too.. Although he doesn't look quite as appealing as Zach Quinto with those pointed ears.
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    Dec 05, 2008 11:46 PM GMT
    I didn't know capt. Kirk was so hot when he was young. Swoon
  • EricLA

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:47 PM GMT
    I used to be a pretty big Trekker (Trekkie, whatever). I watched every episode of every show up until Enterprise, but by that point I was burned out. They'd been once too many times to the well.

    I've purposely kept from reading too much about the new movie, but I think I've heard how they're going to set this up so it won't be locked into what's happened before. At least it's plausible.

    As for J.J., I generally like his stuff, but Alias ran out of steam too soon after being reinvented a half-dozen times during its run. Lost is great, but he really doesn't have his hands in it any more, it's all Damon and Carlton at the helm.

    But, I'm hopeful. The trailers look good. I'm open to the reinvention. Cautiously optimistic.
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:50 PM GMT
    From the looks of the preview, it looks like this Star Trek movie will blow away all other TV/Movie versions by leaps and bounds.
  • EricLA

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidFrom the looks of the preview, it looks like this Star Trek movie will blow away all other TV/Movie versions by leaps and bounds.


    Hey, Wrath of Khan was a great movie as was First Contact.
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    Dec 05, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
    I've liked ALL of the characterizations in TREK over the last 40 years. I'm looking forward to this new movie, but I am not looking forward to Abrams' attempts to "reboot" it into a darker, faster-paced genre. There was nothing wrong with STAR TREK in it's original form, otherwise it would not have been so popular for all these years.

    This one is so far removed from what I associate with STAR TREK, that to me it looks more like a STAR WARS-type story with the TREK label slapped-on to try and squeeze more blood out of the franchise.

    If they really want to do STAR TREK right, they need to start writing scripts based on some of the great STAR TREK novels that have been published over the last 30 years, such as STRANGERS FROM THE SKY, or YESTERDAY'S SON / TIME FOR YESTERDAY, or ENTERPRISE, or SPOCK, or FEDERATION, or any one of the Shatnerverse novels or The Captain's Table novels. There's also the new group of Starfleet Corps of Engineers novels that would make great films.

    And I have inside info from a friend who was involved with this new film that will make many fans of the primary shows VERY unhappy with this film's storyline. Unfortunately I can't go into detail.

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  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:55 PM GMT
    Fuck! May 8th. I might be back in Afghanistan again!!!!!!
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:56 PM GMT
    EricLA said, "Hey, Wrath of Khan was a great movie as was First Contact."

    I'm not saying they weren't good. I'm saying that this new movie will be even better by leaps and bounds.
  • drakutis

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:57 PM GMT
    I want a BUFFY movie!!!
  • styrgan

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    TheIStrat saidI didn't know capt. Kirk was so hot when he was young. Swoon


    Are you kidding??

    Do you remember how hot William Shatner was at 34?

    Here's hoping for that Kirk-Spock love scene we've been pleading for
    twenty years!!!!
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    zeebyaboi said, "This one...looks more like a STAR WARS-type story..."

    I thought the same thing, but I don't think that's a bad thing.
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    Dec 05, 2008 11:59 PM GMT
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    Dec 06, 2008 12:14 AM GMT
    For me, the big difference between the STAR WARS and the STAR TREK storytelling style is, STAR WARS is allegory and myth wrapped in action and implausable science fiction. STAR TREK is thoughtful social commentary enhanced with adventure, action, and humor.

    The STAR WARS films are action-driven first, with plot and character close behind. But the ACTION is the prime mover.

    The STAR TREK films and shows use action to PUNCTUATE the story rather than DOMINATE it, and as such they spend much more energy on social commentary and character-driven ideas enhanced by a SOMEWHAT more believable basis in science.

    Part of what I loved about STAR TREK was that it showed us that as humans, we could rise above our petty greeds, jealousies, and needs for war, and grow into something greater, something ready to stand with the better races in our galaxy. It showed us a brighter future than we thought we had in the late 1960's.

    STAR WARS has shown us a much darker, grittier, more unsafe universe where humans are, for the most part, as petty as the Hutts and willing to easily kill each other, even on a planetary scale, in order to achieve power.

    Both are fun things to watch. But as for great life lessons and great things to aspire to, give me Roddenberry's vision of STAR TREK's future every time.
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    Dec 06, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    uh, do no wrong?

    am i the only one that saw cloverfield?
  • EricLA

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    Dec 06, 2008 12:18 AM GMT
    blinktwice4y saiduh, do no wrong?

    am i the only one that saw cloverfield?


    Cloverfield was okay. Sort of Godzilla meet Blair Witch Project. Visually interesting. Story was thin, but didn't need to be that meaty. It was a good popcorn movie, which is what I think it wanted to be.
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    Dec 06, 2008 12:20 AM GMT
    Looking forward to this. I got into Star Trek kind of recently, watched all of the TNG seasons and some episodes of the original. I enjoyed the characters and most of the storylines..I still prefer Picard over Kirk!

    The cast seems to be appropriate except for the guy who is playing Sulu, he's always been in these not even B type of comedies. Zac Quinto as Spock is great though!
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    Dec 06, 2008 12:20 AM GMT
    I can't wait, either. I know William Shatner wasn't happy with the casting, though:



    Also: check out the site here:
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    Dec 06, 2008 12:21 AM GMT
    I try not to watch the trailers. At this rate, they'll dole the whole thing out in bits and pieces before May.

    Anyway, I won't get my hopes up. The last couple of Trek movies were dogs.
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    Dec 06, 2008 12:23 AM GMT
    DigitalGhost_ saidThe cast seems to be appropriate except for the guy who is playing Zulu.


    It's SULU. Hikaru Sulu.
  • styrgan

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    Dec 06, 2008 12:23 AM GMT
    zeebyaboi saidI've liked ALL of the characterizations in TREK over the last 40 years. I'm looking forward to this new movie, but I am not looking forward to Abrams' attempts to "reboot" it into a darker, faster-paced genre. There was nothing wrong with STAR TREK in it's original form, otherwise it would not have been so popular for all these years.

    This one is so far removed from what I associate with STAR TREK, that to me it looks more like a STAR WARS-type story with the TREK label slapped-on to try and squeeze more blood out of the franchise.



    It actually reminds me of BG a little more than Star Wars

    It's unclear just how much of a "reboot" this is going to be. Trek has become dark before, though not really fast-paced.

    For any entertainment to be truly successful over decades, it has to re-invent itself every once in a while. Anything from divas like Cher or Madonna to scifi franchises like Trek and BG. Trek has been unsuccessful in returning to its roots over the last few years. Those roots are simply not in demand except among hardcore fans.

    Art reflects life, and we live in a darker world than the 60's and the 90's. I'm not saying there was anything wrong with Star Trek or TNG. The last two Trek series and movies pretty much flopped though, and I think its appropriate for Paramount to figure out how they're going to take Trek off life support and get it breathing on its own again.

    Hopefully Abrams has enough credibility to fling the franchise forward for twenty years or so.
  • EricLA

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    Dec 06, 2008 12:26 AM GMT
    1969er saidI can't wait, either. I know William Shatner wasn't happy with the casting, though:



    Also: check out the site here:
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    Shatner says a lot of things these days. He's always liked the sound of his own voice. He's pissed because Abrams wouldn't find a way to put him into the movie, but Abrams is being true to the current time line (according to the movies and TV series. Books and comics don't count) -- Kirk is dead.
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    Dec 06, 2008 1:06 AM GMT
    I have never even seen a single episode of Star Trek... Is it kind of like Star Wars?