Gay waiter denied tip? Not so fast. Family has proof otherwise.

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    Nov 26, 2013 3:47 PM GMT
    Another side to this story.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/26/21625339-family-disputes-gay-servers-story
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    Nov 26, 2013 3:54 PM GMT
    It's true the issue has now been thrown into doubt. But based on the limited info at this point, there are a number of explanations:

    - The lesbian server invented the story, and wrote the note on the Merchant Copy herself. Though where does the tip appear?
    - The family she served is guilty but is staging a deception to avoid hostile criticism
    - Someone on the restaurant staff altered the credit card entry to create a tip either for them personally or for the restaurant itself, a tip which the family never left

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gay-Server-Tip-Lifestyle-Receipt-Discrepancy-233040811.html
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    Nov 26, 2013 3:57 PM GMT
    Interesting, but different handwriting with the amounts on each bill. It also looks like one bill is time stamped at 19:40 or 15:40 and the one on the right at 19:19...


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    Nov 26, 2013 4:11 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidIt's true the issue has now been thrown into doubt. But based on the limited info at this point, there are a number of explanations:

    - The lesbian server invented the story, and wrote the note on the Merchant Copy herself. Though where does the tip appear?
    - The family she served is guilty but is staging a deception to avoid hostile criticism
    - Someone on the restaurant staff altered the credit card entry to create a tip either for them personally or for the restaurant itself, a tip which the family never left

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gay-Server-Tip-Lifestyle-Receipt-Discrepancy-233040811.html


    The tip is on their credit card statement and their receipt.

    Reread and watch the vid. This is really bad IF the dyke did this.
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    Nov 26, 2013 10:55 PM GMT
    Inquiring minds want the truth! Where's the National Enquirer when you need them! Something just isn't adding up hereā€¦.no pun intended. icon_eek.gificon_eek.gif
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    Nov 26, 2013 10:55 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidI don't think the "dyke" would do this. I think the family is now attempting to save face.


    The only problem with that is they have their credit card statement showing the full tip...

    This is suspicious.

    You can look at the comparison down below the video. I tried posting but it didn't work.

    @ meninlove... If you zoom in on the pictures, the time stamps are both the same.



    My question is that their customer copy shows the tip - well, you can actually write that in later after you get home - who's going to know the difference?

    But how did that get charged on the VISA because the wait person that rings that up inputs that into the system? Someone at the restaurant had to key the tip into the register. It's very weird.

    It may not have been the patrons or the waitress. My guess is maybe another waitress or manager who wanted rid of this employee was trying to cause trouble hoping that she would quit but it sort of backfired.

    It is interesting.
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    Nov 26, 2013 11:04 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidI don't think the "dyke" would do this. I think the family is now attempting to save face.


    I don't think the family had anything to gain. If they hadn't said anything it's unlikely anyone would have known who it was.
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    Nov 26, 2013 11:07 PM GMT
    Anyone can change a receipt, adding in a tip later on - but only on the paper receipt. The proof (for me) is that the full amount with tip included was keyed into the system at the point of payment. You can't go back in and add the tip to the bill later (on the computer) without it being a separate transaction. So - there we have it: If the full amount was keyed into the computer/register originally, and the customer signed the one and only bill - - - plus VISA recorded it and billed the customer for the full amount, the customer left a tip. The VISA bill without the tip and then a second transaction for just the tip alone would have proven the waitress was stiffed. But the fact that the one and only charge to the customer's account showed the tip included at point of sale - - - proves the customer tipped the waitress.
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    Nov 26, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidAnyone can change a receipt, adding in a tip later on - but only on the paper receipt. The proof (for me) is that the full amount with tip included was keyed into the system at the point of payment. You can't go back in and add the tip to the bill later (on the computer) without it being a separate transaction. So - there we have it: If the full amount was keyed into the computer/register originally, and the customer signed the one and only bill - - - plus VISA recorded it and billed the customer for the full amount, the customer left a tip. The VISA bill without the tip and then a second transaction for just the tip alone would have proven the waitress was stiffed. But the fact that the one and only charge to the customer's account showed the tip included at point of sale - - - proves the customer tipped the waitress.


    What I thought!
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    Nov 26, 2013 11:47 PM GMT
    Everyone will be silent now because it no longer serves the narrative of rampant homophobia.
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    Nov 27, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidIt's true the issue has now been thrown into doubt. But based on the limited info at this point, there are a number of explanations:

    - The lesbian server invented the story, and wrote the note on the Merchant Copy herself. Though where does the tip appear?
    - The family she served is guilty but is staging a deception to avoid hostile criticism
    - Someone on the restaurant staff altered the credit card entry to create a tip either for them personally or for the restaurant itself, a tip which the family never left


    There is a fourth option: the original receipt had a tip, and someone in the restaurant decided to keep it, then showed this server a hateful note.

    I am inclined to believe that's the case because of this key passage in the article:

    Original Article:A manager and the restaurant owner insisted they had the original ticket for the $93.55 charge, but would not produce the receipt for NBC 4 New York and could not explain why the family's credit card was charged for more.

    The restaurant later said in a statement it was aware of the allegations and had no comment pending an internal investigation.


    The logic would be that the server mentioned to someone the mishap with "Dan." She may have misinterpreted the couple, who may have genuinely misheard her name, and that's the only thing she recalls being homophobic.

    The person that heard Dayna complain may have heard of similar incidents involving No Tips Left Behind, and either played a prank or just decided to go for the money-grabbing jugular. Then it spiraled out of control.

    (OTOH, the family is pushing it a little when they say they didn't vote for Christie because of gay marriage... Must be the New Jersey version of "...but I have binders full of gay friends!")
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    Nov 27, 2013 12:32 AM GMT
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    Aristoshark saidI don't think the "dyke" would do this. I think the family is now attempting to save face.


    The only problem with that is they have their credit card statement showing the full tip...

    This is suspicious.

    You can look at the comparison down below the video. I tried posting but it didn't work.

    @ meninlove... If you zoom in on the pictures, the time stamps are both the same.



    My question is that their customer copy shows the tip - well, you can actually write that in later after you get home - who's going to know the difference?

    But how did that get charged on the VISA because the wait person that rings that up inputs that into the system? Someone at the restaurant had to key the tip into the register. It's very weird.

    It may not have been the patrons or the waitress. My guess is maybe another waitress or manager who wanted rid of this employee was trying to cause trouble hoping that she would quit but it sort of backfired.

    It is interesting.


    +1.
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    Nov 27, 2013 12:53 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidEveryone will be silent now because it no longer serves the narrative of rampant homophobia.


    What, because if it didn't happen, then it follows that rampant homophobia is a myth?
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    Nov 27, 2013 3:19 AM GMT
    Yes. Too many people run around looking for something to be offended by. I don't know your experiences, but my coming out was by far mostly positive reactions, even among people who I expected to be negative. We've come a long way in 44 years.
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    Nov 27, 2013 4:24 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidYes. Too many people run around looking for something to be offended by. I don't know your experiences, but my coming out was by far mostly positive reactions, even among people who I expected to be negative. We've come a long way in 44 years.


    Too many bigots think that their offensive behavior is acceptable.

    Homophobia is not as bad as it was 44 years ago. Duh. Homophobia still exists. Duh. I don't know why it is so difficult for Republicans to integrate both concepts.

    I know conservatives think the world revolves around them and their experiences, but over here in the reality-based community we recognize the experiences of other people.

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    Nov 27, 2013 7:25 AM GMT
    Anybody could photoshop a credit card statement you don't even have to have photoshop skills to achieve decent results. The family probably thought there was going to be some way their name would get out and wanted to try to counter the problem before that did.
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    Nov 27, 2013 7:44 AM GMT
    snwbordnick saidAnybody could photoshop a credit card statement you don't even have to have photoshop skills to achieve decent results. The family probably thought there was going to be some way their name would get out and wanted to try to counter the problem before that did.


    Be REAL easy to confirm that one way or another. Don't have to see user name or password, but just get online and look at the credit card statement and detail.

    From what I know at this point, I believe the family and not the dyke in this instance.
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    Nov 27, 2013 7:44 AM GMT
    just accept that any human including lesbians can be assholes too.
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    Nov 27, 2013 7:45 AM GMT
    spacetronaut saidjust accept that any human including lesbians can be assholes too.


    and they can have two.
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    Nov 27, 2013 7:52 AM GMT
    I have one quick question about this. How can the customers add a tip later to their receipt (like some suggested) by calling their bank? lol The bank usually takes 1-2 days to clear for the final charge from the merchant. It shows clearly that the final charge was $111.55 ($18 tip). Urg, I have a feeling the lesbian is shady, she got 3k for pity *tip! (:lolicon_smile.gif Either that or her co-worker done the shady notes, took her tip! Jesus christ, people, use Cash, it's so much easier! I usually paid the server/waiter in cash for my food/drink anyway!
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    Nov 27, 2013 7:58 AM GMT
    socalx10 saidI have one quick question about this. How can the customers add a tip later to their receipt (like some suggested) by calling their bank? lol The bank usually takes 1-2 days to clear for the final charge from the merchant. It shows clearly that the final charge was $111.55 ($18 tip). Urg, I have a feeling the lesbian is shady, she got 3k for pity *tip! (:lolicon_smile.gif Either that or her co-worker done the shady notes, took her tip! Jesus christ, people, use Cash, it's so much easier! I usually paid the server/waiter in cash for my food/drink anyway!


    If you could do that, which I think would be is highly unlikely, it would be a separate transaction.
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    Nov 27, 2013 8:47 AM GMT
    snwbordnick saidAnybody could photoshop a credit card statement you don't even have to have photoshop skills to achieve decent results. The family probably thought there was going to be some way their name would get out and wanted to try to counter the problem before that did.


    I was thinking the same. Some people are very willing to accept 'evidence' that would never stand up in court. Only the card company can verify the authenticity of the credit card information. Note that NBC are very careful to point out this information has come from the customer and not the bank.

    Maybe the server was lying, but I would want to see something from the credit card company itself before I was convinced. If the customer has nothing to hide, why don't they authorize the card company to release a statement?
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    Nov 27, 2013 11:08 AM GMT
    oops. friends and former colleagues and ex-gurlfriend say she is known for lying. lol


    http://www.lohud.com/article/20131126/NEWS/311260034/?nclick_check=1

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    Nov 27, 2013 2:23 PM GMT
    spacetronaut saidjust accept that any human including lesbians can be assholes too.

    My mommy always told me that lesbians are dangerous and once again, my mommy was right.
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    Nov 27, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
    Many times ---if I charge a meal, which I usually don't!-- I write ZERO in the tip line and add "Cash tip on table" on both copies of the receipt.

    That way, the server gets the tip NOW, not days later.

    And, the amount they got is between them and Uncle Sam.
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