Walt Disney World & Lockheed Martin ends Boy Scouts donations over ban on gay scout leaders

  • metta

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    Dec 19, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    Lockheed Martin ends Boy Scouts donations over ban on gay scout leaders

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/lockheed-martin-ends-boy-scouts-donations-over-ban-on-gay-scout-leaders/
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    Dec 19, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
    metta8 saidLockheed Martin ends Boy Scouts donations over ban on gay scout leaders

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/lockheed-martin-ends-boy-scouts-donations-over-ban-on-gay-scout-leaders/



    and.... this is a good thing?
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    Dec 20, 2013 1:57 AM GMT
    tantiboh said
    metta8 saidLockheed Martin ends Boy Scouts donations over ban on gay scout leaders

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/lockheed-martin-ends-boy-scouts-donations-over-ban-on-gay-scout-leaders/

    and.... this is a good thing?

    No, a GREAT thing! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 20, 2013 10:38 AM GMT
    So they told the BSA to "take a hike". icon_cool.gif

    Sweet.
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    Dec 20, 2013 10:46 AM GMT
    Why don't they have cookies?
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    Dec 20, 2013 11:14 AM GMT
    It was a stupid distinction anyway... "We'll let gay Boys join troops and advance through the ranks, but they will NEVER be allowed to be a leader as an adult".

    The BSA lost a ton in donations when they got very loud with their anti-gay stance. Places with "open arms" policies refused to sponsor troops. I think there were some other organizations that stopped donating to the BSA.

    They'll come around... that ball is already rolling..
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Dec 20, 2013 12:36 PM GMT
    I went to my local council this year and said I was a gay parent with a 6 year old boy who wanted to enjoy scouting just like his gay father did AND that I wanted to be able to participate as his father.

    They said no problem, that national scouting had a lot to figure out, and they matched me with a troop that had absolutely no problems with my sexuality.

    Longer story shorter I am the Den Leader, I serve on the Pack Leaders Council, the regional council director asked me to serve to on the nominating committee for the Board of Directors, and my boy is having a blast.
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    Dec 20, 2013 12:38 PM GMT
    SouloGuero saidWhy don't they have cookies?


    Maybe because baking is too gay?
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Dec 20, 2013 12:48 PM GMT
    Most important part of the article: The next BSA board president will be Robert Gates.

    As defense secretary under President Barack Obama, Gates helped change the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy banning openly gay soldiers.

    Gay-rights groups have praised the appointment of Gates and called on him to push the organization to end discrimination against gay adults.

    They have to change to survive and they know it.
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    Dec 20, 2013 12:53 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC saidI went to my local council this year and said I was a gay parent with a 6 year old boy who wanted to enjoy scouting just like his gay father did AND that I wanted to be able to participate as his father.

    They said no problem, that national scouting had a lot to figure out, and they matched me with a troop that had absolutely no problems with my sexuality.

    Longer story shorter I am the Den Leader, I serve on the Pack Leaders Council, the regional council director asked me to serve to on the nominating committee for the Board of Directors, and my boy is having a blast.

    Great that you and your son are experiencing this treatment, and I hope it continues. But it's still the local exception, and violates national BSA policy. There was a case last year of a lesbian Den Mother who was booted by the regional council because of her orientation, so that your situation does not represent the BSA overall. It still discriminates against gays on paper and in practice.

    As for Gates, we may soon learn how much he really supports gays, and how much he was just following White House orders at the Pentagon.
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Dec 20, 2013 1:01 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    LuckyGuyKC saidI went to my local council this year and said I was a gay parent with a 6 year old boy who wanted to enjoy scouting just like his gay father did AND that I wanted to be able to participate as his father.

    They said no problem, that national scouting had a lot to figure out, and they matched me with a troop that had absolutely no problems with my sexuality.

    Longer story shorter I am the Den Leader, I serve on the Pack Leaders Council, the regional council director asked me to serve to on the nominating committee for the Board of Directors, and my boy is having a blast.

    Good that you and your son are experiencing this treatment, and I hope it continues. But it's still the local exception, and violates national BSA policy. There was a case last year of a lesbian Den Mother who was booted by the regional council because of her orientation, so that your situation does not represent the BSA overall. It still discriminates against gays on paper and in practice.

    As for Gates, we may soon learn how much he really supports gays, and how much he was just following White House orders.


    I was told the national policy would be changing soon and I told them that I was not willing to lay low. Still all involved said no problem. My boyfriend helped build my boy's cubmobile and he attended the races. All of the mostly Catholic parents of my Den have been in my home for a barbeque and painting party for the soapbox car.

    I have been told by the regaional director that this local exception is the norm and that many if not most regional councils are ignoring the national policy.
  • TheSkyWasYell...

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    Dec 21, 2013 1:35 AM GMT
    Good for Lockheed. I just wish they'd still build quiet, ultra-reliable, comfortable passenger jets like the L10-11's I used to fly to Hawaii.
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    Dec 21, 2013 2:16 AM GMT
    Lockheed's support for the Boy Scouts is miniscule in comparison to NBC's support for Russia and the Salvation Army.

    So why is it ok for liberal NBC to support antigay activities?
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    Dec 21, 2013 6:33 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    tantiboh said
    metta8 saidLockheed Martin ends Boy Scouts donations over ban on gay scout leaders

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/lockheed-martin-ends-boy-scouts-donations-over-ban-on-gay-scout-leaders/

    and.... this is a good thing?

    No, a GREAT thing! icon_biggrin.gif


    BSA is an organization that does a lot of good. It disturbs me to see us as a community cheering on things that hurt them simply because they disagree with us.

    When the anti-gays complain about gays demanding special treatment etc., this mentality is what they're talking about.

    I think this news hurts us more than it helps us, because it is another data point that we are an unreasonable group of people who are happy to see damage done if we don't get our way.

    I'll be gay. I don't need the world's approval or acceptance; I'm secure in who I am. I don't need to bully others to agree with me. If this were the attitude of the gay community at large, we'd win a lot more acceptance. Our current approach is alienating people; mark my words, there will be a backlash if it continues.
  • wellwell

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    Dec 21, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
    Tantibo, your problem is: You make way-too-much good common-sense!


    I'm quite sure, that the vast majority of "the community" does not understand: The BS of A is a private club, chartered by Congress; and requires, certain commitments for membership.

    If it was any other organization, the wide-spread bullying, preferred-tactics used elsewhere may have worked by now.

    I'm aware the community prefers knee-jerk tactics, for the redress of grievances (frankly, it's a little stoneaged). Be that as it may, the Charter of the BS of A (fully-approved of by Congress) is quite clear on certain facts; ie, the specific requirements, just like the Masonic Lodge, deny membership to anyone who proclaims atheism. One more point normally (or conveniently) overlooked is the fact that homosexuality, just like socialism, is a gross-violation of the Scout Oath & Law. Those who wish to change the institution, in the usa, will have a very difficult time of it; without, some action by Congress.

    I'm not willing to argue these points within the Forums, but send a "polite" Email, if you have any questions. Likely, I'll send you a polite reply.
  • Selfie77

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    Dec 21, 2013 7:38 PM GMT
    Good to see a major corporation doing the socially responsible thing.
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    Dec 21, 2013 9:02 PM GMT
    Selfie77 saidGood to see a major corporation doing the socially responsible thing.


    Cuz harming a socially beneficial organization is the socially responsible thing to do, natch.
  • wellwell

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    Dec 21, 2013 9:05 PM GMT
    ...makes perfectly-good sense to me: LOL !!!
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    Dec 21, 2013 10:51 PM GMT
    tantiboh said
    Selfie77 saidGood to see a major corporation doing the socially responsible thing.

    Cuz harming a socially beneficial organization is the socially responsible thing to do, natch.

    Do you define "socially beneficial organization" as one which demonizes gay men in the eyes of young boys, by declaring gays unfit to take leadership roles in the scouts? Men who should be banned from having any contacts with boys? What social benefit does that impart to young boys?

    The Hitler Youth and the USSR's Pioneers both offered children great opportunities for outdoors activities, and learning many useful & practical skills. And an early introduction into hatred and bigotry, and political indoctrination.

    Sorry, a prejudicial group is not a socially beneficial organization. I don't care how many campfires they build, or how many hikes they take, or knots they tie. And it saddens me to think that anyone, most of all a gay man, would consider the BSA as currently structured to be beneficial to society.
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    Dec 21, 2013 11:02 PM GMT
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    tantiboh said
    Selfie77 saidGood to see a major corporation doing the socially responsible thing.

    Cuz harming a socially beneficial organization is the socially responsible thing to do, natch.

    Do you define "socially beneficial organization" as one which demonizes gay men in the eyes of young boys, by declaring gays unfit to take leadership roles in the scouts? Men who should be banned from having any contacts with boys? What social benefit does that impart to young boys?

    The Hitler Youth and the USSR's Pioneers both offered children great opportunities for outdoors activities, and learning many useful & practical skills. And an early introduction into hatred and bigotry, and political indoctrination.

    Sorry, a prejudicial group is not a socially beneficial organization. I don't care how many campfires they build, or how many hikes they take, or knots they tie. And it saddens me to think that anyone, most of all a gay man, would consider the BSA as currently structured to be beneficial to society.


    Take a look at the Scout Law and the Scout Oath. These are the values the BSA attempts to instill in the youth. The outdoor skills are incidental; the values are the goal.

    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/boyscouts.aspx

    The BSA's social benefit is to teach boys how to be good, honorable men. The obsession the gay community has with the "morally straight" clause is pretty pathetic. And it pisses off the people you're trying to persuade.

    The perception is that gay activists won't be satisfied until a rainbow flag is flying over every troop. There's a grain of truth in that. It will come back and bite us if we don't rein in our fanatics.
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    Dec 21, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    tantiboh said
    Selfie77 saidGood to see a major corporation doing the socially responsible thing.


    Cuz harming a socially beneficial organization is the socially responsible thing to do, natch.

    Really, and without any sort of pressure, you expect organizations to spontaneously change?
    Wow.
    Naive.


    Why is bullying the only pressure the gay activist seems to understand?
  • wellwell

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    Dec 21, 2013 11:06 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said

    Sorry, a prejudicial group is not a socially beneficial organization. I don't care how many campfires they build, or how many hikes they take, or knots they tie. And it saddens me to think that anyone, most of all a gay man, would consider the BSA as currently structured to be beneficial to society.




    ... Then, you have miniscule & prejudicial vision.

    It is far more simple than the homo-thugs have portrayed it. In fact, it is as simple as abortion: If you don't like abortion, don't get one; if you don't like the BS of A, DON'T JOIN !
  • wellwell

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    Dec 21, 2013 11:11 PM GMT
    When viewing this:


    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/boyscouts.aspx


    Please be cognizant: This "Scout Law" was watered-down many decades ago, and is missing a great-deal of script!
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    Dec 21, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
    wellwell said
    ART_DECO said

    Sorry, a prejudicial group is not a socially beneficial organization. I don't care how many campfires they build, or how many hikes they take, or knots they tie. And it saddens me to think that anyone, most of all a gay man, would consider the BSA as currently structured to be beneficial to society.




    ... Then, you have miniscule & prejudicial vision.

    It is far more simple than the homo-thugs have portrayed it. In fact, it is as simple as abortion: If you don't like abortion, don't get one; If you don't like the BS of A, DON'T JOIN !


    No! You called a gay man prejudiced! FASCIST!!!11!!!!11

    Seriously, there are so many intolerant queens demanding tolerance. Hypocrites, all.
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    Dec 21, 2013 11:18 PM GMT
    Why am I completely unsurprised to discover Scouts Canada issued a press release awhile ago reminding people that they welcome gay people at all levels. It seems as if they cringe every time the issue of gays and scouting wafts up from the US.