"I’m Gay, But I’m Not A Faggot"

  • woow

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    Dec 18, 2013 3:44 PM GMT


    http://acvoice.com/2013/09/14/im-gay-but-im-not-a-faggot/

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    "But if there’s any problem with groups like the Gaybros, it’s this: it’s extremely easy to let your greater acceptance in mainstream masculine culture function as a gateway into malignant, internalized homophobia. I’m talking about when you hear a gay man insisting that he’s “gay, but not a faggot” to his group of straight friends. It’s an approach to assimilation that can unquestioningly accept mainstream masculinity to a fault, one that agrees that, yes, being feminine is not simply humiliating, but something that should be punished."
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    Dec 18, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
    What's so bad about the word "faggot"? Does anybody bleed when this word is uttered or thrown? Is anybody still allowing words such as this to take their dignity and power from them?

    I OWN my power. And, I OWN the power behind such epithet words such as "faggot", "queer", "sissy", "cocksucker", "pickle smoocher", "butt pirate", "fudge packer", "freak", "old man", "Walmart Greeter", "chink", "rickshaw jockey", "spic", "HIV"(diseased), and any other words which anybody might hurl my way.

    And, when people hurl any of those words at me, look out! Because I can take any charge behind any of those words and reflect it back either with amplification that cuts to their soul, or more likely with a transformation that speaks to the heart to heal the hate and hurt. It depends on how much I'm willing to counter the ignorance they are exhibiting in the moment.

    It's time to stop allowing words to define us and "bring us down".

    Hold your head high and OWN your dimensions of diversity (no matter how it is worded).

    OWN YOUR POWER!

    Aloha and Be Well!
    Alan (who is all of the words mentioned above and more)
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    Dec 18, 2013 4:19 PM GMT


    Once upon a rather strange time in history, there was a group called Gaybro. Jim was part of the pack. A rugged he-man, fawned over and popular.

    One day Jim got sick, really sick. A tumour was found in his gallbladder. Complications during surgery. Hospitalization for a period of time.

    When he finally got out he quit Gaybros. Just walked away.

    The doctor who saved him had a lisp and used to cheer him up with outrageous campy humour, peppered with kind compassion and medical expertise.

    One of his nurses, who was there for him on nights when painkillers had been maxed out and he'd struggled on a razor sharp endless ridge of pain, swished about his room, turning down lights, and held his hand when it got bad, using a damp cloth on his head when he fevered.

    The End
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    Dec 18, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
    Lol. /r/gaybros is ok. I've been lurking that sub for some time now and it's not what it makes itself out to be. Based on the thread topics and meetup pics, the number of masc jock bro types are pretty small; almost non existent. Most of the guys there are the ones that don't fit into any particular gay clique or sub culture. It's not a bad place. They don't have any Guy Above You threads at least. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 18, 2013 4:52 PM GMT
    Well if it makes them happy.... they dont bother me
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    Dec 18, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
    GAM, I think it's much easier for 6 foot "athletes" like you and me and others here to give somebody a dirty look for saying "faggot" than for the smaller guys, if you know what I mean.
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:03 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidGAM, I think it's much easier for 6 foot "athletes" like you and me and others here to give somebody a dirty look for saying "faggot" than for the smaller guys, if you know what I mean.


    Well, it's nothing new. Back in the 70s this kind of thing went on.

    Doug in a restaurant next to a table of three gay guys. Host walks past with lone customer in tow, also gay.
    Three guys start snickering about lone gay guy, commenting on clothes, where they've seen him around, stories about his behaviour and faggy-ness. Lone gay slowly picked up on it, blushed, fumbled with his jacket and moved.

    Gay gaggle watches and one says, "Gawd, what a faggot."

    Doug stands up, waayy up to 6ft 1 and 200 lbs, leans towards them and says,
    'So am I."

    We exchange stares. I get waiter and ask rather pleasantly and loud if this is a gay restaurant. He says yes, with a dazzling grin. I suggest that not everyone here apparently knows that, and smile sweetly at the gay gaggle at table 7.
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:07 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidWhat's so bad about the word "faggot"? Does anybody bleed when this word is uttered or thrown? Is anybody still allowing words such as this to take their dignity and power from them?


    YES! This IS RealJock. Everything makes the fetuses here crawl into a corner.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 18, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
    CopperDevil saidWell if it makes them happy.... they dont bother me

    Seriously??? Did you even read the article?icon_confused.gif

    I hate when straight acting gay men call fem guy's faggots, just to assimilate. Not only does it throw people I care about under the bus, but it's embarrassing that these guys actually think this is a way toward acceptance. It's like they're not legit until they've publicly kicked a drag queen between the legs, so to speak.
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    Great story, Men!
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    I don't think anyone actually read the article. OP crafted the thread title to get emotional responses. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:29 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    CopperDevil saidWell if it makes them happy.... they dont bother me

    Seriously??? Did you even read the article?icon_confused.gif

    I hate when straight acting gay men call fem guy's faggots, just to assimilate. Not only does it throw people I care about under the bus, but it's embarrassing that these guys actually think this is a way toward acceptance. It's like they're not legit until they've publicly kicked a drag queen between the legs, so to speak.


    I understand exactly what you mean Joe and you're right... I have just been really let down by the gay community, I wanted it to be a place of acceptance and I just havent felt it.I didnt read it, I'll read it now
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:31 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidWhat's so bad about the word "faggot"? Does anybody bleed when this word is uttered or thrown? Is anybody still allowing words such as this to take their dignity and power from them?

    I OWN my power. And, I OWN the power behind such epithet words such as "faggot", "queer", "sissy", "cocksucker", "pickle smoocher", "butt pirate", "fudge packer", "freak", "old man", "Walmart Greeter", "chink", "rickshaw jockey", "spic", "HIV"(diseased), and any other words which anybody might hurl my way.

    And, when people hurl any of those words at me, look out! Because I can take any charge behind any of those words and reflect it back either with amplification that cuts to their soul, or more likely with a transformation that speaks to the heart to heal the hate and hurt. It depends on how much I'm willing to counter the ignorance they are exhibiting in the moment.

    It's time to stop allowing words to define us and "bring us down".

    Hold your head high and OWN your dimensions of diversity (no matter how it is worded).

    OWN YOUR POWER!

    Aloha and Be Well!
    Alan (who is all of the words mentioned above and more)


    That's so hot...
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:33 PM GMT
    The article is really an ad for /r/gaybros. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:37 PM GMT
    I had a long time friend like this.....

    He used to say "he likes to suck cock and fuck guys and be fucked but he is no fag" icon_lol.gif

    He never 'fit in' to mainstream gay, his biggest concern was not finding anyone into his death metal music who happen to suck cock and take it up the ass, he also has a drinking problem, I once took him to Palm Springs and he freaked out (too faggy)

    Strange thing though, last time we hung around, this extremely hyper (now middle aged) masculine man (with a grim reaper tattoo), is not even remotely interested in other hyper masculine men, this middle aged man is interested in TWINK boys!
    I mean, 21 year olds and younger

    After 20 years of friendship, I couldn't stand him anymore, his self hate along with the booze, we have not spoken for 3 years now

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    Dec 18, 2013 5:43 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnews said
    GAMRican saidWhat's so bad about the word "faggot"? Does anybody bleed when this word is uttered or thrown? Is anybody still allowing words such as this to take their dignity and power from them?

    I OWN my power. And, I OWN the power behind such epithet words such as "faggot", "queer", "sissy", "cocksucker", "pickle smoocher", "butt pirate", "fudge packer", "freak", "old man", "Walmart Greeter", "chink", "rickshaw jockey", "spic", "HIV"(diseased), and any other words which anybody might hurl my way.

    And, when people hurl any of those words at me, look out! Because I can take any charge behind any of those words and reflect it back either with amplification that cuts to their soul, or more likely with a transformation that speaks to the heart to heal the hate and hurt. It depends on how much I'm willing to counter the ignorance they are exhibiting in the moment.

    It's time to stop allowing words to define us and "bring us down".

    Hold your head high and OWN your dimensions of diversity (no matter how it is worded).

    OWN YOUR POWER!

    Aloha and Be Well!
    Alan (who is all of the words mentioned above and more)


    oh HELL no. an derogatory word can NEVER be flipped around or owned, no matter what because you can't take away the history of the word or what is associated with it. sorry but disrespect from anybody shouldn't tolerated PERIOD.


    I don't see where GAM said or even suggested that disrespect should be tolerated. What he said is we don't have to let it own us or get to us. Easier said than done, in my experience, as I tend to get hot pretty fast but I appreciate his point.
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
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    scruffLA saidI had a long time friend like this.....

    He used to say "he likes to suck cock and fuck guys and be fucked but he is no fag" icon_lol.gif

    He never 'fit in' to mainstream gay, his biggest concern was not finding anyone into his death metal music who happen to suck cock and take it up the ass, he also has a drinking problem

    Strange thing though, last time we hung around, this extremely hyper (now middle aged) masculine man (with a grim reaper tattoo), is not even remotely interested in other hyper masculine men, this middle aged man is interested in TWINK boys!
    I mean, 21 year olds and younger

    After 20 years of friendship, I couldn't stand him anymore, his self hate along with the booze, we have not spoken for 3 years now



    I do not blame you.


    he spent 2 years in the army when he was early 20's himself and fucked around with guys all the time, he said it was the most sex he ever had, now as a middle age man, he still wants the twink boys like back in the army, he was a nice looking guy in his 20's (actor Billy Baldwin as he was called), he let himself go physically and his looks faded, like I said, self hatred and unwillingness to accept himself (the booze has taken a toll on him including several DUI's), I just had enough
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    Dec 18, 2013 6:15 PM GMT
    I think we have to face the fact that before psychologists announced that homosexuality was not an illness, the only gays that would come out, didn't need to come out... like Richard Simmons. Gay people were all thought to be the screaming prancers they see on TV, camping it up for comic effect.
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure when someone says "I'm gay but I'm not a faggot," they mean "I don't act like that fruitball Richard Simmons."
    They're not talking about soft or effeminate men. They're talking about this guy.

  • HottJoe

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    Dec 18, 2013 7:43 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidI think we have to face the fact that before psychologists announced that homosexuality was not an illness, the only gays that would come out, didn't need to come out... like Richard Simmons. Gay people were all thought to be the screaming prancers they see on TV, camping it up for comic effect.
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure when someone says "I'm gay but I'm not a faggot," they mean "I don't act like that fruitball Richard Simmons."
    They're not talking about soft or effeminate men. They're talking about this guy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjC-bEQQKlo

    Can't someone let their actions speak for themselves? Do they really have to join in on the Richard Simmons-bashing in order to prove they are more worthy of acceptance???
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    Dec 18, 2013 7:51 PM GMT
    ^I don't understand either of those questions.
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    Dec 18, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
    Geez, you two are being so dull.
    No translation is necessary. That's exactly what I'm saying.
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    Dec 18, 2013 10:07 PM GMT

    As AIDS was killing so many off, this got lost, which is a shame because I loved this show.

    Here's a bro guy and a 'faggoty' guy being best of friends. This is what it was all about, and it's sad to see it lost.




    If you want to see all the episodes, most can be seen on Youtube.
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    Dec 18, 2013 10:08 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidGAM, I think it's much easier for 6 foot "athletes" like you and me and others here to give somebody a dirty look for saying "faggot" than for the smaller guys, if you know what I mean.


    I was not always the muscly 6'1" athlete I am now. At one time, I was less tall, less muscular, quite gangling and easy prey for bullies.

    However, I did play the flute and my flute case drew blood on more than one occasion when a bully attacked me with words and physical assault. One or two good swings of that case (aiming square for the chin) would make it clear that I OWNED my power even when I was a skinny, geeky cocksucker-in-training.
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    Dec 18, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
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    GAMRican saidWhat's so bad about the word "faggot"? Does anybody bleed when this word is uttered or thrown? Is anybody still allowing words such as this to take their dignity and power from them?


    YES! This IS RealJock. Everything makes the fetuses here crawl into a corner.


    That's what I just FUCKING LOVE about RJ. Darwin would be proud.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 18, 2013 10:50 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter said^I don't understand either of those questions.

    I'm saying that calling Richard Simmons a faggot is wrong. Doing so to prove you're NOT a faggot is doubly wrong.

    It doesn't matter if you think he's obnoxious and would never want to be compared to him; you don't have to LIKE him, but the second people start to call him a faggot they're being homophobic. Faggot is gay slur.

    If you're masculine, then just be masculine and let your actions speak for themselves, but don't sit there and call effeminate men faggots.

    Richard Simmons is very camp (I'm not sure how much of it is an act). You could simply say you're less camp than him, or say you're not camp at all... but you're both gay, and people who would say gay men are faggots probably wouldn't see much of a difference between any of us anyway.