Possibly the Fountain of Youth?

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    Dec 09, 2008 5:25 AM GMT
    /news.aol.com/health/article/is-growth-hormone-a-fountain-of-youth/269898>
    He is 69 but has the body of a 30yr old Thoughts?
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    Dec 09, 2008 5:29 AM GMT
    http://news.aol.com/health/article/is-growth-hormone-a-fountain-of-youth/269898

    sorry it wasnt right the first time
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    Dec 09, 2008 5:31 AM GMT
    I made an oops the first time try the second post
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    Dec 09, 2008 5:32 AM GMT
    Signboy09 saidhttp://news.aol.com/health/article/is-growth-hormone-a-fountain-of-youth/269898
    sorry it wasnt right the first time
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    Dec 09, 2008 5:39 AM GMT
    http://news.aol.com/health/article/is-growth-hormone-a-fountain-of-youth/269898


    Now direct access. sorry im new to posting links here.
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    Dec 09, 2008 6:21 AM GMT
    You don't get that kind of body with growth hormones alone.
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    Dec 09, 2008 8:13 AM GMT
    too bad his face didnt age so well.
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    Dec 09, 2008 10:45 AM GMT
    Hope I can be in that kind of shape in my 60s! Anyone here on the kind of program described in the article? I'm interested, but $1,000 a month is way out of my price range. If you are on an anti-aging or HRT program, how much did you pay for the initial set up and ongoing treatment?
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    Dec 09, 2008 2:32 PM GMT
    Seb26 saidtoo bad his face didnt age so well.



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    Dec 09, 2008 5:27 PM GMT
    Why is that photo " from 2 years ago " . What does he look now..very suspicious.
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    Dec 09, 2008 5:51 PM GMT
    Interestingly enough, this guy was one of the original winners and supporters of the "Body for Life" challenges.

    It would be pretty cool to look that good at 70.... hell, would be great to look that good at 40.
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    Dec 09, 2008 5:53 PM GMT

    Oh Daddy!!

    But that really is no fountain of youth, there are plenty old farmer/ranchers round here that look better than that. The trick is fresh fruits and vegatables, hearty eating, and they work their fine asses off damn near everyday. The difference can be seen in their wives, who often always look like hags.
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    Dec 09, 2008 9:05 PM GMT
    if you look at the photos on that website, there are heaps that have the dodgy photography tricks on them. Its rubbish - before and afters for instance where a woman with a facelift is focussed differently and wearing more makeup in the after than the before... its all a bit dodge i think...
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    Dec 09, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    HRT is science that is rapid becoming main stream with a wide range of positive health benefits.

    Anyone over 28 should be investigating it.

    Good science. Good medicine.

    As someone with a great doctor and who has taken HRT for years, I am personal testament to their efficacy.

    More, and more, we're understanding the mechanisms of aging, diseases of aging, depression and so on, and good science is emerging that works the prevention of disease rather than treatment. It just makes more sense to prevent that aging, and diseases of aging, than to treat them.

    It's no longer a given that you have to feel bad in middle age; take bp meds, heart meds, cholesterol meds, when HRT can keep that all from happening.

    Informed folks of my generation are all over it. I have a number of friends where are benefactors, as well.


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    Dec 09, 2008 9:11 PM GMT

    PHOTOSHOP
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    Dec 09, 2008 9:28 PM GMT
    neat-o. cant wait to see what they'll have developed by the time i'm looking to use anything icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 09, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    my god.
    PLEASE do not promote HRT. It is just so serious. If someone needs to know about HRT then they are probably suffering from some congenital disorder, or they are a woman over the age of 50 who is going through menopause. In fact in the latter case, HRT has been shown recently to have SERIOUSLY increased the incidence of breast cancer.

    The human body has many many different hormones. What hormones are are chemicals responsible for turning on and off genes.

    In the case of testosterone, the hormone is produced in the interstitial cells in the testis, and the levels are controlled in a feedback loop by a part of the brain responsible for monitoring the body's systems.

    What happens when you introduce foreign hormones to a person is, the brain will detect an artificially elevated level of hormones in the body, and will decrease the amount of hormone the body produces naturally in order to compensate.

    Basically your body will stop producing hormones properly, and will rely on the crappy manufactured ones which arent as effective as the human derived ones anyway.

    I could honestly go on with citations for hours about how stupid you must be if you actually do this type of rubbish.

    Please please keep away from using hormones unless you had some sort of castration at a very young age, or are in contact with a very good endocrinologist, AND have had a second and possibly third opinion.
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    Dec 09, 2008 9:36 PM GMT
    meanwhile I forgot to add...


    once stemcell transplantation is more mainstream, maybe that will make people look younger....

    there are stem cells derived from hair follicle stem cells called induced pleuripotent stem cells or ipSCs, which I suspect would be way more constructive in the cosmetic industry than injecting collagen, or botulinum toxin...
    LÓreal puts HEAPS of money yearly into serious anti aging research, not just the crappy "microdermoabrasion" crap you see on TV, and they get their scientist's names in some pretty serious journals of genetics and dermatology and such, I can almost bet that by 2050 someone will have come up with something really interesting and tricky that will make everyone hot, as long as they are willing to pay for it.

    The question that stands is - how important is beauty - REALLY?
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    Dec 10, 2008 7:36 AM GMT
    It's get down to more than just beauty. It gets down to an improved state of health, lack of disease, less depression, protection from disease, improved sexual and athletic performance, and an improved sense of well being. It's not just a narcissistic, I,I,I thing.
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    Dec 10, 2008 8:01 AM GMT

    When we first recommended that aging men restore their testosterone to youthful levels, a firestorm of criticism erupted.

    The medical establishment proclaimed that by interfering with the natural decline in testosterone secretion, that men risked all kinds of terrible fates. When Life Extension members asked their doctors for testosterone prescriptions, they ran into objections such as, “I don’t prescribe steroids,” “testosterone causes heart attacks,” and “testosterone causes prostate cancer.”

    We countered these criticisms with hundreds of scientific citations showing that testosterone deficiency is an underlying cause of age-related disease. We also demonstrated that none of the paranoid fears about natural testosterone had ever been substantiated.

    To this day, a huge number of doctors view testosterone as if it were a narcotic. Other physicians admit they don’t know how to prescribe testosterone to their patients. All of that is about to change.

    http://www.lef.org/magazine/index.htm
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    Dec 10, 2008 9:35 PM GMT
    All that is about to change through means of a "magazine" published by a company who has links all over their website for selling hormones e.t.c.?

    If someone came up to you in the street wearing a macdonalds hat, and said macdonalds is good for you, would you believe them, or would you think "that dude has a vested interest... of course he is going to try and say his crap is the best".

    Basically it is in their interest to promote something they directly profit from. What a joke.


    Chucky.
    There is nothing at all healthy about encouraging people to get into unnecessary steroid use. If you suffer from a condition where you do not produce enough testosterone then it might be helpful to seek medical help, such as supplementation, but having more testosterone does not have a direct correlation with increased health.


    Increased health comes with regular excercise and a healthy diet - there isnt any way to short cut that.
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    Dec 10, 2008 9:36 PM GMT
    I've had my testosterone script for about 3 years now. I plan on using it the rest of my life. After I got on it, I got leaner, my heart rate dropped, I felt better, my bp dropped, my cholesterol got slightly better, I got hard ons more often, I never get sick, and the doctor literally threw by bp meds in the trash.

    I'm so sick of the rubbish about HRT / AAS.

    Bigger, Stronger, Faster is a great movie.

    Real Sports #99 is a great episode.

    I've been around the stuff for 33 years, talked to piles of doctors, have a large group of friends, and have personal experience. Having some 130 pound weakling tell me what's up, when they are clearly clueless is laughable.

    Real Sports with my friend, Bob Klapp from Paradise Valley, Arizona.


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    Clearly, this technology works, and works well, with a minimum of side effects, all while PREVENTING disease.
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    Dec 10, 2008 9:38 PM GMT
    czarodziej saidneat-o. cant wait to see what they'll have developed by the time i'm looking to use anything icon_smile.gif


    hmm, somehow I think I'm willing to wait for the time I'm looking to use something, lol.
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    Dec 10, 2008 11:29 PM GMT
    the movie "death becomes her" anyone?