Shocking video : The truth behind meat production.

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    Dec 03, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
    Hello there,

    So I came across this video from meatvideo.com which shows how animals are treated in slaughterhouses in order to produce beef, pork, milk, eggs ...
    I was very shocked and surprised, even if I expected some of the horror as I saw another video on chicken nuggets a long time ago.

    Anyway, I've decided to become a vegan. Or at least try, for the moment.
    I was wondering if some of you were vegetarian or vegan, how you started and how your experience is so far.

    And I, of course, want to know how you guys react to this video.

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    Dec 04, 2013 12:24 AM GMT
    This is so cruel!
    When I was a small kid, one of my neighbors is a butcher. He used to slaughter pigs and sell the meat. I can never forget how desperate and helpless the pigs screeched.

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    Dec 04, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    OMG! I just had craving for char siu! icon_eek.gif
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    Dec 04, 2013 1:14 AM GMT
    Who cares? About to go eat some chicken now actually. Dunno if I should fry it or bake it though.
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    Dec 05, 2013 7:50 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnews saidsaw the video before and it upset the shit out of. however, it hasn't made me want to put the porkchop down though. thought about being vegetarian though but i love eat too much.


    Yeah that's what I used to think to. But I decided to try. There are so many soy/tofu based food I've never tried so I think it can be a good thing.

    Plus, one day in LA I tried meat flavored seitan which is pretty much fake meat for vegans, and I didn't taste bad. I remember thinking "It's so weird ... it really tastes like meat, but it's not."

    The real difficulty is milk and eggs, in my opinion.
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    Dec 05, 2013 8:17 PM GMT
    Avsigkommen saidWho cares? About to go eat some chicken now actually. Dunno if I should fry it or bake it though.

    This.
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    Dec 05, 2013 8:41 PM GMT
    Jaggal saidTry organic, more humane practices in general.


    Yeah, I think it's a first step. So I wondered and then found this :

    http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/free-range-organic-meat-myth/
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    Dec 05, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
    Yeah, that's what I think too.
    But a part of it must be true.

    The other day I found this nice little diagram on the differences between the types of eggs, from organic ones to the cheapest ones.
    And it said that organic eggs are produced by chickens who have more room where they live and get to go outside.
    I thought it was too good to be true.

    Especially when of the main reasons why vegans don't eat eggs is because the male ones are being crushed to death right after they were born.
    So the problem still remains, even if it's organic... right?
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    Dec 06, 2013 6:08 AM GMT
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    Avsigkommen saidWho cares? About to go eat some chicken now actually. Dunno if I should fry it or bake it though.

    This.


    Fucked up how some people lack empathy.


    Listen, it's sad that some animals are cruelly treated before being slaughtered. But honestly, it isn't something I lose sleep over. I can't control the actions of other people, and unless it directly affects me, I'm not going to really care. Welcome to humanity.
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    Dec 06, 2013 6:21 AM GMT
    OP, thank you for caring as so many don't. I will not watch the video simply because I am certain of what I will view.

    So many of us just see a piece of meat on the dinner plate and forget the concept of where it came from.

    Both my parents are from farming backgrounds and as a child spent my weekends and summers in Alberta's farming community. I have worked in large animal veterinary medicine for five years.

    I troubles me to remember some of the horrors I have witnessed and the blase attitudes of those that own this "live property" as livestock is considered on the prairies.
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    Dec 06, 2013 8:07 AM GMT
    So your going to show your displeasure of factory raised meat by "trying to not eat it".

    Why not show the industry you don't agree by eating meat from better sources that way you support a growing community of food producers and help put a stop to factory farms.

    And this doesn't happen with just chickens, beef, pork, lamb and turkey all have a factory farm methadology similar to chickens.
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    Dec 06, 2013 8:21 AM GMT
    "I've decided to become a vegan."

    Becoming vegan isn't like switching brands of underwear. It takes some serious commitment, and it's a huge lifestyle adjustment.
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    Dec 06, 2013 6:21 PM GMT
    Jaggal said
    Truppensturm said
    Avsigkommen saidWho cares? About to go eat some chicken now actually. Dunno if I should fry it or bake it though.

    This.


    Fucked up how some people lack empathy.


    You are so right mate , this is sickening to get those kind of answers
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    Dec 06, 2013 6:45 PM GMT
    We may not be able to stop suffering, but we can always work towards reducing suffering in the world.

    I still drink milk and eat cheese and eggs and I have fish maybe a few times a year, particularly at restaurants when veggie menu items are so limited.

    But I quit eating all other meats about 20plus years ago, both for reasons of health and with the goal in mind of reducing unnecessary suffering in the world, the resources animals use, etc.

    I did try giving up cheese but, man, vegan "cheese" sucks. I don't like dairy farm practices; I'm sure there's lots of abuses there, but at least I have made reductions.

    Also I tried free range eggs but I frequently found them fertile with blood. So then I've the conflict of taking life unnecessarily or eating eggs from caged chickens that I know are unfertile but mishandled. So I've greatly reduced my consumption of that as well.
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    Dec 06, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    Mmmm meat
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    Dec 06, 2013 6:55 PM GMT
    Avsigkommen said
    Jaggal said
    Truppensturm said
    Avsigkommen saidWho cares? About to go eat some chicken now actually. Dunno if I should fry it or bake it though.

    This.


    Fucked up how some people lack empathy.


    Listen, it's sad that some animals are cruelly treated before being slaughtered. But honestly, it isn't something I lose sleep over. I can't control the actions of other people, and unless it directly affects me, I'm not going to really care. Welcome to humanity.

    Our ability to make ethical decisions about how we treat others is one of the keys to humanity. Your attitude of not caring is distinctly inhumane.
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    Dec 06, 2013 7:00 PM GMT
    An animal will eat whatever it can to make itself bigger and stronger. There is no morality or ethical code in nature. It's survival of the fittest.

    Humans have evolved empathy. If we were to just consume indiscriminately to make ourselves bigger we would destroy the planet, (we're on our way to doing that despite having evolved empathy).

    We have to eat living things, plants and/or animals. Eating a piece of fruit is one thing, clearing a rainforest to farm soybeans, or abusing animals, is not only unethical but also inhumane.
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    Dec 07, 2013 4:08 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Avsigkommen said
    Jaggal said
    Truppensturm said
    Avsigkommen saidWho cares? About to go eat some chicken now actually. Dunno if I should fry it or bake it though.

    This.


    Fucked up how some people lack empathy.


    Listen, it's sad that some animals are cruelly treated before being slaughtered. But honestly, it isn't something I lose sleep over. I can't control the actions of other people, and unless it directly affects me, I'm not going to really care. Welcome to humanity.

    Our ability to make ethical decisions about how we treat others is one of the keys to humanity. Your attitude of not caring is distinctly inhumane.


    Yes, because I'm the one abusing the animals. Fucking treehuggers.
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    Dec 07, 2013 4:31 AM GMT
    Jaggal said
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    Avsigkommen saidWho cares? About to go eat some chicken now actually. Dunno if I should fry it or bake it though.

    This.


    Fucked up how some people lack empathy.



    seriously, it really is unfortunate
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    Dec 07, 2013 4:36 AM GMT
    Jaggal said
    Avsigkommen said
    HottJoe said
    Avsigkommen said
    Jaggal said
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    Avsigkommen saidWho cares? About to go eat some chicken now actually. Dunno if I should fry it or bake it though.

    This.


    Fucked up how some people lack empathy.


    Listen, it's sad that some animals are cruelly treated before being slaughtered. But honestly, it isn't something I lose sleep over. I can't control the actions of other people, and unless it directly affects me, I'm not going to really care. Welcome to humanity.

    Our ability to make ethical decisions about how we treat others is one of the keys to humanity. Your attitude of not caring is distinctly inhumane.


    Yes, because I'm the one abusing the animals. Fucking treehuggers.


    1) I'm not even a left winger (i.e hippie, tree hugger etc.), and I love meat too much to not eat it.
    2) Not telling you to stop eating meat, just saying you are not showing empathy as to how some of these animals are treated. In fact, you sound like an asshole "Who cares?"... What the fuck shit ass response is that?
    Also, very selfish: " and unless it directly affects me, I'm not going to really care.".


    I'm just over this guilt trip thing so many people try to do with meat eaters. If you really want to make a difference in the world, go adopt a homeless person, donate to starving kids in Africa, go volunteer and help build schools in underprivileged areas.. etc. "Showing empathy" isn't going to do anything. Taking action is.
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    Dec 07, 2013 4:46 AM GMT
    Yes the animals are treated with cruelty so I guess the animals should be treated more humanely. I'm sure there are farms that do. These types of farms are corporate farms. But then again if they're going to be killed for meat production I'm not sure what difference it makes.
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    Dec 07, 2013 4:46 AM GMT
    Avsigkommen saidYes, because I'm the one abusing the animals. Fucking treehuggers.

    Erm, no actually you aren't abusing them at all but via your action or inaction your permitting it.

    We have progressed as a society by making choices that are best and by taking action on those choices. We changed slavery by making a choice to put an end to it and then acting on that choice.

    We changed many environmentally deplorable acts by making choices and acting on them.

    We as a society have changed many things by making choices and acting on them.

    Funnily enough many of those people who made the changes weren't directly affected by the acts themselves BUT they could see, understand and empathise with the wrong doing and by making choices and acting on them were able to help enact change.

    Our food network is just as horrible and misguided as many things society has accepted for a long time and eventually changed. Mistreatment of animals is horrible, yes they will be our food, yes they will have to die for you to live but that does not mean they should suffer at any point for it.

    Plus, by raising animals is a way that removes mistreatment, allowing more natural growth and providing an environment that is conducive to an animals productive nature provides something that at the end of it's life is a far higher quality product.

    or at least in my opinion it does.
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    Dec 07, 2013 4:48 AM GMT
    Ravensong saidYes the animals are treated with cruelty so I guess the animals should be treated more humanely. I'm sure there are farms that do. These types of farms are corporate farms. But then again if they're going to be killed for meat production I'm not sure what difference it makes.

    Your going to die.

    Do you want to live well and die.

    Do you want to live shit and die.

    Either way your dead one day.
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    Dec 17, 2013 12:21 AM GMT
    Well that is just carnism. (Definition here : http://www.carnism.org/ )
    It just feels natural to everyone to eat meat but it actually isn't necessary at all to eat meat.

    We can find everything we need in vegetables, seeds, etc.
    Actually eating too much meat (which most people do) can give health issues.

    Everyone is aware of the fact that cars generate pollution or that it's important to save water.
    Well, did you know that it takes 2500 gallons to produce 1 pound of meat?
    Or that the food we use to feed animals in farms to produce meat could feed up to 8 billion people?

    Just something to think about. There's more to it than just animal cruelty.

    And ok, rather than having said "I've decided to become vegan" I should have said that I'm going to try. At least I'm trying.
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    Dec 17, 2013 2:33 AM GMT
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