Are drug companies and corporations like Walmart too powerful?

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    Dec 08, 2013 12:22 PM GMT
    Capitalism has been praised for progressing our nation (U.S.A.) -- any quotes or ideas on capitalism's pros and cons?
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    Dec 08, 2013 1:32 PM GMT
    "Money is like manure. If you spread it around it does a lot of good. But if you pile it up in one place it stinks like hell."
    "Money and riches gives you pride, power and authority. Those things are tempting, but never can be useful in buildind a healthy society"



    I don't think there are any pros that can be attributed to capitalism... Even if there are any, they're most likely a "temporary" thing!

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    Dec 08, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
    Don't waste your money buying congressmen - they are really cheap to rent - and you still own them.
  • Destinharbor

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    Dec 08, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
    Some businesses work better at a large scale, pharmaceuticals for one. They simply need the scale to afford the research. But that doesn't mean they can't be effectively regulated but for that to happen, we need politicians who aren't in their pocket but rather respond to the needs of society. To achieve that we need to get big money out of our political system and it appears to do that we'll need a constitutional amendment. The Republicans' very existence is dependent upon flow of cash from big industry but both parties have to play the game to win in today's media markets. With the shrinking middle class individuals simply can't afford to give their money away except the very, very rich. And politicians indebted to the rich will not roll back their power. It will have to be done through voting and most Americans are too stupid or complacent or sheep to know what's in their own interest when they see it.
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    Dec 08, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    Harry7785 said"Money is like manure. If you spread it around it does a lot of good. But if you pile it up in one place it stinks like hell."
    "Money and riches gives you pride, power and authority. Those things are tempting, but never can be useful in buildind a healthy society"

    I don't think there are any pros that can be attributed to capitalism... Even if there are any, they're most likely a "temporary" thing!

    Harry, you're a nice guy, so it pains me to take issue with that ridiculous statement - but it is asinine. Most every major advancement in the modern world has been fueled by captitalism - would you prefer to live like the old regime communists in the Eastern Bloc and USSR and have nothing, not even toilet paper? icon_eek.gif
  • Lincsbear

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    Dec 08, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
    Yes, they are. Governments have abnegated their responsibilities.
    But it`s what the people in the west have voted for, so we can`t blame anyone else!
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    Dec 08, 2013 6:18 PM GMT
    I guess it would be what you define powerful as.
  • swimbud

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    Dec 08, 2013 6:32 PM GMT
    Drug companies and corporations like Walmart are huge because we allow them to be. They simply keep up with demand.

    All we have to do is stop buying their cheap products, and it would end. Personally, I avoid Walmart because I believe that they are too powerful...but as long as people keep "big box" shopping, they will continue to own the consumer economy.
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    Dec 08, 2013 7:28 PM GMT
    WalMart is evil because it panders to the obese and stupid by selling crappy food and consumer goods that are unhealthy and cheaply made by slave labor. The stupids shop there thinking they are getting some remarkable deal, the poor shop there for the same reason, often eating the factory armed poison that they promote as food.
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    Dec 08, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
    Gross who goes to Walmart? Target all the way!
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    Dec 08, 2013 9:03 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidWalMart is evil because it panders to the obese and stupid by selling crappy food and consumer goods that are unhealthy and cheaply made by slave labor. The stupids shop there thinking they are getting some remarkable deal, the poor shop there for the same reason, often eating the factory armed poison that they promote as food.
    The working poor shop at Walmart because what they buy there is usually cheaper than anywhere else they can shop. Not all Walmart food is factory poison - Walmart now sells organic food at lower prices than competing vendors. They wouldn't be offering it if there were'nt a demand for it.
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    Dec 08, 2013 9:06 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidDon't waste your money buying congressmen - they are really cheap to rent - and you still own them.


    That doesn't make sense. Everyone knows the problem with buying congressmen is that they don't stay bought.
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    Dec 08, 2013 11:30 PM GMT
    put it this way: if the top 20 corporate CEOs contracted HIV right now, there would be a cure by New Years
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    Dec 08, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
    shortbutsweet said
    HikerSkier saidDon't waste your money buying congressmen - they are really cheap to rent - and you still own them.


    That doesn't make sense. Everyone knows the problem with buying congressmen is that they don't stay bought.

    Like hustlers. icon_eek.gif
  • thadjock

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    Dec 08, 2013 11:53 PM GMT
    somersault saidput it this way: if the top 20 corporate CEOs contracted HIV right now, there would be a cure by New Years
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    oh silly somersault, they already HAVE THE CURE. it was developed in the lab at the same time the virus was. it's just being held under pharmaceutical black ops reserve expressly for CEO's, certain politicians, and their families. any biochemist with salient knowledge of the formula has been "disappeared" long ago.

    happy holidays from your friends at Pfizer et cie!!
  • Shyguy90

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    Dec 09, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    smartmoney saidWalMart is evil because it panders to the obese and stupid by selling crappy food and consumer goods that are unhealthy and cheaply made by slave labor. The stupids shop there thinking they are getting some remarkable deal, the poor shop there for the same reason, often eating the factory armed poison that they promote as food.


    WOW sir. You are a royal @sshole. Your response was NOTHING but an attack on the working classes of the United States. Pull the 39 and a half foot pole out your ass!!! There are PLENTY of college educated people in the working classes that are healthy and there are plenty of fat-ass rich motherfuckers that do the same shit they do!!!!
  • metta

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    Dec 09, 2013 3:11 AM GMT
    Corporations and wealthy people have too much influence on our government. Eliminating all forms of donations to political campaigns (including using ones own money) would decrease this influence and make it more fair. Corporations and individuals should not be able to buy influence. That breeds corruption. They should have no more influence than the average person on the street.

    Corporations should also pay a livable wage. The government should not have to subsidize it. And they should not get special tax benefits that other companies cannot get.
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    Dec 09, 2013 3:21 AM GMT
    Yes.

    They're also not people.
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    Dec 09, 2013 4:40 AM GMT
    madsexy said
    Harry7785 said"Money is like manure. If you spread it around it does a lot of good. But if you pile it up in one place it stinks like hell."
    "Money and riches gives you pride, power and authority. Those things are tempting, but never can be useful in buildind a healthy society"

    I don't think there are any pros that can be attributed to capitalism... Even if there are any, they're most likely a "temporary" thing!

    Harry, you're a nice guy, so it pains me to take issue with that ridiculous statement - but it is asinine. Most every major advancement in the modern world has been fueled by captitalism - would you prefer to live like the old regime communists in the Eastern Bloc and USSR and have nothing, not even toilet paper? icon_eek.gif


    Hey, thanks for the input!
    I guess our differences lies in our culture(may be). Imagining me on your side, it looks like my statement is a bit foolish indeed, for I didn't gave full explanation to it.

    As a son of a small business man and belongs to a cast of 'business men', I've seen many business men in my life, but not a single man who is not completely honest(sometimes at least) to their customers. And quite sad to mention, this includes my father as well.

    You're right that the modern world advancements were fueled by capitalists...However I strongly believe that these advancements are only temporary. For ex: look at how fast food chains like KFC, McD, Pepsi-Coca cola, Nestle; supermarkets like Walmart, Amazon; petroleum companies like BP, shell; tech companies like Apple took control over your nation and perhaps even the world. All those lobbying, political maneuvers, adulterated foods, oil spills, suffering of Chinese workers and workers in several warehouses, Dumping of e-waste in Africa, causing land and air pollutions etc. etc. all these sufferings sprang out from capitalists and their greed for money and power.

    If anyone says these are large scale industries/businesses and not applicable to small/medium scale business , I say all these big multi-billion corporations started from scrap and at one point they all are small. Which means any small or medium size business(now), if given/gets opportunity or chance, will become multi billionaires, and will always tries to suppress their competitors(small/big)...
    Once a man gets a taste of luxury, riches, power, status,etc. He does not care about ethics and sufferings of the oppressed, all he cares about is money and tactics that maintains his self-esteem and ego. And there are extremely very few people who had overcome these passions.

    One more to mention is the world would be different today if everyone encourages capitalism, because many of the inventions and discoveries that the modern world depends on(including those multi-billion dollar corporations) we're invented by people who didn't patent their discoveries.
    For example: look at the rivals Tesla and Edison
    Though many of Tesla's discoveries were patented, many other were not...He didn't tried to earn money from his inventions and finally, during the last days he ended up being poor...Whereas Edison who earned tons of money from his patents ended being a billionaire.
    If Tesla would have indeed capitalized his inventions, there would have been more poverty in this world than it is today. In fact he would have become the richest person in the world.
    There are many others who didn't patent or marketed their inventions or discoveries
    Jonas Salk...inventor of polio vaccine,
    Yellapragada Subbarao...discoverer of Methotrexate(widely used anti-cancer drug), world's first tetracycline antibiotic- aureomycin.,
    And several other countless scientists.
    We all owe to these great men a lot.
    I personally don't respect much of Edison's inventions because, he earned on what he worked for...We rewarded him with money and the deal ends there. Whereas with Tesla, we owe him forever for he didn't took anything from us in return of his favor.

    It is capitalism that drove Britishers, French, Portugese to conquer the world...look at the sufferings of South Americans, south-east Asians, Africans, Chinese etc. It is the same thing that is driving the modern world into chaos(one of the many)....look at the wars for oils, Chinese govt.'s aggressive and dominating behavior. etc. Look at the kings in Dubai and the poverty stricken, starving neighboring brothers/nations in other Muslim countries.
    "We will help you to earn money, if you'll not involve in govt. affairs" This is the present Chinese communist policy towards their citizens according to a documentary I've seen a few years ago. This sounds very unlike communist attitude.

    Of course there are good business men as well, but they are not good enough.(Just like a filtered cigarette compared to cigar, less toxic)
    According to Indian tradition/culture, the duty of business man is to earn money honestly and use his earnings for the benefit of the society and to maintain harmony. Now, you don't see a single business man in India who acts accordingly. In fact many will be surprised to hear the facts about their own culture and may even gets defensive to justify their position.

    Personally I'm not a fan of communism, So...I don't like the Stalin and Mao regime. They brought more evil to their own society than many wars (which brings suffering to their opponents) put together.

    I hope this will clear the doubts that may have arise from me and would like to hear your opinion further.

    To speak honestly, I still think that the world would be a lot healthier/happier if there were no capitalists to ruin it.
  • Apparition

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    Dec 09, 2013 4:50 AM GMT
    a lot of research is not corporate, but Scholastic.
    Walmart is too big, it should be broken up like Standard OIL to compete against itself.

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    Dec 09, 2013 4:54 AM GMT
    S34n05 saidGross who goes to Walmart? Target all the way!


    I prefer Target, but stop being one of those gays. I was with a friend that said only poor people shop at Macy's (I don't want to know what he thinks about those of us who shop at JcPennys; it should be noted millionaires shop at JcPennys and often don't drive luxury vechiles) . He was quickly deleted off of my FB and removed from my circle. The ignorant and frivolous waste oxygen for those of us that use our brains.
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    Dec 09, 2013 5:05 AM GMT
    Elusium saidYes.

    They're also not people.


    unfortunately the asshole Supreme Court said they were people about 200 years ago
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    Dec 09, 2013 5:11 AM GMT
    What's terrifying is what an obvious step toward fascism -- it's a word that gets thrown around a lot to the point that it's almost meaningless, but it does matter -- this whole corporate "personhood" bullshit is.

    It ain't about morals, personal conviction, or rights.

    When government, religion, and corporations fuse into a single monstrous entity, that's fascism.
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    Dec 09, 2013 5:17 AM GMT
    Elusium saidWhat's terrifying is what an obvious step toward fascism -- it's a word that gets thrown around a lot to the point that it's almost meaningless, but it does matter -- this whole corporate "personhood" bullshit is.

    It ain't about morals, personal conviction, or rights.

    When government, religion, and corporations fuse into a single monstrous entity, that's fascism.


    nothing has really changed in 1500 years, corporations just took over where monarchies and their chosen few left off
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    Dec 09, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
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    somersault saidput it this way: if the top 20 corporate CEOs contracted HIV right now, there would be a cure by New Years
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    oh silly somersault, they already HAVE THE CURE. it was developed in the lab at the same time the virus was. it's just being held under pharmaceutical black ops reserve expressly for CEO's, certain politicians, and their families. any biochemist with salient knowledge of the formula has been "disappeared" long ago.

    happy holidays from your friends at Pfizer et cie!!



    Eli Lily and the Bush family have been connected in various ways.

    I realize creating a new drug is an expensive process. I also realize a corporation is it's own entity that is focused purely on profits. But there is a fine line between competition and researchers coming together to help the American people and humanity as a whole -- my main focus is on seeing advancements in depression.

    Depression is such a unique disorder that it really needs cooperation and communication between researchers in order to see advancements in treatments.

    What other non-terminal illness allows patients in the USA (2012) to say drill into my head, skull, and brain matter in order to place electrodes in my brain and possibly alleviate depression. All the different research methods are too spread out. I'd go as far as to paraphrase JFK and ask drugs companies "What can you do to better our country?" Although it may not be the capitalistic way, solving depression is ultimately giving the American people a fishing rod to best serve their country. Also from Psychology Today, Jonathan Rottenberg Ph.D. has stated "Depressed employees spend about 48% more on health care than their non-depressed coworkers..." Those that are advocates for mental health want to eliminate discrimination that insurance companies have practiced.

    Although clinical depression is a genetic disorder; humans can have similar symptoms to depression due to dire circumstances. I honestly believe this is how dictators gain power is through people's fears and a desperation for a "cure" to alleviate their suffering.

    My main purpose for this topic was to try and gather credible evidence that demonstrates grotesque forms of making a profit, such as destroying food in order to maintain prices.

    I have a new obessession and it's advocating and seeing advancements in treatments and information for the depressed.

    I've participated in Autism speaks; I had grandparent's that suffered from diabetes -- so I'm glad to see magazines and resources out there; I've also seen how grants have paid for the LGBT community to have centers (the grants apparently pay for pizza and Chinese food -- WHY?). I still have a whole list of questions regarding sex that I want to bring to that center. I DON'T UNDERSTAND why depression resources are so spread out. I'm surprised more celebrities aren't involved with charity work, in regards to depression -- God knows plenty of them suffer from it and addictions.