MIT Tech Review: Why we will need Genetically Modified Foods

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    Dec 18, 2013 7:19 PM GMT
    http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/522596/why-we-will-need-genetically-modified-foods/
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    Dec 18, 2013 7:54 PM GMT
    But the real question is whether or not environmentalists would rather that people starve...

    One advantage of using genetic engineering to help crops adapt to these sudden changes is that new varieties can be created quickly. Creating a potato variety through conventional breeding, for example, takes at least 15 years; producing a genetically modified one takes less than six months. Genetic modification also allows plant breeders to make more precise changes and draw from a far greater variety of genes, gleaned from the plants’ wild relatives or from different types of organisms. Plant scientists are careful to note that no magical gene can be inserted into a crop to make it drought tolerant or to increase its yield—even resistance to a disease typically requires multiple genetic changes. But many of them say genetic engineering is a versatile and essential technique.

    “It’s an overwhelmingly logical thing to do,” says Jonathan Jones, a scientist at the Sainsbury Laboratory in the U.K. and one of the world’s leading experts on plant diseases. The upcoming pressures on agricultural production, he says, “[are] real and will affect millions of people in poor countries.” He adds that it would be “perverse to spurn using genetic modification as a tool.”
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    Dec 18, 2013 8:42 PM GMT
    what bullshit, I wonder how many GMO patents MIT holds
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    Dec 18, 2013 10:07 PM GMT
    somersault saidwhat bullshit, I wonder how many GMO patents MIT holds


    Probably quite a number. What makes it bullshit? Given the choice would you rather GMOs or mass starvation?
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    Dec 19, 2013 1:33 PM GMT
    Riddler... Sorry 'Somersault' can not specifically say why the information you gave is incorrect. His grudge against holding patents, even multiple ones, is not explained either.
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    Dec 19, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    somersault saidwhat bullshit, I wonder how many GMO patents MIT holds


    Probably quite a number. What makes it bullshit? Given the choice would you rather GMOs or mass starvation?


    MIT just wants to cash in on their patents, there's no need for GMOs and they are harmful. Starvation is caused by overpopulation and corrupt governments.
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:01 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    somersault saidwhat bullshit, I wonder how many GMO patents MIT holds


    Probably quite a number. What makes it bullshit? Given the choice would you rather GMOs or mass starvation?


    MIT just wants to cash in on their patents, there's no need for GMOs and they are harmful. Starvation is caused by overpopulation and corrupt governments.


    Are you also against hybridization?
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
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    somersault said
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    somersault saidwhat bullshit, I wonder how many GMO patents MIT holds


    Probably quite a number. What makes it bullshit? Given the choice would you rather GMOs or mass starvation?


    MIT just wants to cash in on their patents, there's no need for GMOs and they are harmful. Starvation is caused by overpopulation and corrupt governments.


    Are you also against hybridization?


    dude that's been around since Mendel, and probably much earlier, so no
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    somersault said
    riddler78 said
    somersault said
    riddler78 said
    somersault saidwhat bullshit, I wonder how many GMO patents MIT holds


    Probably quite a number. What makes it bullshit? Given the choice would you rather GMOs or mass starvation?


    MIT just wants to cash in on their patents, there's no need for GMOs and they are harmful. Starvation is caused by overpopulation and corrupt governments.


    Are you also against hybridization?


    dude that's been around since Mendel, and probably much earlier, so no


    what does how long it's been around have to do with anything? It's not "natural".
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:16 PM GMT
    hybidization takes place naturally through cross-pollination and reproduction also
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:31 PM GMT
    somersault saidhybidization takes place naturally through cross-pollination and reproduction also


    But the way that we humans do it isn't natural as it attempts to bring out certain traits while reducing others.
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:37 PM GMT
    I'm saying GMOs are not needed, that's all. Starvation is caused by over-population and bad government policy and corruption.

    These idiots keep breeding without any food, wealth or wherewithall, they die. End of story.
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:38 PM GMT
    Here's what Wikipedia has to say about GMOs.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism

    While all technologies can be misused, there are huge, real human problems (i.e. mass starvation from climate change/drought) which can be helped by engineering and rigorously testing crops.

    somersault, if you have fact based reasons for objecting to all GMOs, please share them.
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:42 PM GMT
    4sport saidHere's what Wikipedia has to say about GMOs.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism

    While all technologies can be misused, there are huge, real human problems (i.e. mass starvation from climate change/drought) which can be helped by engineering and rigorously testing crops.

    somersault, if you have fact based reasons for objecting to all GMOs, please share them.


    it's my opinion, i'm not here to educate you - idiots with no food or economic resources pumping out babies while their corrupt governments abandon them is the problem. Friggin Egypt can't even feed itself without Saudi money yet they keep pumping out offspring
  • peterstrong

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    Dec 19, 2013 4:06 PM GMT
    strawberries don't ever mate with fish out in wild nature or even in the world of basic agriculture - GMO is WRONG and BAD and DANGEROUS and UNNEEDED

    Its not hybridization at all,

    Its corporate greed run wild and DANGEROUS !

    We have been fed the same lines of bullshit about how pesticides and herbicides are necessary for growing food for generations - its corporate greed propaganda pure and simple

    Mansanto is now spraying agent orange on GMO crops,
    with absolutely no concern for the air, ground water, or soil.
    That's corporate greed gone wild at the highest levels they have bought off our govt.
    In order to keep their share of the 40 billion in tax dollar subsidies flowing to them.

    Riddler ORGANIC SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE is the last vestige of free market capitalism.

    A level playing field would end the subsidies for junk food and GMO - We also pay for all the $ we give those crony capitalists on the back end with the high cost of obesity - over 300K dead per year because they eat themselves to death with cheap junk food.

    http://www.greenerideal.com/politics/0909-un-study-african-pesticide-use-could-lead-to-a-90-billion-in-illness/
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    Dec 19, 2013 4:22 PM GMT
    http://www.infowars.com/is-monsantos-roundup-glyphosate-the-new-agent-orange/

    and this....



    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/10/food-waste-half-of-all-fo_n_2445022.html
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    Dec 19, 2013 4:29 PM GMT
    peterstrong saidstrawberries don't ever mate with fish out in wild nature - GMO is WRONG and BAD and DANGEROUS and UNNEEDED

    Its not hybridization at all,

    Its corporate greed run wild and DANGEROUS !

    We have been fed the same lines of bullshit about how pesticides and herbicides are necessary for growing food for generations - its corporate greed propaganda pure and simple

    Mansanto is now spraying agent orange on GMO crops,
    with absolutely no concern for the air, ground water, or soil.
    That's corporate greed gone wild at the highest levels they have bought off our govt.
    In order to keep their share of the 40 billion in tax dollar subsidies flowing to them.

    Riddler ORGANIC SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE is the last vestige of free market capitalism.

    A level playing field would end the subsidies for junk food and GMO - We also pay for all the $ we give those crony capitalists on the back end with the high cost of obesity - over 300K dead per year because they eat themselves to death with cheap junk food.

    http://www.greenerideal.com/politics/0909-un-study-african-pesticide-use-could-lead-to-a-90-billion-in-illness/


    Peter, we don't bother with Riddler; he's Contrarian, so you'll get nowhere. However, there are a lot of people who know what you're talking bout, so it's not falling on deaf ears. ...and Merry Christmas! It's been a long time!
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    Dec 19, 2013 4:32 PM GMT
    Luddites anyone? What makes it worse is that the knee jerk opposition to GMOs is in some cases pure evil and otherwise condemns the poor mostly kids to die.

    Is Opposition to Golden Rice “Wicked”?
    The genetically modified organism could save millions of lives.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2013/10/golden_rice_inventor_ingo_potrykus_greenpeace_and_others_wicked_for_opposition.html
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    As for comparing hybridization to GMO as the same, perhaps Riddler can explain how they crossed a person with a rice plant. The sex must have been rather interesting to see. icon_lol.gif

    Or perhaps they pollinated a human egg?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-440302/The-rice-human-genes.html
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    Dec 19, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    As for comparing hybridization to GMO as the same, perhaps Riddler can explain how they crossed a person with a rice plant. The sex must have been rather interesting to see. icon_lol.gif

    Or perhaps they pollinated a human egg?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-440302/The-rice-human-genes.html


    See note about about "evil". Of course, I have to imagine generally speaking you're too stupid to actually have a rational view but thank you for your opinion. Maybe one day you'll have something interesting to say. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 19, 2013 7:57 PM GMT
    maybe they should GMO some wheat with a condom for some of these dumb ass countries hahahaha
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    Dec 19, 2013 9:02 PM GMT
    so if the point is that "poor people can't afford food" how is "pay monsanto for seeds every year, never being able to reuse your own crop" going to help the poor?

    Did monsanto stop licensing seeds?

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    Shouldnt the practitioners of ISLAM be sending food, education, and support to their fellow starving people...it seems to match fairly closely with occurance.

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    "This is poor little X, she is 8 years old. She lives in this 2 ounce cardboard box. Every day she carries this 8 ton jug of water 85 miles across a desert back to her 2 ounce box. She hasn't figured out yet to move the box to the water supply."


    There should be a HUGE push to install homosexuality as the predominate form of sexual pleasure in Africa, parts of south east asia, and other typical suspects. At the very least, start making "female adult only" compounds, and pretty much banish or kill the useless males over 15 there.
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    Apparition saidso if the point is that "poor people can't afford food" how is "pay monsanto for seeds every year, never being able to reuse your own crop" going to help the poor?

    Did monsanto stop licensing seeds?




    lol, you figured Riddler out. It's about money, not people.


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    Dec 19, 2013 10:49 PM GMT
    The "Designer Baby" business is actually something far more worrisome than GMOs. icon_lol.gif

    Merry Christmas
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    Dec 20, 2013 3:49 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidLuddites anyone? What makes it worse is that the knee jerk opposition to GMOs is in some cases pure evil and otherwise condemns the poor mostly kids to die.



    Dr. Frankenstein anyone ? We have been told for generations that pesticides and herbicides are needed to feed all the starving in other parts of the world.
    Pure propaganda covering for corporate greed.

    Insects out number humans on this planet by a factor of like http://thatwhy.com/why-bugs-outnumber-us-and-other-mammals-312-to-1/ and they reproduce new generations faster with adaptions to get around the toxic chemicals and now even the GMOs. Stupid greedy corporatist fools think poisoning our planet faster is the way to win or get around the insects -
    http://www.si.edu/Encyclopedia_SI/nmnh/buginfo/bugnos.htm its basically an impossible feat that gives lots of people cancer and ruins our air, water, and soil in the trying.
    The GMO liars will say they want this so we can use less toxic chemicals, but the truth is they are doing it in order to use chemicals that are even more toxic than the old ones. And to patent life, ie. stealing it