A real gay agenda?

  • whytehot

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    Nov 29, 2013 5:24 AM GMT
    I've always wondered why there are so many "older men" threads and race threads. I mean what's there to argue about? Noticed a couple of very revealing posts recently. They came from this thread http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3505873?forumpage=4, which insinuates a pattern of rich/old gay TV writers negatively stereotyping minorities more so than straight writers. Is that why old guys seem to have a dog in the fight when it comes to race threads?






    brodyg saidRace threads are useless without discussing the motives at play in race threads


    gooddaytoday said
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    christastic saidAmazing that a thread exists for this LOL, ah google...

    I had a conversation with a friend last night who was saying the exact same thing about Glee, 2 broke girls, American horror story, etc.

    The friend was saying that in Toronto, they have a gay clubbing event called Asian Express, created ironically by an old white guy. Ostensibly a night for Asians who like Asians, in practice many guys who go there are actually potato queens looking for rice queens, and old white men looking for said potato queens.

    So it's not that hard to imagine that it's in the interest of older gays to keep certain races segregated and devalued, to maintain some access to younger meat lol.


    THIS is why race threads are always full of argument and why most of the white participants in such threads are old, because they have a stake in maintaining inequality.


    This is disgusting, and true. Very few people on RJ are actually racist, but many benefit from racism.
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    Nov 29, 2013 5:39 AM GMT


    "So it's not that hard to imagine that it's in the interest of older gays to keep certain races segregated and devalued, to maintain some access to younger meat lol."

    No wonder I'm getting fed up with this place. You missed a helluva fight between myself and another guy (OK it was 5 years ago) who declared that races should only date themselves. He meant this for straights as well. Being of mixed race, I was most charmed. *sarcasm*
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    Nov 29, 2013 5:44 AM GMT
    LOL. That thread is as absurd as the notion that ethnic gays seek out white men in order to upgrade their social status.
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    Nov 29, 2013 5:58 AM GMT
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    Nov 29, 2013 6:26 AM GMT
    Well of course the old men are gonna disagree with this! icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 29, 2013 6:29 AM GMT
    But seriously, racism of specifically gay TV writers did actually come up in one of my STRAIGHT academic circles! Though this is the first time I've heard a possible explanation for this.
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    Nov 29, 2013 6:31 AM GMT
    theonewhoknocks saidWell of course the old men are gonna disagree with this! icon_lol.gif


    OK, So I say theonewhoknocks is a pig (which he isn't), and if he says no, I say, "Of course theonewhoknocks disagrees with this."

    Numnum logic. It doesn't work, you know. icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 29, 2013 6:36 AM GMT
    Maybe this is why TV is dying, and flooded with lame reality TV shows.
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    Nov 29, 2013 6:43 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidSue your school.


    Omg...who is Sue and why should she think of her school?

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    Sorry, great roast beef tonight, stuffed and feeling goofy.
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    Nov 29, 2013 7:06 AM GMT
    I don't think it's possible to sue an internet school. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 29, 2013 5:07 PM GMT
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    xrichx saidLOL. That thread is as absurd as the notion that ethnic gays seek out white men in order to upgrade their social status.


    Many do though.....


    I had a female friend who dated white guys to feel special. She even said yes when one of the guys proposed to her though she admitted to me that she did not love him that way. I thought this was pathetic. For many reasons we are no longer friends.
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    Nov 29, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    ViciousRumor said
    thatJackalguy said
    ViciousRumor said
    xrichx saidLOL. That thread is as absurd as the notion that ethnic gays seek out white men in order to upgrade their social status.


    Many do though.....


    I had a female friend who dated white guys to feel special. She even said yes when one of the guys proposed to her though she admitted to me that she did not love him that way. I thought this was pathetic. For many reasons we are no longer friends.


    I don't see it as pathetic but more as she just wants to feel validated INS society that constantly invalidates her.


    Seeking validation in a society that invalidates her at the expense of true love and self-appreciation. What about seeking validation within one's self?
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 29, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    The Gay Agenda is to fight for gay rights. You're taking about racism in the gay community. The former is a fight with straight people and the latter is an internal battle. White gay men learn racism from their parents. Two thirds of white families teach their children to be racist by the age of six, according to studies. That's enough to create inequality at the federal level, which means the one third of white kids who aren't taught racism still benefit from it. Racism is an ugly thing we all have to fight. Everyone here should support activists who are raising awareness. In addition, it needs to be fought in the education system. It needs to be a lesson every day for every school child.

    Now, I don't doubt that there are racist old men hitting on minorities who are younger. But racism is everyone, and that Ryan Murphy thread shows that it's not just one age group. I don't think Glee is designed to get old men laid. Glee depicts a racial hierarchy that is a model of white supremacy. Meanwhile, the black activists on RJ are shot down by every age group. The gay community needs to wake up and understand its own civil rights movement and how we fit into the fabric of society.

    Historically, racism and homophobia have been institutionalized by our government, communities, and religion. The gay uprising and start of the gay community as we know it came on the heels of the African American Civil Rights movement. Before then, gays were so loathed that there weren't names for us that weren't slurs. We came out of nowhere and now we have almost full equality. In our lifetimes we have seen a cultural shift. The reason it worked is because after the door to minority civil rights was opened by black power, white gay people worked to change our families. Now the majority of straight people support gay marriage. But a lot of those white people who were homophobic are still racist. They benefit from racial inequality even if they are passive. Our country is so fucked up from 500 years of white supremacy that any white people who don't try to stop it are part of the problem. We've won our rights with a power we can use to actually make a difference. Now it's time for payback. So instead of shutting people down who raise the issue, or turning into just a way to demean old people while ignoring your own generation's ignorance is just adding to the problem.

    The gay community needs to unite globally and fight racial and other injustices. There are gay people of every walk in life. We are a rare common dominator with power and time on our hands. There's a slut thread going on right now. I sense this thread is meant to be a veiled attack too. The gay community can however be about more than just sex. We have to be comrades, allies, and friends. People don't like cynical bitches. We won our rights through a message of love and tolerance, and a few bad apples are making the gay community about nothing but sexual rankings and preferences. That is crap. Half of us already have boyfriends and are only here for community and friendship. More people need to speak up and wake up. This apathy is disgusting.
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    Nov 29, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
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    xrichx saidLOL. That thread is as absurd as the notion that ethnic gays seek out white men in order to upgrade their social status.


    Many do though.....
    I wouldn't say many. So far, from what I've seen, the only ones that say/believe it are the white guys that have an aversion to associating with any people of color.
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    Nov 30, 2013 11:02 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe Gay Agenda is to fight for gay rights. You're taking about racism in the gay community.


    Pretty sure OP doesn't care about racism. He's talking about old white men trying to get with younger (albeit ethic) guys by subtly trying to maintain racial hierarchies that even they don't believe in. The covertness I'd imagine is the "agenda" being referred to.
  • whytehot

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    Dec 01, 2013 11:27 PM GMT
    theonewhoknocks saidBut seriously, racism of specifically gay TV writers did actually come up in one of my STRAIGHT academic circles! Though this is the first time I've heard a possible explanation for this.


    But the old gay men are saying that it's just a figment of our imaginations!
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    Dec 01, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    whytehot said
    theonewhoknocks saidBut seriously, racism of specifically gay TV writers did actually come up in one of my STRAIGHT academic circles! Though this is the first time I've heard a possible explanation for this.


    But the old gay men are saying that it's just a figment of our imaginations!


    Really? Kindly quote one who said that.
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    Dec 02, 2013 6:05 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    whytehot said
    theonewhoknocks saidBut seriously, racism of specifically gay TV writers did actually come up in one of my STRAIGHT academic circles! Though this is the first time I've heard a possible explanation for this.


    But the old gay men are saying that it's just a figment of our imaginations!


    Really? Kindly quote one who said that.


    Oh come on. Since when has there not been a race thread flooded with gifs and nonsense posted by old white men. When someone brought up the absolute lack of minority MOTDs on another thread you got defensive and sarcastically asked whether an affirmative action quota should be met.
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    Dec 02, 2013 6:08 AM GMT
    brodyg said
    meninlove said
    whytehot said
    theonewhoknocks saidBut seriously, racism of specifically gay TV writers did actually come up in one of my STRAIGHT academic circles! Though this is the first time I've heard a possible explanation for this.


    But the old gay men are saying that it's just a figment of our imaginations!


    Really? Kindly quote one who said that.


    Oh come on. Since when has there not been a race thread flooded with gifs and nonsense posted by old white men. When someone brought up the absolute lack of minority MOTDs on another thread you got defensive and sarcastically asked whether an affirmative action quota should be met.


    Rofl, an ageist, how charming. And yes, quite sarcastic. At least you murkily perceived that much. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 04, 2013 12:17 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    brodyg said
    meninlove said
    whytehot said
    theonewhoknocks saidBut seriously, racism of specifically gay TV writers did actually come up in one of my STRAIGHT academic circles! Though this is the first time I've heard a possible explanation for this.


    But the old gay men are saying that it's just a figment of our imaginations!


    Really? Kindly quote one who said that.


    Oh come on. Since when has there not been a race thread flooded with gifs and nonsense posted by old white men. When someone brought up the absolute lack of minority MOTDs on another thread you got defensive and sarcastically asked whether an affirmative action quota should be met.


    Rofl, an ageist, how charming. And yes, quite sarcastic. At least you murkily perceived that much. icon_biggrin.gif


    I have plenty of older friends. If your only answer is that I'm an ageist, that's just you lashing out to avoid having to answer why you were trying to "disprove" racial bias on RJ. It's there; not much one can do about it, but why actively try to deny it by misleading people?
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    Dec 08, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    brodyg said
    meninlove said
    brodyg said
    meninlove said
    whytehot said
    theonewhoknocks saidBut seriously, racism of specifically gay TV writers did actually come up in one of my STRAIGHT academic circles! Though this is the first time I've heard a possible explanation for this.


    But the old gay men are saying that it's just a figment of our imaginations!


    Really? Kindly quote one who said that.


    Oh come on. Since when has there not been a race thread flooded with gifs and nonsense posted by old white men. When someone brought up the absolute lack of minority MOTDs on another thread you got defensive and sarcastically asked whether an affirmative action quota should be met.


    Rofl, an ageist, how charming. And yes, quite sarcastic. At least you murkily perceived that much. icon_biggrin.gif


    I have plenty of older friends. If your only answer is that I'm an ageist, that's just you lashing out to avoid having to answer why you were trying to "disprove" racial bias on RJ. It's there; not much one can do about it, but why actively try to deny it by misleading people?


    There's so many forumers like meninlove who pop into every race thread with these disingenuous posts, and then remain silent when called out.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 08, 2013 7:20 PM GMT
    theonewhoknocks saidBut seriously, racism of specifically gay TV writers did actually come up in one of my STRAIGHT academic circles! Though this is the first time I've heard a possible explanation for this.

    I notice a lot of racism on shows like The Walking Dead, or House of Cards. Aren't those written by straight people???

    (I'm assuming they're written by straight people, as they are devoid of gay characters.)
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    Dec 08, 2013 7:27 PM GMT
    In The Walking Dead, Hershel was kinda "behind the times" with Glen, but the show itself wasn't at all trying to desexualize Glen. The lack of token minorities in a show doesn't make it racist. It's what you do with those minorities, like on Two Broke Girls or with the fat black chicks on Ryan Murphy's shows, that make it racist.
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    Dec 08, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    gooddaytoday saidIn The Walking Dead, Hershel was kinda "behind the times" with Glen, but the show itself wasn't at all trying to desexualize Glen. The lack of token minorities in a show doesn't make it racist. It's what you do with those minorities, like on Two Broke Girls or with the fat black chicks on Ryan Murphy's shows, that make it racist.

    You don't even try making sense, do you?
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    Dec 08, 2013 7:45 PM GMT
    ^^Older man feels threatened by topic, nothing new here.