"Movember is divisive, gender normative, racist and ineffective against some very real health issues."

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    Dec 02, 2013 1:59 PM GMT
    from a feminist:
    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/11/why-movember-isnt-all-its-cracked-be
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    Dec 02, 2013 2:11 PM GMT
    Oh for f*ck's sake! Some people can find a gray cloud in every silver lining.

    Constipated c*nts.
  • RetroFit

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    Dec 02, 2013 2:18 PM GMT
    Beards are like abortions: don't approve then don't have one! Either way keep your hands and opinions off my (bearded) body.
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    Dec 02, 2013 2:37 PM GMT
    Since many can, the ladies are free to grow their own mustaches to protest what's gender normative.
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    Dec 02, 2013 3:01 PM GMT
    Interesting this feminist couldn't bring herself to mention prostate cancer, which by definition is very gender normative. She just refers to "men's health issues", and sidesteps the specific reason for the facial hair.

    I wonder what she thinks about women's breast cancer awareness programs. All these pink ribbons are pretty "gender normative" too, aren't they? Should we toss them out, as well, since they're about a female health issue, while Movember is about a male health issue?

    Yeah, let's only have awareness programs for health conditions that are shared equally by both sexes. No more focusing on health issues that are mostly, or exclusively, limited to one sex.

    Or, conversely, why AREN'T we as focused on prostate cancer as we are on breast cancer? Most older males will get it, if you live long enough. I did at 62. My husband did at 70. Several of our friends did in their 50s. My Father was diagnosed with it in his 70s, and it killed him. I've seen some numbers that suggest prostate cancer is just as prevalent as breast cancer.

    My friends include many lesbians and straight women, and I contribute to their special charities, which include breast cancer awareness & research, domestic abuse, and other women's issues. But I oppose militant feminists like this, who take a 1-sided, selfish and hostile anti-male view, and I wouldn't give a dime to them. They do more harm to their cause than help.
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    Dec 02, 2013 3:01 PM GMT
    "With large numbers of minority-ethnic men—for instance Kurds, Indians, Mexicans—sporting moustaches as a cultural or religious signifier, Movember reinforces the “othering” of “foreigners” by the generally clean-shaven, white majority. Imagine a charity event that required its participants to wear dreadlocks or a sari for one month to raise funds—it would rightly be seen as unforgivably racist."

    wow!
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    Dec 02, 2013 3:09 PM GMT
    sean_zuri said"With large numbers of minority-ethnic men—for instance Kurds, Indians, Mexicans—sporting moustaches as a cultural or religious signifier, Movember reinforces the “othering” of “foreigners” by the generally clean-shaven, white majority. Imagine a charity event that required its participants to wear dreadlocks or a sari for one month to raise funds—it would rightly be seen as unforgivably racist."

    wow!

    And of course when family & friends shave their heads, in support of a loved one who's lost their hair due to chemo cancer treatment, they're being racist against Tibetan monks, right? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 02, 2013 3:09 PM GMT
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2404374/Armpits4August-Did-YOU-grow-underarm-hair-charity-These-women-did-.html

    now, i feel left out. boohoo.
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    Dec 02, 2013 3:10 PM GMT
    sean_zuri saidhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2404374/Armpits4August-Did-YOU-grow-underarm-hair-charity-These-women-did-.html

    now, i feel left out. boohoo.

    LOL! Love it!
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    Dec 02, 2013 3:36 PM GMT
    Well, part of the feminist argument was that men were lionized for growing out their hair while females were demonized. Aesthetics aside, on that count they have a point.
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    Dec 02, 2013 4:11 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidWell, part of the feminist argument was that men were lionized for growing out their hair while females were demonized. Aesthetics aside, on that count they have a point.

    Males were trashed for doing something uniquely male, growing facial hair, on behalf of a uniquely male health issue, prostate cancer. Sorry if the radical feminists can't play, too. But somehow I don't think they were very concerned or involved with prostate cancer in the first place.

    If it's not about a female problem they don't wanna know about it, and resent any attention being drawn away from their own health issues. That's what this bratty, self-centered tirade she wrote was all about. A bit of public pique over something that involved men only. Maybe she'll enjoy reading a companion article next time there's a women's breast cancer campaign.
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    Dec 02, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidWell, part of the feminist argument was that men were lionized for growing out their hair while females were demonized. Aesthetics aside, on that count they have a point.


    when were females demonized for growing out their hair? if they were, it's a subjective/situational view not unlike males being 'demonized' for wearing facial hair in some business/employment settings (in western culture).

    furthermore, females having underarm hair is acceptable/expected in some cultures/religions. thus, are the women in the above article that i posted being culturally/religiously insensitive for refusing to cut their hair?

    i'm usually very sensitive to issues of gender/cultural/racial insensitivity, but this is ridiculous.
  • d11l

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    Dec 02, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidInteresting this feminist couldn't bring herself to mention prostate cancer, which by definition is very gender normative. She just refers to "men's health issues", and sidesteps the specific reason for the facial hair.

    I wonder what she thinks about women's breast cancer awareness programs. All these pink ribbons are pretty "gender normative" too, aren't they? Should we toss them out, as well, since they're about a female health issue, while Movember is about a male health issue?

    Yeah, let's only have awareness programs for health conditions that are shared equally by both sexes. No more focusing on health issues that are mostly, or exclusively, limited to one sex.

    Or, conversely, why AREN'T we as focused on prostate cancer as we are on breast cancer? Most older males will get it, if you live long enough. I did at 62. My husband did at 70. Several of our friends did in their 50s. My Father was diagnosed with it in his 70s, and it killed him. I've seen some numbers that suggest prostate cancer is just as prevalent as breast cancer.

    My friends include many lesbians and straight women, and I contribute to their special charities, which include breast cancer awareness & research, domestic abuse, and other women's issues. But I oppose militant feminists like this, who take a 1-sided, selfish and hostile anti-male view, and I wouldn't give a dime to them. They do more harm to their cause than help.


    I would just like to point that, while it is a minority, men can have breast cancer.
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    Dec 02, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
    whine whine whine.
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    Dec 02, 2013 5:30 PM GMT
    Feminists have something to complain about? Well knock me over with a feather.
  • PR_GMR

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    Dec 02, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    Feminists will find any reason to get angry at men. Being a feminist is being a constant cauldron of anger. Must truly suck.
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    Dec 02, 2013 6:40 PM GMT
    Larkin saidFeminists have something to complain about? Well knock me over with a feather.


    This one did. Many don't.

    I read the article which really was a whole lot of guff masking her real sentiment, "I don't like men."

    ..and apparently being clean shaven is a white man thing, lol. Numbnuts, they come in every flavour, gender and race.


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    Dec 02, 2013 6:42 PM GMT


    Perhaps we should REALLY make her mad and send her a case lot of these!


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    Dec 02, 2013 7:11 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Larkin saidFeminists have something to complain about? Well knock me over with a feather.


    This one did. Many don't.

    I read the article which really was a whole lot of guff masking her real sentiment, "I don't like men."

    ..and apparently being clean shaven is a white man thing, lol. Numbnuts, they come in every flavour, gender and race.




    agreed! let's not overgeneralize - there are certainly causes that are worth fighting. this is just not one of them.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 02, 2013 7:35 PM GMT
    All men have prostates but not all men have beards. Real men come with or without beards.

    That said, I'm appalled that a feminist would try to dictate which men should be clean shaven and which men should have beards. How could a movement with the slogan pro choice start dictating what men should do with their bodies?! I support feminism, not hypocrites.

    This just makes me want to keep my beard---not that I had any plans to shave it, anyway.icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 02, 2013 7:42 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidAll men have prostates but not all men have beards. Real men come with or without beards.

    That said, I'm appalled that a feminist would try to dictate which men should be clean shaven and which men should have beards. How could a movement with the slogan pro choice start dictating what men should do with their bodies?! I support feminism, not hypocrites.

    This just makes me want to keep my beard---not that I had any plans to shave it, anyway.icon_cool.gif


    keep the beard! i think i speak for us all when i say it really suits you. icon_lol.gif
  • Apparition

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    Dec 03, 2013 3:36 AM GMT
    one of the joys of being gay is limited exposure to her.
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    Dec 03, 2013 4:08 AM GMT
    Stupid cunt. Considering the majority of women like their men clean shaven, waxed and feminized, it's pretty obvious this bitch just hates facial hair and is using this as an excuse to try and make every man conform to her preferences.
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    Dec 03, 2013 4:13 AM GMT
    Isn't it the opposite these days? Half the gays in the village have turned into bearded clones, and most of them are bottoms! You can't tell who is actually doing movember anymore.
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    Dec 03, 2013 4:20 AM GMT
    sean_zuri said
    eagermuscle saidWell, part of the feminist argument was that men were lionized for growing out their hair while females were demonized. Aesthetics aside, on that count they have a point.


    when were females demonized for growing out their hair?

    This is why members should actually read the linked articles before commenting. Here's the pertinent paragraph in the article:

    "In solidarity with Movember, some women have also relaxed normative shaving-etiquette during “No Shave November.” Instead of being met with the same teasing words of encouragement, many have been subject to ferocious abuse across social media, reflective of the intolerability of women's body hair, as opposed to the acceptability of a range of—albeit sometimes humorously viewed—male facial hair-styles. From this we learn that men's facial hair (as with the appearance of men more generally) is neither here nor there, and is therefore fair game for a bit of charitable fun, while female breaches of prescribed gender norms are quickly policed, and may result in disgust, ostracisation, and threats. Movember is a reminder that women should think carefully before subverting their sexually objectified bodies to join in with boy's games, something female athletes know only too well."