And this is why smoking isn't good for you

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    Nov 24, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
    http://kstp.com/news/stories/S3226990.shtml
    "A 38-year-old man is dead after a fire broke out in the basement of a home Sunday morning. According to the St. Paul Fire Department, the cause of the fire was "careless smoking in bed." The man died due to smoke inhalation, according to the medical examiner."

    A tragedy. 38 years old and he had his whole life in front of him. If he smoked outside, that guy would still be alive.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/23/san-rafael-smoking-ban_n_4326768.html
    "The California city of San Rafael might be one of the more beautiful places in the country, but if you’re a smoker, it might not be the place for you. Last week, the San Francisco suburb made active a smoking ban that officials say is the strictest in the country, prohibiting smoking cigarettes in your own home."

    http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20131124/COLUMNISTS166/311240048/Griffith-Stop-smoking-give-your-kids-chance-grow-up-healthy
    "The effects of children being around cigarette smoke is undeniable and invasive. Children of parents who smoke cannot escape the toxins, and they pay the price in health, happiness and academic success. I wish it weren’t the case — I know what it is like to be addicted to something (don’t make me give up chocolate), but the struggle of quitting is worth it, and here is why."

    MAIN ARTICLES: http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/nov/20/smoking-drinking-unsafe-sex-health-threat
    "Risky behaviour – smoking, illegal drug use, excessive drinking, unhealthy eating and unsafe sex – is on the rise worldwide and poses a growing threat to health, particularly in poorer countries, according to a World Bank report. Smoking exacts a particularly high toll. Nearly 80% of the 6.3m deaths from smoking in 2010 occurred in middle- and low-income countries, says the Risking Your Health report."

    TARGETING GAY SMOKERS
    http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-lgbt-smoking-20131122,0,1345024.story
    The government should just make it illegal.
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    Nov 24, 2013 10:24 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnews saidbut your name is menthol and menthol is usually associated with cigarettes. icon_neutral.gif


    Yes, menthol is associated with cigarettes, but also in mints, peppermint oil and other oils... and other useful medicines such as soothing your throat. I am just MENTHOL.
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    Nov 24, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
    It's the cigarette companies. Is all they care about profit? They know it is addictive and they are targeting developing countries. How unethical is that? Yet, even in developed countries people still smoke. Even you think smoking is a choice, think back at what age you smoked! Teenagers? You think you looked cool back then. Many smokers started as teenagers and never started in adult life! That is when being a teenager you think you know it all.

    We have all the education in the world, but humans are insufferably stupid. We want to enjoy ourselves. We think we know best because we think we have individual rights. Smokers buy a packet of cigarettes and they are condoning the sale of cigarettes.

    I don't smoke and I have never bought cigarettes.

    The government is also stupid as well. All those taxes. If smoking becomes illegal, what happens to the taxes? Are we going to suffer because we have to pay more for other things?
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    Nov 24, 2013 10:32 PM GMT
    Menthol222 said
    thebearerofbadnews saidbut your name is menthol and menthol is usually associated with cigarettes. icon_neutral.gif


    Yes, menthol is associated with cigarettes, but also in mints, peppermint oil and other oils... and other useful medicines such as soothing your throat. I am just MENTHOL.



    Do you use anything in particular to soothe throats?
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    Nov 24, 2013 11:00 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnewsokay, mr. menthol.

    but anyways, does it really matter? if someone wants to smoke their lungs out with a cancer stick and they're happy doing it, let em. they're going to die anyway whether they smoke or not. same thing with people that drink, overeat, abuse hard drugs and etc. you can't save everybody. besides, if it's not the cigarettes that will kill em, they might get hit by a bus or their house might catch on fire from a short in the circuit or something else. that's life.


    It is life, but I want to be happy too. I am not happy with the way smokers treat life. They know it is not good for them. They litter, they affect people's lives and my life, and they have no regard for other people. If they really cared about their health they would not smoke. Children smoke because they are curious and because adults continue to smoke. We say smoking is bad for them and children complain. But children themselves start smoking too. They don't know any better. The sale of cigarettes is allowed and there are smokers who want children to smoke, so they buy it for them.

    Littering - how hard is it to put the cigarette properly away. Some smokers can't even toss the cigarette butt properly! That is how fires start.

    Second hand smoke - Ok. Many smokers are aware they don't smoke near children. Good. They don't smoke near non-smokers. Good. When they walk and smoke at the same time, they are aware they are causing unnecessary smoke. Good

    It's the just the nature of smokers in the first place. There is no single benefit to smoking whatsoever and they think they enjoy it. I have many friends who smoked and they are ex-smokers and they wished they never started. They wish they could stop smoking. The best thing they did was to quit. So don't take my word for it.

    It is your choice, but what about my choice to breathe? Smokers are affecting my happiness because I want to breathe clean air. Yes, I can move away. If there is a smoker, should I have to be the one to move away? Why should I, a healthy citizen, move away from a smoker because he exercises the individual right to harm himself?

    I saw a teenager the age of 15 smoking. That is sad. Depressing. As a human being I am not happy with the way corporations treat human beings as objects. They treat us like disposable items. Yeah, smokers die early. They don't have pensions. They suffer from health problems. Smokers are good for the economy. But they also HURT the economy. They destroy life. They crave a product knowingly it is bad for them. How is this not twisted?

    I am not happy. As a human being, I am not happy. Knowing that smoking is bad for them and others, how can I not acknowledge that I am not happy?

    Crossing the road is dangerous. But it's not like an addiction. Car pollution? Electric and hydrogen cars are being developed. So don't think nothing is being done about it. Alcohol? Yeah, that is another problem and this thread is about smoking. Obesity? Yes, another problem but this thread is about smoking.
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    Nov 24, 2013 11:27 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnewsso you're dependent on others for your happiness? why? i understand if one of them was close to you BUT why do you give a fuck about other people? maybe you should mind your business and worry about yourself instead of what the next guy is doing. it's not your job to care about other people. it's their responsibility to do that for themselves. i'm pretty sure folks know that smoking is bad for them and they are WARNED about the health effects, yet they chose to smoke. it's their body. you have no right to tell someone else what to do to their body as you have your own to worry about. the only exception is if it's your offspring as their welfare is your responsibility until they are 18.

    that 15 year old that you saw smoking has a mommy and daddy that should be parenting them. apparently, their parents don't care. either way, it's not your problem.

    the thing i don't get is how they basically ban all sorts of drugs like ketamine, pcp, heroin, coke, crack, and all this stuff BUT are cool with cigarette smoke. all drugs should be legal. all this "say no to drugs" and warning people to NOT do drugs when they know that that shit could kill them. there should be education about it and if someone wants to go ahead and mess with crack, cigarettes, and whatever then get addicted to it after the fact... that's on them. addiction is a disease and if you want to get put on to it knowing what lies ahead, do it.

    hey..... samuel l. jackson used to smoke crack and look @ him today. i'm 100 percent sure that he has to work hard everyday to stay clean because he'll go right back to doing it since it's a disease. same thing with cigarette smokers. they just CAN'T quit and even if they quit, they have to work hard everyday to not go back to that. they have to live with that shit.


    I know someone who has kids and she would not allow any smoker to be near her child. She stopped smoking because she has kids now. It's not just about me. It's my problem too because people have asthma and sometimes I have difficulty breathing when smokers are huddled outside entrances.

    Smokers affect other people too and they affect me. So I am concerned about my health.
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    Nov 24, 2013 11:44 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnewswell, the irony is that you're basically stressing yourself out worrying about other people and stress kills more people than cigarette smoke.


    thebearerofbadnews, if it means helping others to breathe easier I would be so happy knowing I have helped them. Seeing someone with asthma having to breathe through cigarette smoke is not a good sight. Everyone has a right to live.

    Let's compare someone with asthma and a smoker. The asthma patient is healthy but suffers from asthma. A smoker is also "healthy" but he smokes maybe one cigarette a day. Yet both have the right to live. But the smoker has made a lifestyle choice whereas the asthma sufferer has not. He did not choose to have asthma.

    The smoker buys a packet of cigarettes so he can enjoy it. The asthma sufferer has to use an inhaler so his/her lungs can breathe. Cigarettes are not necessities, but the inhaler is.

    Both are in the minority, the asthma sufferer and the smoker. Yet the smoker screams individual rights, but the asthma sufferer suffers in silence.

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    Nov 24, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
    I want to make the world a better place, but I can't do it alone. We live in a world where we have to share ideas and live together. I can't be selfish and think of only myself.
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    Nov 24, 2013 11:55 PM GMT
    "well, believe it or not. you're selfish FOR trying to tell people what to do with themselves. you can try to shame people all you want with this thread but it's not going to stop people from smoking. that's just life."

    So you are just going sit there and do nothing? You won't save lives because it is selfish?

    Let's do another example. Why are there HIV activists? We can't tell people what to do and what to wear. But we still do it anyway! We still raise awareness. We still advise people. We inform people.

    We still fight for gay rights. We still fight for gay marriage because it is right. But we still do it anyway.

    What's right is right.

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    Nov 25, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    Menthol222 saidI want to make the world a better place, but I can't do it alone. We live in a world where we have to share ideas and live together. I can't be selfish and think of only myself.

    I don't think full on prohibition will work for tobacco, but I wonder about banning additives in cigarettes. If cigarettes were made with all natural tobacco then they would be less addictive. I still wouldn't want them, but I'm pro weed and I'd hate to see chemicals added to weed that made it physically addictive.

    Btw, if your goal is to make the world a better place, you should focus on climate change. People have been using tobacco and alcohol for thousands of years. Greenhouse gases are new and they actually threaten us as a species.
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    Nov 25, 2013 12:15 AM GMT
    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/21/health/smoking-last-cigarette-irpt/
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    Nov 25, 2013 12:18 AM GMT
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    Menthol222 saidI want to make the world a better place, but I can't do it alone. We live in a world where we have to share ideas and live together. I can't be selfish and think of only myself.

    I don't think full on prohibition will work for tobacco, but I wonder about banning additives in cigarettes. If cigarettes were made with all natural tobacco then they would be less addictive. I still wouldn't want them, but I'm pro weed and I'd hate to see chemicals added to weed that made it physically addictive.

    Btw, if your goal is to make the world a better place, you should focus on climate change. People have been using tobacco and alcohol for thousands of years. Greenhouse gases are new and they actually threaten us as a species.


    Yeah, I am also focusing on them...
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    This whole thread makes me seem evil and cruel. I am not restricting people from doing what they want to do. But I am basing this from ex-smokers, current smokers and non-smokers. They all want the same. They all want to quit.

    I am all for e-cigs too, because they are less harmful.

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    Nov 25, 2013 7:06 AM GMT
    I thought I'd gotten some smoke in my eyes, but no. It was a blinding halo flash. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Nov 25, 2013 7:12 AM GMT
    Menthol222 said
    thebearerofbadnews saidbut your name is menthol and menthol is usually associated with cigarettes. icon_neutral.gif


    Yes, menthol is associated with cigarettes, but also in mints, peppermint oil and other oils... and other useful medicines such as soothing your throat. I am just MENTHOL.


    When I think of menthol I think fresh breath.
    And that's always good!

    Aaaaaahh..... icon_cool.gif
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    Nov 25, 2013 7:19 AM GMT
    thebearerofbadnews said
    Menthol222 said"well, believe it or not. you're selfish FOR trying to tell people what to do with themselves. you can try to shame people all you want with this thread but it's not going to stop people from smoking. that's just life."

    So you are just going sit there and do nothing? You won't save lives because it is selfish?

    Let's do another example. Why are there HIV activists? We can't tell people what to do and what to wear. But we still do it anyway! We still raise awareness. We still advise people. We inform people.

    We still fight for gay rights. We still fight for gay marriage because it is right. But we still do it anyway.

    What's right is right.



    and saving a life by basically asserting what you want for them by bullying them into saying no to cigarettes is going to do what exactly?

    only thing that you're going to do is make yourself look like an ass. control your own life instead of someone elses.

    what you're doing isn't right BUT just plain wrong.


    Wow now I've heard everything, trying to get people to stop smoking is bullying, the effects of smoking on the smoker and innocent others in the area is proven toxic but don't do anything about it.

    Well state and federal governments already have started bullying smokers and more needs to be done. The rights of individuals who exercise those rights in a way that infringes on the rights of others (second hand smoke, increased health costs) lose their right.

    Oh to answer your question, as dumb as it is, making them stop smoking will save and prolong their life. That's all, no big deal, yah what an ass... And you don't catch cancer
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    Nov 25, 2013 9:28 PM GMT
    Tecnically I dont feel sorry for most smokers, due to the fact they they wernt born with a cigarette in there mouth, they didnt have there arm twisted to make them smoke, and they made that stupid decision on there own. So anything that happens to them smoking related, is there problem.... I never smoked. My father smoked a pipe but that didnt make me start smoking one. I did 12 yrs in the USN and that didnt make me start smoking, so I guess I did a good thing growing up ignoring most of the nasty habits that people do, including drinking as well.. To which i dont do either..
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    Nov 25, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    davidingeorgia saidTecnically I dont feel sorry for most smokers, due to the fact they they wernt born with a cigarette in there mouth, they didnt have there arm twisted to make them smoke, and they made that stupid decision on there own. So anything that happens to them smoking related, is there problem.... I never smoked. My father smoked a pipe but that didnt make me start smoking one. I did 12 yrs in the USN and that didnt make me start smoking, so I guess I did a good thing growing up ignoring most of the nasty habits that people do, including drinking as well.. To which i dont do either..


    I don't feel sorry for smokers either. If they want to light up, let them. They've chosen the health consequences associated with it and if that's what they want, have at it!