Have you ever been told to put on a shirt? Where?

  • gpw678

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    Sep 19, 2007 2:34 AM GMT
    Each health club or university may have their own guidelines for conduct or dress pertaining to modesty or as it pertains to hygiene throughout the facility. Some clubs are in states where laws ban sleeveless t-shirts while using the weight machines. Some, like Oregon, are worried about transmitting infections like ringworm, and have told me they require men to wear shirts while playing basketball in their gyms. One day at Kent State University in Ohio, I was warm and removed my shirt and a female employee there told me I had to put it back on. At first I thought it was her way of jeering at my skinny body! (Just kidding!) I asked the VP why they adopted this rule. He said the committee felt that their gym would appear "classier" if the men always wore shirts and the women didn't wear (just) sports bras while in their gym. I informally polled the basketball players and although most said they would like to have the choice, I noticed that the trend at schools or outdoor parks where they do have the choice is that most guys opt to keep their shirts on, although when it's warm outside it might be just to wipe their brow and not because they're self-conscious.

    In 2005 at Broward Community College in Florida, I was using the public library which shares the campus with the college. I took a break to go heat up some food and it was just so warm and humid out (90s) that I took off my shirt and walked across campus to the lunch room. I had noticed another guy with his shirt off by the library. I was stopped by a security guard who informed me that I couldn't walk outside without a shirt! I was flabbergasted because I'm old enough to remember the spring quarters at my university in a northern state in the 70s when there were seas of bodies "catching rays" in the courtyards of the dorms. So I wondered was this rule the result of the difference between a college vs. a university, the difference between the 70s and the 2000s, or the cultural difference between a northern state and a southern one. The security officer took me to the campus sargeant who vouched for the rule, but said furthermore that since I wasn't a student, I was not welcome to use their microwave. I tried to look into the incident by asking the secretary at an affiliated campus whether there was anything in the dress code about this, but she never got back to me. I returned to my northern state and forgot about the incident until I went back there in '06 and decided I'll ask the provost. She responded on 6/15/06: "I have researched your question and found that BCC does not have a policy stating that students must wear shirts on campus. However, there is a policy concerning lude and indecent behavior, but even this policy would not prevent a male student from removing his shirt on campus. The County Library, on the other hand, does have a Customer Code of Conduct that states...use of the library by customers without shirts or shoes is unacceptable and prohibited."

    I will have an interesting report in the future about which areas of the U.S. and Canada required me to put on a shirt when I went into their convenient stores.

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    Sep 19, 2007 9:09 AM GMT
    well I can honestly say I have never heard of that over here in the uk, one gym did say no training vests so I took my top off and said tough tits, get some air con and I will train in something else!

    I have had people make comments when entering a shop on a hot day without a tshirt on, I just tell them not to be so frigid there is nothing unhygenic about it compared to the number of germs they probably have on their hands!

    It is a crazy world we live in where skin offends! You can carry a gun, you can drive like an arsehole but take your top of or show some skin and you have committed a cardinal sin!
  • GQjock

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    Sep 19, 2007 11:07 AM GMT
    No...but I have been asked to take it off :)


    That story just goes to show what a fascist state this has become -
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    Sep 19, 2007 4:31 PM GMT
    most of the things i like to do reqire being shirtless.lol. anyway yes i have been yelled at by other students at my community college to keep my shirt on evem though it was a scorcher and i just retorted to her that she was simply jealous that she couldn't take off hers in this weather. I actually do find it not fair that a man can walk around on the beach shirtless even if they have man boobs but when a woman walks around shirtless they are scoffed at by other women or they are stared at by other men of breeder status. I say if you want to walk around shirtless or clothingless...more power to you.
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    Sep 19, 2007 5:47 PM GMT
    In Columbus men AND women are allowed to be shirtless outdoors should they choose.

    Usually the only women who take advantage of that are the lesbians during Pride.
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    Sep 19, 2007 6:05 PM GMT
    Only once that I can recall; a scorching July day when I, along with a couple of Dutch buddies, decided to cool off in that fountain at the base of the Spanish Steps in Rome. Those carabinieri came charging down those steps blowing their whistles like madmen!

    Personally, I'm in favour of keeping one's shirt on in urban settings, unless down at the park (if permitted). North American society, as a whole, has become far too casual (i.e. sloppy).

    Thanks for the interesting and informative read, gpw. I had wondered why my gym forbade sleeve-less t-shirts!

    Wear your shirts proudly! Be a somebody, not just another body.
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    Sep 19, 2007 6:18 PM GMT
    And what is it about pants. I hate it when people tell me that I need to be wearing pants and shoes.

    Underwear is like short shorts. And its ok for women to wear short shorts.

    Why cant I go barefoot? Why do I need shoes to go to the restaurant?
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    Sep 19, 2007 6:30 PM GMT
    Well... if you^ were sitting pretty in yer briefs down at Chez Maxime's, I might just have the waiter send you their most luscious dessert. :^) Face it though, most people that go about with less almost always could do with more (coverage). IMHO :D
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    Sep 19, 2007 6:48 PM GMT
    Aero, I'd agree with you about North American society becoming too sloppy. The dress code that was required in the fifties is all but obliterated. I'm not someone who will wear tanktops or flip flops even out to dinner unless the venue is beachside. And I know that Rome is very concious about thier dress codes, especially the closer you get to the Vatican.
  • trebor965

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    Sep 19, 2007 7:55 PM GMT
    my boss asked me to button the top button of my shirt, or wear a tshirt. it was only two buttons open. i felt really weirded out by it. like i was flashing man cleavage.
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    Sep 19, 2007 8:05 PM GMT
    Well, I think that the conservatives have gone to far, why do you have to judge people on what they wear anyways. I should be able to go out in whatever I want and not be hasseled.

    I think sandles are classy. I think tank tops make some guys look so hot.

    However if there is a mustard stain on your clothes from last week then maybe you need to put something else on. But who cares what you wear.

    I am one classy bitch even in my underwear and flip flops.

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    Sep 19, 2007 8:19 PM GMT
    I wanna see you in your underwear and flip flops!!!!!!
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    Sep 19, 2007 8:27 PM GMT
    Seems like at the bars it's always the ones who need to have the shirt on who have it off.
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    Sep 19, 2007 9:29 PM GMT
    Now I havent really gone out in a few years but when did Go Go Boys start wearing flipflops while dancing on the bar? If anything, its a safety issue, in my view. Give me a pair of combat boots anyday.

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    Sep 19, 2007 11:39 PM GMT
    I think your more likely to notice the one who is fat and ugly than the average cute guy without his shirt off and so you think it happens more often.

    If its that big of a deal then you must be really shallow. Cuase i bet there is at least one other person who wants to see that guy with his shirt off.
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    Sep 19, 2007 11:55 PM GMT
    I wear cassocks.
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    Sep 22, 2007 2:21 AM GMT
    This reminds me of my first day of classes, in college. I sat down in calculus and some guy walked in and sat in front of me, wearing gym shorts and a Tee shirt. Fresh out of repressive church-controlled high school, I was getting nervous. I was sure he was going to get into trouble, and the rest of us probably would be in trouble too. What a way to start off the semester!

    But the only place where I've recently been told to put on a shirt, was in a gay video chat room. :(
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    Sep 22, 2007 3:14 AM GMT
    I have seen the gamut of dress codes all over the place, though certainly N America is more relaxed than anywhere else.

    When I was teaching p/t at the University I told the kids up front what I expected in my start of term syllabus: I expected them to dress profesionally (I taught Senior seminars and upper division courses), no t-shirts, wife beaters, sports bra's, shorts, open toed shoes or sandles. I only had a problem once.

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  • MSUBioNerd

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    Sep 22, 2007 3:58 AM GMT
    Wow. I can't imagine any professor in my field ever trying to impose a dress code in a syllabus that forbid t shirts, unless it was a university wide dress code. (Frankly, it strikes me as utterly ridiculous outside of business or law school.) Then again, this might be influenced by the fact that most of the professors I've interacted with spend their days in jeans. I will say, though, that unless the course was a required one, I'd be torn between the options of dropping the class and checking with the departmental administration if such restrictions were considered acceptable practice.

    Problems with wife beaters and exposed sports bras seems considerably more reasonable to me. And I'm fine with a ban on open toed shoes if you're teaching a lab course. :)
  • swimbikerun

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    Sep 22, 2007 4:49 AM GMT
    Yeah can_duathlete, every now and then here in L.A. I see some young guy barefoot, walking around
    It's cool!
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    Sep 22, 2007 6:08 AM GMT
    MSU - you stated:

    "Frankly, it strikes me as utterly ridiculous outside of business or law school"

    I did say I only taught Senior seminars and upper division courses... usually Business/Computer Science.

    I think professional dress from a Senior or Grad Student is appropriate, and good training for what they should expect when they graduate.

    I don't like people who look sloppy, it shows they don't care or think it is important. If they can't grow up and be serious about the way they dress - why should I expect that they will be serious about my class: why should I waste my valuable time trying to teach them?
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    Sep 22, 2007 6:46 AM GMT
    "If they can't grow up and be serious about the way they dress - why should I expect that they will be serious about my class: why should I waste my valuable time trying to teach them?"

    I'm with MSUBioNerd on this one. While I've often found myself agreeing with your opinions elsewhere, this statement strikes me as patently ridiculous. Your problem with casual wear is clearly a personal prediliction, not a concern for students' attitudes about your class. If your real concern were about their attitudes towards the class, then you would judge those attitudes on their academic output, which actually reflects their seriousness, not on some spurious indicator.

    If they show up in pajamas, their incentives to perform well in the class would still remain the same: good grades. If anything, it suggests you aren't being adult; if a professor can;t help but be so emotional about something unrelated to the academic transaction taking place, why should the students expect the professor to focus on teaching adequately, if at all?
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    Sep 22, 2007 7:01 AM GMT
    Probably depends on how it's done. Some professors can impose that sort of style, or will, and get away with it fine, and others wouldn't stand a chance.

    I've been in academic situation where the professors threatened something like this -- can't remember what said professors wore though -- but nothing (over my dead body at the time) ever came of it. Actually they were more concerned that hardly anyone actually went to class -- went to class when it was warrented, but not when it wasn't. My attitude was who cares as long as I do fine on the tests?

    But I would that classroom is more than justa intellectual transaction. Not real life maybe, but one's dress and comportment do say a lot about the person.
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    Sep 22, 2007 7:47 AM GMT
    I must say in this case, that I disagree with a number of you.

    As for restaurants, I don't want your skin on or near my food.

    As for retail stores, I don't want your sweaty self dripping on my counters, it is disgusting. I owned a store at one time and I asked people to leave if they did not have a shirt on.

    The same goes for chairs in just about any public place. What makes you think that I want to sit in a chair where you've been sweating all over it because you're hot and want to take your shirt off?

    As for school, the same applies. If it were my classroom it would be my rules. Your lack of clothing distracts from the purpose of the class, which is instruction, not flesh viewing.

    I cannot believe that younger people show flesh and wear flip flops when conducting business. It is very unprofessional.
  • OutOfEden

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    Sep 22, 2007 8:06 AM GMT
    Satyricon I liked your post. I had a humanities teacher tell us that she understood 8am was too early for college kids and that if we came in pajamas that would be better than skipping class. So my routine was wake up, throw on pants and walk to class in slippers, go have breakfast, and then go back to my dorm and shower and dress for the rest of the day during that semester. In Central Florida half of our year is over 80 degrees. Most guys won't walk without shirts on just between classes but many will bike or skateboard without them or if they're reading or playing pickup sports like frisbee on the grass they'll kick off shoes and shirt, it's very casual. However, the simple solution to controling shirtlessness in buildings like the Library or Marketplace is that the air conditioning is kept around 65 degrees and it's just not comfortable!!