LA plastic bag ban Jan 1st

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    Dec 12, 2013 7:30 AM GMT
    I DID NOT HAVE A VOTE IN THIS...I repeat, as a resident of LA, I did not want this ban, it was forced upon us by the continuation of the nanny state, I think its a pain in the ass walking into a store with your own bags, THOSE WHO WANTED THIS SHOULD PROVIDE THE ECO BAGS FOR EVERYONE, FREE, starting Jan 1st, I will expect every store and their employees in Los Angeles, to stand out front of their store and pass out these FREE bags to customers coming to shop

    I don't plan on actually buying eco bags, I must get them for FREE, these eco bags are NOT washable, there will be cases of food poisoning from 'dirty bags', once the dirty bag cant be used anymore, I guess the stores will provide a new FREE bag, I better not have to pay anything for this stupid idea, more frequent shopping trips due to limited amount items eco bags can hold

    LA forces this ban but yet are horrible and stupid at recycling programs

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    As plastic-bag ban looms, L.A. plans to give out totes
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-bag-ban-20131118,0,7759674.story#axzz2nF6wz0wO

    http://dpw.lacounty.gov/epd/aboutthebag/


    what a difference of opinion makes, Dallas wont be following the nanny's

    Plastic Bag Bans Don't Save Cities Money
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1635748

    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.


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    Dec 12, 2013 8:35 AM GMT

    im not kidding, please don't use the eco bag as a gym bag icon_rolleyes.gif


    Spreading Disease

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-04/the-disgusting-consequences-of-liberal-plastic-bag-bans.html


    Most alarmingly, the industry has highlighted news reports linking reusable shopping bags to the spread of disease. Like this one, from the Los Angeles Times last May: “A reusable grocery bag left in a hotel bathroom caused an outbreak of norovirus-induced diarrhea and nausea that struck nine of 13 members of a girls’ soccer team in October, Oregon researchers reported Wednesday.” The norovirus may not have political clout, but evidently it, too, is rooting against plastic bags.
  • creature

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    Dec 12, 2013 11:26 AM GMT
    We have something similar here in Montgomery County, but it's not a ban. To discourage the use of plastic bags, there is a 5¢ fee per plastic bag. There is a noticeable change as customers are bringing with them reusable bags to the grocery stores.

    If you are concerned about the washability, then use cotton tote bags.

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  • creature

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    Dec 12, 2013 11:47 AM GMT
    As for the link you provided about plastic bags not saving cities money, that study came from the National Center for Policy Analysis.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Policy_Analysis

    Sorry, but after looking at who founded the think tank, the leadership roster, and who's donating to the think tank, the claims in the report are going to be suspect to say the least.
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    Dec 12, 2013 1:07 PM GMT
    This is such a no-brainer, why you such a cry baby expecting someone to supply you bags?
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    Dec 12, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    Finally some real change in this world
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    Dec 12, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    In Boulder not only are plastic bags banned, you have to pay a dime per bag at all grocery stores. I call it the "Whole Foods Tax."
  • in_this_corne...

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    Dec 12, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
    JimiB saidIn Boulder not only are plastic bags banned, you have to pay a dime per bag at all grocery stores. I call it the "Whole Foods Tax."


    The way I understand it at Whole Foods is that they will EITHER refund you a dime, per bag, off your bill OR you have the option to donate the dime to a charity. At any rate, I always forget my bags at home and opt for paper bags anyway.
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    Dec 12, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    If you bring your own bag you get a credit or a donation to a charity.
  • metta

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    Dec 12, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    Wash your bags!


    LA County (non-incorporated areas) have been doing this already for over a year.

    I'm sure that other cities will follow.

    There are many bag designs out there. Some hold a little, some hold a lot. Some are designed so that you can hold many of them with one hand. Those are the one I prefer because I can normally bring all my stuff in at the same time. And then there are stylish and traditional styles, like the weaved french market baskets. icon_biggrin.gif


    And in regards to there being more trash in the SF area, I would guess that it has more to do with the population increase in that area than the using reusable bags. That area is going to have water shortage problems in the future because the population is growing more than the area can handle. According to an article that I read last week, it is not as bad as LA, but it will be one of the top 10 areas in the country with this issue.
  • DCEric

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    Dec 12, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
    Given the amount of tax dollars every year that go into cleaning up those plastic bags... Good.
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    Dec 12, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    Austin's had this ban for over a year. It is a little bit weird to go into WalMart and see reams of paper bags, but what can you do.
  • tomjack

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    Dec 12, 2013 7:40 PM GMT
    Either people are joking or it is very apparent that people are ignorant that these plastic bags are a huge waste environmentally speaking.... Get a washable bag... it's really not that hard... I know change is hard but really... and when did being an American mean it is your right to trash the earth????

    Lord help us!
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    Dec 12, 2013 8:06 PM GMT
    Berkeley probably has the same ban. Several years ago they passed a ban on styrofoam cups in all food places.

    In the long run I think it is good. It forces people to change and think. If cigarette taxes weren't so high lots more people would still be smoking. I remember when a pack of coffin nails was $0.50.
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    Dec 12, 2013 8:09 PM GMT
    Stop complaining
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    Dec 12, 2013 8:10 PM GMT
    scruffLA saidI DID NOT HAVE A VOTE IN THIS...I repeat, as a resident of LA, I did not want this ban, it was forced upon us by the continuation of the nanny state, I think its a pain in the ass walking into a store with your own bags, THOSE WHO WANTED THIS SHOULD PROVIDE THE ECO BAGS FOR EVERYONE, FREE, starting Jan 1st, I will expect every store and their employees in Los Angeles, to stand out front of their store and pass out these FREE bags to customers coming to shop

    I don't plan on actually buying eco bags, I must get them for FREE, these eco bags are NOT washable, there will be cases of food poisoning from 'dirty bags', once the dirty bag cant be used anymore, I guess the stores will provide a new FREE bag, I better not have to pay anything for this stupid idea, more frequent shopping trips due to limited amount items eco bags can hold

    LA forces this ban but yet are horrible and stupid at recycling programs

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    As plastic-bag ban looms, L.A. plans to give out totes
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-bag-ban-20131118,0,7759674.story#axzz2nF6wz0wO

    http://dpw.lacounty.gov/epd/aboutthebag/


    what a difference of opinion makes, Dallas wont be following the nanny's

    Plastic Bag Bans Don't Save Cities Money
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1635748

    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.




    It's the new trend anti democratic trend. Big picture it's back to the dark ages.
  • Fable

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    Dec 12, 2013 8:11 PM GMT
    Dude use a paper bag. Duh.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 12, 2013 8:14 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    scruffLA saidI DID NOT HAVE A VOTE IN THIS...I repeat, as a resident of LA, I did not want this ban, it was forced upon us by the continuation of the nanny state, I think its a pain in the ass walking into a store with your own bags, THOSE WHO WANTED THIS SHOULD PROVIDE THE ECO BAGS FOR EVERYONE, FREE, starting Jan 1st, I will expect every store and their employees in Los Angeles, to stand out front of their store and pass out these FREE bags to customers coming to shop

    I don't plan on actually buying eco bags, I must get them for FREE, these eco bags are NOT washable, there will be cases of food poisoning from 'dirty bags', once the dirty bag cant be used anymore, I guess the stores will provide a new FREE bag, I better not have to pay anything for this stupid idea, more frequent shopping trips due to limited amount items eco bags can hold

    LA forces this ban but yet are horrible and stupid at recycling programs

    icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif



    As plastic-bag ban looms, L.A. plans to give out totes
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-bag-ban-20131118,0,7759674.story#axzz2nF6wz0wO

    http://dpw.lacounty.gov/epd/aboutthebag/


    what a difference of opinion makes, Dallas wont be following the nanny's

    Plastic Bag Bans Don't Save Cities Money
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1635748

    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.




    It's the new trend anti democratic trend. Big picture it's back to the dark ages.

    I didn't know they banned plastic bags in the dark ages.
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    Dec 12, 2013 9:24 PM GMT
    I don't have a problem with the cheap ass plastic bags being banned, even if I miss them for my small garbage pail. In SF you can't have them and you pay .10 for a paper bag. We do have bags with us and we take them shopping where ever we go. I actually like them better because they're stronger and hold more. Throw them in the washer and they'll remain clean.

    What I don't like is that now they've even banned places like Subway from using the long plastic bag for your sandwich and from providing a paper bag without you paying for it. I mean seriously, I can't have a paper bag for a sandwich without paying for it? That's crazy! I don't know about fast food since I seldom eat there. I do know that most of Chinatown seemed to be exempt from the law for some reason. They use to have pink plastic bags when no one else was allowed. I'm guessing those are illegal now too.
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    Dec 12, 2013 9:27 PM GMT
    That's just Subway's excuse for making you pay more.
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    Dec 12, 2013 9:30 PM GMT
    We just picked up a dozen of these bags and keep them in the trunk of the car. They really don't get dirty unless we were to spill something in them, and then they can be washed easily. They are better than the other plastic or paper bags, IMO - since they hold more and have good handles on them, and they don't break. Stores around here have been using them for at least 4 years, so we still have the same bags and haven't had any problems.
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    Dec 12, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
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    Alpha13 said
    scruffLA saidI DID NOT HAVE A VOTE IN THIS...I repeat, as a resident of LA, I did not want this ban, it was forced upon us by the continuation of the nanny state, I think its a pain in the ass walking into a store with your own bags, THOSE WHO WANTED THIS SHOULD PROVIDE THE ECO BAGS FOR EVERYONE, FREE, starting Jan 1st, I will expect every store and their employees in Los Angeles, to stand out front of their store and pass out these FREE bags to customers coming to shop

    I don't plan on actually buying eco bags, I must get them for FREE, these eco bags are NOT washable, there will be cases of food poisoning from 'dirty bags', once the dirty bag cant be used anymore, I guess the stores will provide a new FREE bag, I better not have to pay anything for this stupid idea, more frequent shopping trips due to limited amount items eco bags can hold

    LA forces this ban but yet are horrible and stupid at recycling programs

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    The dark ages where a king decided your fate cradle to grave .

    As plastic-bag ban looms, L.A. plans to give out totes
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-bag-ban-20131118,0,7759674.story#axzz2nF6wz0wO

    http://dpw.lacounty.gov/epd/aboutthebag/


    what a difference of opinion makes, Dallas wont be following the nanny's

    Plastic Bag Bans Don't Save Cities Money
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1635748

    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.




    It's the new trend anti democratic trend. Big picture it's back to the dark ages.

    I didn't know they banned plastic bags in the dark ages.



    The dark ages where a King decided your fate from cradle to grave.

    The democratic age was an experiment to see if people with freedom did a better job controlling their destiny than a king. The experiment seemed to work way into the 1980's then individual freedom was traded in for government control. Now we don't have freedom to carry a plastic bag and you can track the loss of individual freedom to the growing gap between the rich and poor. Without individual freedom the rulers become rich and powerful . You didn't vote for plastic bag control ... You didn't vote for Obama care or the bank bailouts .
  • aax_aax_aax

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    Dec 12, 2013 10:13 PM GMT
    When they banned plastic bags in Italy (some 3-4 years ago), nothing much changed for customers.. Bags continued to be free in shops, they looked and felt the same as good old plastic bags, the only difference is that they were made of corn starch. It's bioplastic i think, and it's degradable/ compostable. And that is a good change. Productions costs about the same as regular plastic bags.
    Don't know why the same thing couldn't happen in LA.
    Still, i prefer cotton bags.
  • allatonce

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    Dec 12, 2013 10:36 PM GMT
    I honestly can't think of a worse problem than this. icon_eek.gif

    Life changing.
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    Dec 12, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidThat's just Subway's excuse for making you pay more.

    No it's not! LOL I still get the monthly special…foot long for only $5 and it lasts me for 2 days! LOL