Porsche Carrera GT Dangerous-"The car is crazy"

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    Dec 03, 2013 5:02 AM GMT
    the attention has turned to this car


    http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/debunking-misinformation-surrounding-the-paul-walker-po-1475054822
    http://jalopnik.com/police-now-say-racing-wasnt-involved-in-paul-walkers-1475238844
    http://jalopnik.com/porsche-that-killed-paul-walker-dangerous-needs-res-1474240192

    During the development of the Carrera GT, famed Porsche tester and man with gigantic brass attachments Walter Rohrl told Australian website Drive that he was actually scared of the car and wanted them to fit traction control because of the unpredictable behavior at the limit:

    Former world rally champion and Porsche test driver Walter Rohrl told Drive the new Porsche supercar is "the first car in my life that I drive and I feel scared".

    Earlier this year, Rohrl said, the engineering team was about to cancel a day's testing at the famous Nurburgring circuit because of wet weather. But, Rohrl said, when he insisted the car had to be tested in slippery conditions, he discovered the car's daunting performance.

    "I came back into the pits and I was white," Rohrl said. "I immediately said to the engineers that we need one button for the wet and one button for the dry", referring to the need for a traction control switch.


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    horrible on interior room, death car? no traction or electronic stability controls on a 608hp car?



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    http://nypost.com/2013/12/02/mechanical-failure-behind-paul-walker-crash-report/
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    the gas tank is behind the seats, no wonder they burned to death icon_eek.gif

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    freedomisntfree saidhttp://nypost.com/2013/12/02/mechanical-failure-behind-paul-walker-crash-report/


    its only speculation, power steering fluid is just like transmission fluid, I saw the 'fluid' in one of the videos, there would be smear marks in the fluid? power steering just doesn't 'fail' on a well maintained $400,000 car, company Porsche is cooperating with police, to bad these high end cars didn't come with a black box
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    new video before the crash, OMG Insider

    http://on.aol.com/video/paul-walker-death-crash---at-time-of-impact---caught-on-camera-518034171
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    freedomisntfree saidhttp://nypost.com/2013/12/02/mechanical-failure-behind-paul-walker-crash-report/


    its only speculation, power steering fluid is just like transmission fluid, I saw the 'fluid' in one of the videos, there would be smear marks in the fluid? power steering just doesn't 'fail' on a well maintained $400,000 car, company Porsche is cooperating with police, to bad these high end cars didn't come with a black box


    some report on CNN says 'the guys in the performance shop' said that the Porsche had a 'power steering leak',
    an 8 year old car (under warranty) with less than 4,000 miles, worth $400,000 had a power steering fluid leak????????????,
    sure don't build expensive Porsche like they used to, better off buying a $25,000 Mustang icon_rolleyes.gif



    I don't buy that explanation, that sounds like a "better cover our ass in case of a lawsuit thing"
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    Dec 03, 2013 7:40 AM GMT
    I guess the CGT was Pauls car after all....

    A Look Inside Paul Walker’s Garage
    http://autos.yahoo.com/news/look-inside-paul-walker-garage-photos-190008850.html

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    Dec 03, 2013 7:42 AM GMT
    Not that I condone it or anything, but it's more fun to fuck around with an "average" car on public streets.

    The Carerra GT should be a track only car. It's too powerful and unpredictable.
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    Dec 03, 2013 7:51 AM GMT
    xrichx saidNot that I condone it or anything, but it's more fun to fuck around with an "average" car on public streets.

    The Carerra GT should be a track only car. It's too powerful and unpredictable.



    Jay leno has his own battle with it



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    Dec 03, 2013 9:28 AM GMT
    Call Ralph Nader ..... Unsafe at Any Speed. You youngins (which in this case will include almost everyone) will have to look it up.

    Again, 60% of the weight in the rear ... when you lose it you're going for a wild ride. Big pendulum back there.

    True, the Carrera GT is mid enigined, not rear, but still a 60% weight bias toward the rear.

    Of course that had much more to do with swing axles used up through 64 versus just rear engine as the 65-69s were fine .... actually very good. But Porsche also used swing axles up until the 911 in 1966.
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    Dec 03, 2013 3:48 PM GMT
    ^^^^^ Funny ^^^^^

    I've heard of sleep texting, but not of sleep posting. I don't remember posting this at 4:30 AM last night. No question it was me because it's something I would say, but wow, no memory of this at all !!!!!
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    freedomisntfree saidCall Ralph Nader ..... Unsafe at Any Speed. You youngins (which in this case will include almost everyone) will have to look it up.

    Again, 60% of the weight in the rear ... when you lose it you're going for a wild ride. Big pendulum back there.

    True, the Carrera GT is mid enigined, not rear, but still a 60% weight bias toward the rear.

    Of course that had much more to do with swing axles used up through 64 versus just rear engine as the 65-69s were fine .... actually very good. But Porsche also used swing axles up until the 911 in 1966.



    this horrible car had safety issues as well, mid engine
    mount and fires, NHTS crash test data? there is none, the only good thing about the 80's was the music icon_rolleyes.gif
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero

    Low levels of engine oil may cause a connecting rod to break, allowing oil to escape and come into contact with engine parts. The oil would catch fire when it contacted the exhaust manifold or hot exhaust components.... David Hudgens, a GM spokesman in Detroit... said, 'If you ran out of oil, and then that coupled with some aggressive driving, perhaps, and maybe not changing the oil very often, you end up with a broken rod, and that's where the connecting rod came in; it is still the owner's responsibility to check the oil.' "[13]

    The Pontiac division claimed in a 1988 press release that "GM tests have shown that running these 1984 cars with low engine oil level can cause connecting rod failure which may lead to an engine compartment fire.... Pontiac is aware of 260 fires attributable to the condition, along with ten reported minor injuries



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    Nadar? I know, Corvair
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    Dec 03, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidCall Ralph Nader ..... Unsafe at Any Speed. You youngins (which in this case will include almost everyone) will have to look it up.

    Again, 60% of the weight in the rear ... when you lose it you're going for a wild ride. Big pendulum back there.

    True, the Carrera GT is mid enigined, not rear, but still a 60% weight bias toward the rear.

    Of course that had much more to do with swing axles used up through 64 versus just rear engine as the 65-69s were fine .... actually very good. But Porsche also used swing axles up until the 911 in 1966.



    this horrible car had safety issues as well, mid engine
    mount, NHTS crash test data? there is none icon_rolleyes.gif
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero

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    Nadar? I know, Corvair


    Somewhat true in re the Fiero, but by the year they killed it, 1988, it had become a pretty good car. Btw, many many cars weren't crashed tested in those day. We were just getting that program started, and the 40% offset test didn't begin until 1993.
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    Dec 03, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    ^^^I never liked mid engine designs in any car regardless of its price range, Porsche designers, god help us, took a que from American 80's car designers and vise versa, the 80's American cars were some of the worst ever designed and built icon_rolleyes.gif

    Low levels of engine oil may cause a connecting rod to break, allowing oil to escape and come into contact with engine parts. The oil would catch fire when it contacted the exhaust manifold or hot exhaust components.... David Hudgens, a GM spokesman in Detroit... said, 'If you ran out of oil, and then that coupled with some aggressive driving, perhaps, and maybe not changing the oil very often, you end up with a broken rod, and that's where the connecting rod came in; it is still the owner's responsibility to check the oil.' "[13]

    The Pontiac division claimed in a 1988 press release that "GM tests have shown that running these 1984 cars with low engine oil level can cause connecting rod failure which may lead to an engine compartment fire.... Pontiac is aware of 260 fires attributable to the condition, along with ten reported minor injuries


    they design crap and put the responsibility on the owner?
    260 fires?, in todays standard, fire #10 would have immediate recall, not enough of these CGT have been sold to even get any data analysis on mid engine problems, lucky Porsche


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    scruffLA said^^^I never liked mid engine designs in any car regardless of its price range, Porsche designers, god help us, took a que from American 80's car designers and vise versa, the 80's American cars were some of the worst ever designed and built icon_rolleyes.gif

    Low levels of engine oil may cause a connecting rod to break, allowing oil to escape and come into contact with engine parts. The oil would catch fire when it contacted the exhaust manifold or hot exhaust components.... David Hudgens, a GM spokesman in Detroit... said, 'If you ran out of oil, and then that coupled with some aggressive driving, perhaps, and maybe not changing the oil very often, you end up with a broken rod, and that's where the connecting rod came in; it is still the owner's responsibility to check the oil.' "[13]

    The Pontiac division claimed in a 1988 press release that "GM tests have shown that running these 1984 cars with low engine oil level can cause connecting rod failure which may lead to an engine compartment fire.... Pontiac is aware of 260 fires attributable to the condition, along with ten reported minor injuries


    they design crap and put the responsibility on the owner?
    260 fires?, in todays standard, fire #10 would have immediate recall, not enough of these CGT have been sold to even get any data analysis on mid engine problems, lucky Porsche





    I mostly left the domestic manufactures in teh early to mid 70s and started coming back in the mid 80s.

    The 80s was the lost decade as everyone was having pretty serious troubles, from BMW with their thermal reactors (in lieu of cats) causing cracked heads to the outrageous problems with Audis to the rust problem on jap cars to shitty assembly quality on the big three.

    That being said, I had an 81 Deville 8-6-4 that was a disaster with the AFM, 81 Lincoln Town Cunt with transmission problems with the early Ford AOD. Then on to an 84, 85 and 87 T-Bird Turbo, which were very good cars overall, 87 Mustang GT that was fine, and then a disaster with the air suspension 86 Mark 7 LSC. Also during that decade I had a bunch of Audis which all were disasters and an 82 Scirocco, which had little to break or go wrong, but still did.

    What did you buy new in the 80s and what were YOUR experiences?
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    scruffLA said^^^I never liked mid engine designs in any car regardless of its price range, Porsche designers, god help us, took a que from American 80's car designers and vise versa, the 80's American cars were some of the worst ever designed and built icon_rolleyes.gif

    Low levels of engine oil may cause a connecting rod to break, allowing oil to escape and come into contact with engine parts. The oil would catch fire when it contacted the exhaust manifold or hot exhaust components.... David Hudgens, a GM spokesman in Detroit... said, 'If you ran out of oil, and then that coupled with some aggressive driving, perhaps, and maybe not changing the oil very often, you end up with a broken rod, and that's where the connecting rod came in; it is still the owner's responsibility to check the oil.' "[13]

    The Pontiac division claimed in a 1988 press release that "GM tests have shown that running these 1984 cars with low engine oil level can cause connecting rod failure which may lead to an engine compartment fire.... Pontiac is aware of 260 fires attributable to the condition, along with ten reported minor injuries


    they design crap and put the responsibility on the owner?
    260 fires?, in todays standard, fire #10 would have immediate recall, not enough of these CGT have been sold to even get any data analysis on mid engine problems, lucky Porsche





    I mostly left the domestic manufactures in teh early to mid 70s and started coming back in the mid 80s.

    The 80s was the lost decade as everyone was having pretty serious troubles, from BMW with their thermal reactors (in lieu of cats) causing cracked heads to the outrageous problems with Audis to the rust problem on jap cars to shitty assembly quality on the big three.

    That being said, I had an 81 Deville 8-6-4 that was a disaster with the AFM, 81 Lincoln Town Cunt with transmission problems with the early Ford AOD. Then on to an 84, 85 and 87 T-Bird Turbo, which were very good cars overall, 87 Mustang GT that was fine, and then a disaster with the air suspension 86 Mark 7 LSC. Also during that decade I had a bunch of Audis which all were disasters and an 82 Scirocco, which had little to break or go wrong, but still did.

    What did you buy new in the 80s and what were YOUR experiences?


    I was too young in the 80's early 90's to buy anything new, my cars were always like 10 year old fixer upper-ers, half Chevy, half Chrysler, one used car I bought I got a really good deal on was a '90 Chevy Beretta GT, 3.1L, 15,000 miles from a dealer, I towed my '17 ft boat with it for several years, it did well, @80k miles, had to have the fuel injectors cleaned, my first actual new car was a '98 Grand Prix, horrible!!!!, the plastic headlight covers fell off in the second year, GM refused to replace them at their cost under warranty, I gave that car back to GM in the third year. My dads brand new car was a 1980 Citation X-11, paint pealed on hood in the first year, not sure what he did with it, I am very happy with my current new car Hyundai, I probably wont ever go back to domestic cars


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    scruffLA said^^^I never liked mid engine designs in any car regardless of its price range, Porsche designers, god help us, took a que from American 80's car designers and vise versa, the 80's American cars were some of the worst ever designed and built icon_rolleyes.gif

    Low levels of engine oil may cause a connecting rod to break, allowing oil to escape and come into contact with engine parts. The oil would catch fire when it contacted the exhaust manifold or hot exhaust components.... David Hudgens, a GM spokesman in Detroit... said, 'If you ran out of oil, and then that coupled with some aggressive driving, perhaps, and maybe not changing the oil very often, you end up with a broken rod, and that's where the connecting rod came in; it is still the owner's responsibility to check the oil.' "[13]

    The Pontiac division claimed in a 1988 press release that "GM tests have shown that running these 1984 cars with low engine oil level can cause connecting rod failure which may lead to an engine compartment fire.... Pontiac is aware of 260 fires attributable to the condition, along with ten reported minor injuries


    they design crap and put the responsibility on the owner?
    260 fires?, in todays standard, fire #10 would have immediate recall, not enough of these CGT have been sold to even get any data analysis on mid engine problems, lucky Porsche





    I mostly left the domestic manufactures in teh early to mid 70s and started coming back in the mid 80s.

    The 80s was the lost decade as everyone was having pretty serious troubles, from BMW with their thermal reactors (in lieu of cats) causing cracked heads to the outrageous problems with Audis to the rust problem on jap cars to shitty assembly quality on the big three.

    That being said, I had an 81 Deville 8-6-4 that was a disaster with the AFM, 81 Lincoln Town Cunt with transmission problems with the early Ford AOD. Then on to an 84, 85 and 87 T-Bird Turbo, which were very good cars overall, 87 Mustang GT that was fine, and then a disaster with the air suspension 86 Mark 7 LSC. Also during that decade I had a bunch of Audis which all were disasters and an 82 Scirocco, which had little to break or go wrong, but still did.

    What did you buy new in the 80s and what were YOUR experiences?


    I was too young in the 80's early 90's to buy anything new, my cars were always like 10 year old fixer upper-ers, half Chevy, half Chrysler, one used car I bought I got a really good deal on was a '90 Chevy Beretta GT, 3.1L, 15,000 miles from a dealer, I towed my '17 ft boat with it for several years, it did well, @80k miles, had to have the fuel injectors cleaned, my first actual new car was a '98 Grand Prix, horrible!!!!, the plastic headlight covers fell off in the second year, GM refused to replace them at their cost under warranty, I gave that car back to GM in the third year. My dads brand new car was a 1980 Citation X-11, paint pealed on hood in the first year, not sure what he did with it, I am very happy with my current new car Hyundai, I probably wont ever go back to domestic cars

    "I was too young in the 80's early 90's to buy anything new"

    I had in the range of ten that I bought new and several used.

    " my first actual new car was a '98 Grand Prix, horrible"

    During the 90s I had a 93 and 95 STS in pearl red, a 95 Z-28 vert, a 97 Deville Cooncours in pearl red, 98 Vette vert, then a 2000 Deville DTS, 2002 DTS, 2004 Grand Prix GTP (Martin Cadillac/Pontiac/GMC liked me very much) , 2007 Saturn Aura and the 2009 G8 GT. Had some electrical problems with the 93 STS, but then things rapidly got better. The 95 STS had 1,800 passes at Terminal Island Raceway). The 97 Concours ran in the 1999 Silver State Open Road Race.

    "I probably wont ever go back to domestic cars"

    Too bad you don't have equivalent experience with domestics as that's simply foolish, but so very LA.

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    That's me in there ready to go.

    Both the 93 and 95 STS were the same color, but I think this was the 95

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    and the 2004 GP GTP

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    And my best friend and I with our new Vettes back on April 2nd 1998. The other guy in the pic (yellow shirt) was the GM brand manager and I was taking the pics.

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    Porsche Carrera GT: 5 reasons the car Paul Walker died in is different

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/us/paul-walker-crash-car/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    4) It has no stability control


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    Porsche Carrera GT: 5 reasons the car Paul Walker died in is different

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/us/paul-walker-crash-car/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    4) It has no stability control


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    I generally shut them off anyway. They're only now getting good enough that it's tough for a good driver to beat them. C7 for example.
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    scruffLA said
    Porsche Carrera GT: 5 reasons the car Paul Walker died in is different

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/us/paul-walker-crash-car/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    4) It has no stability control


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    I generally shut them off anyway. They're only now getting good enough that it's tough for a good driver to beat them. C7 for example.


    modern cars, you cannot turn off the ESC, that is programmed in the ECU module, you can turn off the traction control if you have a button for it, they are different
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    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    Porsche Carrera GT: 5 reasons the car Paul Walker died in is different

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/us/paul-walker-crash-car/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    4) It has no stability control


    hello icon_evil.gif


    I generally shut them off anyway. They're only now getting good enough that it's tough for a good driver to beat them. C7 for example.


    modern cars, you cannot turn off the ESC, that is programmed in the ECU module, you can turn off the traction control if you have a button for it, they are different


    no shit!

    "modern cars, you cannot turn off the ESC"

    Wrong. You can turn them off on most cars although the proceedure to do it sorta makes sure that it's not done by accident. Again, C7 is a good example. My G8 is another and that also applies to the SS

    Makes shit like this possible

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    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    Porsche Carrera GT: 5 reasons the car Paul Walker died in is different

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/us/paul-walker-crash-car/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    4) It has no stability control


    hello icon_evil.gif


    I generally shut them off anyway. They're only now getting good enough that it's tough for a good driver to beat them. C7 for example.


    modern cars, you cannot turn off the ESC, that is programmed in the ECU module, you can turn off the traction control if you have a button for it, they are different


    Wrong. You can turn them off on most cars although the proceedure to do it sorta makes sure that it's not done by accident. Again, C7 is a good example. My G8 is another and that also applies to the SS


    I think you are mixing up traction control vs stability control, the only way to disable the electronic stability control is through a programmed re-flash of the ECU, disabling the ESC also voids the cars warranty, most modders will re-flash the ECU to get a rev bump, unlimited, custom re-flash can include re-enabling, disabling the ESC, proceed at your own risk
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    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    Porsche Carrera GT: 5 reasons the car Paul Walker died in is different

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/us/paul-walker-crash-car/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    4) It has no stability control


    hello icon_evil.gif


    I generally shut them off anyway. They're only now getting good enough that it's tough for a good driver to beat them. C7 for example.


    modern cars, you cannot turn off the ESC, that is programmed in the ECU module, you can turn off the traction control if you have a button for it, they are different


    Wrong. You can turn them off on most cars although the proceedure to do it sorta makes sure that it's not done by accident. Again, C7 is a good example. My G8 is another and that also applies to the SS


    I think you are mixing up traction control vs stability control, the only way to disable the electronic stability control is through a programmed re-flash of the ECU, disabling the ESC also voids the cars warranty, most modders will re-flash the ECU to get a rev bump, unlimited, custom re-flash can include re-enabling, disabling the ESC


    I really sorta doubt that I'm going to get the two mixed up. Give me a break.

    And wrong that it can't be turned off in many or most instances. AGAIN, the C7 and the car (G8 ) I have down in my garage are good examples. And the Camaro (all versions) and new SS is the same way. CTS (V) and ATS are another.

    Tell me how one would otherwise do this?



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    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    Porsche Carrera GT: 5 reasons the car Paul Walker died in is different

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/us/paul-walker-crash-car/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    4) It has no stability control


    hello icon_evil.gif


    I generally shut them off anyway. They're only now getting good enough that it's tough for a good driver to beat them. C7 for example.


    modern cars, you cannot turn off the ESC, that is programmed in the ECU module, you can turn off the traction control if you have a button for it, they are different


    Wrong. You can turn them off on most cars although the proceedure to do it sorta makes sure that it's not done by accident. Again, C7 is a good example. My G8 is another and that also applies to the SS


    I think you are mixing up traction control vs stability control, the only way to disable the electronic stability control is through a programmed re-flash of the ECU, disabling the ESC also voids the cars warranty, most modders will re-flash the ECU to get a rev bump, unlimited, custom re-flash can include re-enabling, disabling the ESC


    I really sorta doubt that I'm going to get the two mixed up. Give me a break.

    And wrong that it can't be turned off in many or most instances. AGAIN, the C7 and the car (G8 ) I have down in my garage are good examples. And the Camaro (all versions) and new SS is the same way. CTS (V) and ATS are another.


    are you pulling fuses?, please explain your madness, I am sure your warranty has been voided many times, please consult the experts for your GM models
    http://www.jmschip.com/2010-2013-camaro-ss-computer-ecu-custom-tuning/
    http://www.pcmperformance.com/programming.html
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    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    freedomisntfree said
    scruffLA said
    Porsche Carrera GT: 5 reasons the car Paul Walker died in is different

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/us/paul-walker-crash-car/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    4) It has no stability control


    hello icon_evil.gif


    I generally shut them off anyway. They're only now getting good enough that it's tough for a good driver to beat them. C7 for example.


    modern cars, you cannot turn off the ESC, that is programmed in the ECU module, you can turn off the traction control if you have a button for it, they are different


    Wrong. You can turn them off on most cars although the proceedure to do it sorta makes sure that it's not done by accident. Again, C7 is a good example. My G8 is another and that also applies to the SS


    I think you are mixing up traction control vs stability control, the only way to disable the electronic stability control is through a programmed re-flash of the ECU, disabling the ESC also voids the cars warranty, most modders will re-flash the ECU to get a rev bump, unlimited, custom re-flash can include re-enabling, disabling the ESC


    I really sorta doubt that I'm going to get the two mixed up. Give me a break.

    And wrong that it can't be turned off in many or most instances. AGAIN, the C7 and the car (G8 ) I have down in my garage are good examples. And the Camaro (all versions) and new SS is the same way. CTS (V) and ATS are another.


    are you pulling fuses?, please explain your madness, I am sure your warranty has been voided many times, please consult the experts for your GM models
    http://www.jmschip.com/2010-2013-camaro-ss-computer-ecu-custom-tuning/
    http://www.pcmperformance.com/programming.html


    God fukin damnit NO NO NO NO. I push a god damn button. The Vette I had to hold the button down for at least three seconds. Just a push to turn traction control off and then 3 seconds or more to turn it all off.