Barebacking, porn & The Gay "community"

  • WApilot

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    Nov 25, 2013 5:38 PM GMT
    So, this has always been a pet peeve of mine and I'm curious about the thought processes of others and their opinions on the matter.

    Personally, I believe barebacking is a personal choice and when you make that choice, you know the risks that come with it. When it comes to porn, it's all a fantasy, porn is not a how-to-guide to sex, nor should porn actors be looked up to for sexual advice (in regards to what they display on film) or looked up to a roll models.

    What gets me, are the borderline hateful, "queeny" comments from gay men on barebacking movies with notable porn actors. It seems whenever a model does a barebacking scene, every loses their shit and starts down talking the model and questioning their HIV status. It's funny, just because someone has sex without a condom, DOESN'T automatically mean they will contract HIV or some other STI, so long as the proper precautions are taken beforehand. But without that being said, WHO CARES? If... Shay Michaels or Brad Kalvo or Bo Dean barebacks in their films. If you don't like barebacking, why watch the scenes and then complain about it? You may not like it, but other people do.

    From comment sections it seems some of these commentators are putting the entire problems the LGBT community face onto the backs of the porn industry Michaels. Which is laughable. I, the other day was reading the comments from Arpad Miklos' (RIP) SG4GE scene, in which he had sex with a woman... UNPROTECTED!!!! OMG call out the "queen" police.

    People were angry with that scene and felt he sent the wrong image that to be 'gay' you can become straight, not to mention him not wearing a condom in the scene.

    It's not news that some of these models do not wear condoms in their personal life but certain studios promote condom usage and require that their models not ever have done or will do a barebacking scene on film. Which is a joke to me, because, the image of a condom on film is just a vale over the eyes of people to assume that safe sex is always happening and to appease those individuals that are dead set about putting their opinions and fears on film.

    Granted, HIV is a major problem and more education should be taken to understand the virus, but honestly people. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, if someone gets HIV because they're copying something they saw on film, then that's on them... also, you're almost making the comparison that things like violent video games and movies cause mass shootings...

    If you don't like it, don't watch and let those who do, enjoy in piece without the need for discussion of HIV/AIDS and the status of the performer as if they're a disgusting human being. I know a lot of these guys that have done BB porn and let me tell you, they're clean and they're very mindful of their status and the status of their scene partners. We don't want people to judge us, well how about we not judge them.giphy.gif
  • Timbales

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    Nov 25, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    Porn isn't a fantasy. It's not Lord of the Rings or Avatar. it's people actually fucking - in reality. They shouldn't be in a position to take unnecessary risks for a viewers enjoyment any more than a stunt man would in an action movie.
  • WApilot

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    Nov 25, 2013 7:13 PM GMT
    Timbales saidPorn isn't a fantasy. It's not Lord of the Rings or Avatar. it's people actually fucking - in reality. They shouldn't be in a position to take unnecessary risks for a viewers enjoyment any more than a stunt man would in an action movie.



    But in reality, it's that stunt man, who's entire body is on fire (Halloween 2), it's that stunt man that's swimming with sharks (Jaws)... all for the viewers enjoyment of a fantasy world that isn't true.

    Porn is the same thing, a world is created at which these actors... yes, they're actors, are apart of to give the perception of reality. They just also have sex in the process. But their risks, are not our risks and is simply for the entertainment and enjoyment of the viewer. Many people have likes and dislikes, fetishes, will have you. Just because that particular fetish doesn't get your rocks off, doesn't mean that others attest to your way of thinking and shouldn't be demonized for it either.

    Two... or more, consenting adults partaking in adult subject matter is the responsibility of those adults and those adults alone.
  • Latenight30

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    Nov 25, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    I agree with WA Pilot- as adults you have the choice in the bed room or the board room (porn stage) to make the choice that is right for you. I think everyone needs to get out of everyone else's business. Window washers have a dangerous job, so do riggers, military and police.
    Live and let fuck.
  • memphis

    Posts: 19

    Nov 25, 2013 8:43 PM GMT
    Gay men have a lot of personal reasons to have strong opinions about sex and disease. There's so much trauma associated with being gay already and then add an incurable and deadly disease on top of it. Cut people a little slack on this one. You don't know what sort of experiences they've had.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 26, 2013 12:07 AM GMT
    WApilot said
    Timbales saidPorn isn't a fantasy. It's not Lord of the Rings or Avatar. it's people actually fucking - in reality. They shouldn't be in a position to take unnecessary risks for a viewers enjoyment any more than a stunt man would in an action movie.



    But in reality, it's that stunt man, who's entire body is on fire (Halloween 2), it's that stunt man that's swimming with sharks (Jaws)... all for the viewers enjoyment of a fantasy world that isn't true.

    Porn is the same thing, a world is created at which these actors... yes, they're actors, are apart of to give the perception of reality. They just also have sex in the process. But their risks, are not our risks and is simply for the entertainment and enjoyment of the viewer. Many people have likes and dislikes, fetishes, will have you. Just because that particular fetish doesn't get your rocks off, doesn't mean that others attest to your way of thinking and shouldn't be demonized for it either.

    Two... or more, consenting adults partaking in adult subject matter is the responsibility of those adults and those adults alone.


    Stuntmen are protected from reasonable harm and use safety equipment. There isn't the option of a film studio saying "Hey, we'll give you an extra grand if you jump off the building and really land on the ground."

    I don't care if people don't like it or not. If someone needs to see barebacking in porn to get off, I think they are a selfish, sick fuck.
  • WApilot

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    Nov 26, 2013 1:47 AM GMT
    Timbales said
    WApilot said
    Timbales saidPorn isn't a fantasy. It's not Lord of the Rings or Avatar. it's people actually fucking - in reality. They shouldn't be in a position to take unnecessary risks for a viewers enjoyment any more than a stunt man would in an action movie.



    But in reality, it's that stunt man, who's entire body is on fire (Halloween 2), it's that stunt man that's swimming with sharks (Jaws)... all for the viewers enjoyment of a fantasy world that isn't true.

    Porn is the same thing, a world is created at which these actors... yes, they're actors, are apart of to give the perception of reality. They just also have sex in the process. But their risks, are not our risks and is simply for the entertainment and enjoyment of the viewer. Many people have likes and dislikes, fetishes, will have you. Just because that particular fetish doesn't get your rocks off, doesn't mean that others attest to your way of thinking and shouldn't be demonized for it either.

    Two... or more, consenting adults partaking in adult subject matter is the responsibility of those adults and those adults alone.


    Stuntmen are protected from reasonable harm and use safety equipment. There isn't the option of a film studio saying "Hey, we'll give you an extra grand if you jump off the building and really land on the ground."

    I don't care if people don't like it or not. If someone needs to see barebacking in porn to get off, I think they are a selfish, sick fuck.





    In the porn industry, if it's not a shady studio, protect their performers and have rigorous standards to how they test their performers. There's this misconception that some studios don't test their models, which is not true.

    To be honest, most gay porn actors in the big roles know their statuses and the status of their on-scene partners more than you know about yourself. You're making a judgement upon them without having the full information of what actually goes on. ALSO, accidents do happen on mainstream movie sets. On the set of "Back to the Future 2" one of the female stunt persons broke a few ribs and ended up in the hospital due to faulty wiring during the court house scene where Biff's gang had went through the glass windows. (BTW, I'm a movie buff)

    Also, if watching bareback porn makes a person selfish, then so be it... people probably would say that about gay people in general. Oh wait, they do.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 26, 2013 2:00 AM GMT
    You are mistaken. I'm not judging the performers. I'm judging the audience and the studios producing it.
  • JohnWoodHill

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    Nov 26, 2013 7:44 AM GMT
    Timbales saidYou are mistaken. I'm not judging the performers. I'm judging the audience and the studios producing it.


    Don't normally do this, such acts of internet debating is quite the waste of energy and time, but I have read a few of your post and all I have to say is: do you ever plan on getting off your high horse
  • jo2hotbod

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    Nov 26, 2013 11:31 AM GMT
    There is nothing like BB and you can only hope that those who do it have made the proper considerations and taken the necessary precautions
  • WApilot

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    Nov 26, 2013 7:52 PM GMT
    jo2hotbod saidThere is nothing like BB and you can only hope that those who do it have made the proper considerations and taken the necessary precautions


    Very true. Education and precautions should take place if one wants to do barebacking.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 27, 2013 2:46 AM GMT
    JohnWoodHill said
    Timbales saidYou are mistaken. I'm not judging the performers. I'm judging the audience and the studios producing it.


    Don't normally do this, such acts of internet debating is quite the waste of energy and time, but I have read a few of your post and all I have to say is: do you ever plan on getting off your high horse


    Nope. I don't think bareback porn should be legally allowed, either in gay or straight versions. I think it's reprehensible that it's fine to tell someone "I'll pay you more if you take this unnecessary risk." and I think if someone needs porn to be bareback to get off, they aren't right in the head.
  • WApilot

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    Nov 27, 2013 6:48 PM GMT
    Timbales said
    JohnWoodHill said
    Timbales saidYou are mistaken. I'm not judging the performers. I'm judging the audience and the studios producing it.


    Don't normally do this, such acts of internet debating is quite the waste of energy and time, but I have read a few of your post and all I have to say is: do you ever plan on getting off your high horse


    Nope. I don't think bareback porn should be legally allowed, either in gay or straight versions. I think it's reprehensible that it's fine to tell someone "I'll pay you more if you take this unnecessary risk." and I think if someone needs porn to be bareback to get off, they aren't right in the head.


    But it's a risk that, that person is willing to take. Now, I don't know about those guys out there whom are "bug seekers", that's a different category all by itself but individuals whom choose to partake in barebacking simply because they enjoy sex without an inhibitions, how is that wrong, when it's their personal choice?

  • Timbales

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    Nov 27, 2013 7:26 PM GMT
    WApilot said

    But it's a risk that, that person is willing to take. Now, I don't know about those guys out there whom are "bug seekers", that's a different category all by itself but individuals whom choose to partake in barebacking simply because they enjoy sex without an inhibitions, how is that wrong, when it's their personal choice?



    Would you say it's alright for a factory to hire a worker and say "You're going to be working in a loud environment and with chemicals that have been shown to cause cancer. We'll pay you more money if you forego hearing protection, a vaporizer and chemical gloves?"

    That would be illegal and immoral. To me, it's the same thing with bareback porn.
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    Nov 27, 2013 7:58 PM GMT
    Honestly I don't think gay men worry about diseases as much as they should. My friend had bareback group sex, I was shocked when he told me. He says that as long as he doesn't get HIV he doesn't care about the rest of the diseases. He was on an HIV scare a while ago, but I don't know if contracted or not. Other gays says that they don't do condoms because they don't get pregnant and some of my friends have had bareback sex because the other guy said he couldn't keep an erection with condoms. I understand sex is good and when you are horny in the moment you just wanna get it on, but I think people should have some priorities. I have bareback sex with my partner, but we are throughly tested for all STDs (HIV, Hep C, Syphilis, Herpes, HPV, Chlemedya and gonorrhea) and we are monogamous.

    I would understand bareback with a trustworthy boyfriend, but never with a fwb or stranger.
  • Apparition

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    Nov 29, 2013 4:40 AM GMT
    Just to point out the obvious...if it wasnt for bb none of you would be here. So at least in some cases it was useful.
    Remember, your sweet little old mother liked the meat raw and wet.
  • WApilot

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    Nov 29, 2013 6:16 AM GMT
    lulubell saidHonestly I don't think gay men worry about diseases as much as they should. My friend had bareback group sex, I was shocked when he told me. He says that as long as he doesn't get HIV he doesn't care about the rest of the diseases. He was on an HIV scare a while ago, but I don't know if contracted or not. Other gays says that they don't do condoms because they don't get pregnant and some of my friends have had bareback sex because the other guy said he couldn't keep an erection with condoms. I understand sex is good and when you are horny in the moment you just wanna get it on, but I think people should have some priorities. I have bareback sex with my partner, but we are throughly tested for all STDs (HIV, Hep C, Syphilis, Herpes, HPV, Chlemedya and gonorrhea) and we are monogamous.

    I would understand bareback with a trustworthy boyfriend, but never with a fwb or stranger.


    I think what you're getting into with your friends experience is reckless behavior. He's getting himself into situations that could potentially be hazardous to his health and he's not taking the proper precautions even after a scare to minimize the potential affects.

    In that type of situation, your friend is being irresponsible. But his reckless experiences in no way is a representation of a mass of people. I bareback, only with my significant other. We get tested and have great communication between each other in that if something is wrong, we talk first. Were monogamous too and we've said to each other that if one happens to step out of the relationship, at least wear a condom and be honest about the hook-up... which knowing both of us, you'd know hooking-up with other people will never happen.
  • WApilot

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    Nov 29, 2013 6:18 AM GMT
    Timbales said
    WApilot said

    But it's a risk that, that person is willing to take. Now, I don't know about those guys out there whom are "bug seekers", that's a different category all by itself but individuals whom choose to partake in barebacking simply because they enjoy sex without an inhibitions, how is that wrong, when it's their personal choice?



    Would you say it's alright for a factory to hire a worker and say "You're going to be working in a loud environment and with chemicals that have been shown to cause cancer. We'll pay you more money if you forego hearing protection, a vaporizer and chemical gloves?"

    That would be illegal and immoral. To me, it's the same thing with bareback porn.


    Still comes back to personal responsibility. The person is told the risk and they knowingly continue into that risky behavior. That's not the fault of the company if the person agrees to it... but in regards to porn, it really is a personal choice at which nobody is being forced with a gun to their head. If they do bareback, it's their choice and their choice alone.
  • theonewhoknoc...

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    Nov 29, 2013 6:42 AM GMT
    If I'm in a long-term relationship with someone, assuming he isn't a cheating whore, the only reason why I wouldn't do bareback is the fecal factor
  • Puppymuncher

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    Dec 18, 2013 1:59 AM GMT
    Timbales saidPorn isn't a fantasy. It's not Lord of the Rings or Avatar. it's people actually fucking - in reality. They shouldn't be in a position to take unnecessary risks for a viewers enjoyment any more than a stunt man would in an action movie.



    Yes it is, porn IS a fantasy. Why else would you watch 2 people you don't know have sex? It's because you fantasize about them fucking.


    And chill. Your unsafe work environment metaphor is irrelevant because..
    1) People choose to have bb sex in real life.
    2) No one's being coerced into it.
    3) It's their own business what they do.


    OP:
    Though what I find surprising is on the other end of the spectrum, where in amateur porn or even studio films, viewers leave behind comments that encourage bb and what a waste of cum it was being dumped into the condom.


    Moral of the story: Don't try to make everyone happy, it never works.