Federal Judge Strikes Down Utah’s Anti-Polygamy Law

  • metta

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    Dec 14, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
    Federal Judge Strikes Down Utah’s Anti-Polygamy Law


    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breaking-federal-judge-strikes-down-utahs-anti-polygamy-law/legal-issues/2013/12/13/80258


    This will be used against us in our fight for marriage equality.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 14, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    Well I am sure that those lunatic Mormon fundamentalists in remote desert locales like Colorado City, AZ are very happy about this court ruling. As for it having a negative impact on gay marriage being legislated into law in Utah and other intermountain states, that remains to be seen.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 14, 2013 6:31 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidGood, does that mean I can have all kinds of male concubines legally now?
    That depends on whether or not that federal judge's ruling is nationwide or only affects one district of the federal court system. You know how screwy and complicated our federal courts and bureaucracies are.
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    Dec 14, 2013 8:00 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Aristoshark saidGood, does that mean I can have all kinds of male concubines legally now?
    That depends on whether or not that federal judge's ruling is nationwide or only affects one district of the federal court system. You know how screwy and complicated our federal courts and bureaucracies are.


    With open relationship being an acceptable lifestyle in the gay communities since Adam was a boy, we have long had our own form of polygamy. I myself was blessed to of been loved by two men for 11 years, until death do us part was to turn that into one. But I'm also happy with one man, and life is less complicated.

    This is a boost for marriage Equality, something many GLBT people have been fighting for.
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    Dec 14, 2013 8:08 PM GMT
    I know I was born a Bonafide homosexual. Thus in many ways sterile, as I am not able to breed with a women the heterosexual way bisexuals and straight men are.

    People have also been born Bisexual with the ability to have sex with both man and women, no matter who they like the most. They have had the lifestyle choice to take a wife and breed and be seen as a straight husband and daddy while having boyfriends and lovers on the down low; is that not just another form of polygamy?
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    Dec 14, 2013 8:33 PM GMT
    metta8 saidFederal Judge Strikes Down Utah’s Anti-Polygamy Law


    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breaking-federal-judge-strikes-down-utahs-anti-polygamy-law/legal-issues/2013/12/13/80258


    This will be used against us in our fight for marriage equality.


    They can try, and look like idiots in the process. This is about straight men wanting harems.
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    Dec 14, 2013 8:41 PM GMT


    ...and here's the fun part. It's NOT about women being able to create polygamous marriage with multiple husbands, uh-uh. The Mormon church would come out screaming against such an idea, so this has zero to do with equality.

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    Dec 14, 2013 8:55 PM GMT
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    ...and here's the fun part. It's NOT about women being able to create polygamous marriage with multiple husbands, uh-uh. The Mormon church would come out screaming against such an idea, so this has zero to do with equality.



    But The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has zero tolerance on polygamy, be it man or women. Thus there is your equality as both would be treated the same. Outed in the morning excommunicated by evening, and that goes for all.
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    Dec 14, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    meninlove said

    ...and here's the fun part. It's NOT about women being able to create polygamous marriage with multiple husbands, uh-uh. The Mormon church would come out screaming against such an idea, so this has zero to do with equality.



    But The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has zero tolerance on polygamy, be it man or women. Thus there is your equality as both would be treated the same. Outed in the morning excommunicated by evening, and that goes for all.


    Mhmmm, that's like saying the Catholic church represents all Christians.

    Here, some education for you: http://www.todayschristianwoman.com/articles/2007/may/12.64.html
  • xrslst

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    Dec 15, 2013 1:38 AM GMT
    Idk if it could seriously be used against us. Gays are asking for the right to marry whoever we want. Polygamists are asking for a right that no one else has, that is, the right to marry as many people as they want. I think it may be fair to say that we should question the reasons for banning polygamy, and ask whether bans accomplish a legitimate state interest. I think only pundits will use this as fear tactic ammunition against lifting bans on same-sex marriage.
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    Dec 15, 2013 3:35 AM GMT
    Yes and the GLBT parades that look more like a public orgie could be used in a negative way too.icon_confused.gif
  • metta

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    Sep 18, 2014 6:06 PM GMT
    Bigger Love? Same-Sex Marriage and the Poly Problem


    Read more at http://www.bilerico.com/2014/09/bigger_love_same-sex_marriage_and_the_poly_problem.php
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    Sep 18, 2014 6:09 PM GMT
    Do you think that the government can legally demonstrate an interest in preventing polygamy?
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    Sep 18, 2014 7:58 PM GMT
    For me the issue is not whether or not it's institutionally legitimized but whether or not it's held to be actionably illegal.

    There ought to be nothing illegal about it. As long as people aren't harming non-consenting (adult, human--I know for this sometimes idiotic crowd I have to specify) others, they should be allowed to live in what arrangement pleases them.

    But that doesn't mean they should be allowed to benefit more so than everyone else by legitimizing polygamous marriage.

    Will every spouse become a tax shelter, does each non working spouse get their own individual retirement account with those benefits, estate taxation, school funding through property taxes (the children of 50 wives living on one homestead). What of company insurance plans covering families? Etc.

    So for me the issue isn't a matter of morality or legality but of practicality and equality.

    Is that demonstrated or could exemptions be written in, with, say, a primary spouse as the only one of the other otherwise legal spouses who would receive those benefits? But that introduces unfairness into their family. It might be self defeated that an apple wants to be an orange. I tend to think that by definition, they place themselves outside that system. I don't see that as having anything at all to do with marriage equality for gay people.