Free speech & duck dynasty

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    Dec 20, 2013 11:57 AM GMT
    I have to be honest I never watch Duck Dynasty. I never heard the name Phil Robertson before. So when he made anti- homosexual comments, I thought to my self,"what a nut!", and continue with my day! His words did not harm me in any way! Even though I didn't like what he said, I realized he has every right to think and say what he wants according to the first amendment! Just like i have the right to disagree and speak against his comments! We must support free speech even with those we disagree with in order to protect our own rights! If we try to stop people from exercise their first amendment right, then others will try to take our rights as well! What say you?
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    Dec 20, 2013 12:04 PM GMT
    What did he say? The first amendment specifically says it does not cover hate speech.
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    Dec 20, 2013 12:07 PM GMT
    AMENDMENT I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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    Dec 20, 2013 12:27 PM GMT
    "If the law regulates the content of the expression, it must serve a compelling state interest and must be narrowly written to achieve that interest (Perry Education Ass'n v. Perry Local Educators' Ass'n, 460 U.S. 37, 103 S. Ct. 948, 74 L. Ed. 2d 794 [1983]). Restrictions on speech in a public forum also may be upheld if the expressive activity being regulated is of a type that is not entitled to full First Amendment protection, such as Obscenity."

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
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    Dec 20, 2013 12:48 PM GMT
    I work in retail, and when I'm on their time I am representing the company. If I said something negative towards any minority (or anyone really) I am representing my right of free speech, but I'm also going to suffer the consequences because I am representing my employer as well.

    A&E has every right to fire Phil. He represents A&E, and for him to say something like that is either A.) career suicide or B.) A publicity stunt.

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    Dec 20, 2013 1:02 PM GMT
    Amazing how, when anyone complained about what they consider pornography on display (Piss Christ or Robert Mapplethorpe exhibit) or even someone burning the US flag, all you heard was "That is a first amendment right!"


    Yet, let someone say something that a protected class (Jews, Blacks, Gays, Latinos..) doesn't like to hear then suddenly everybody is a constitutional scholar!
    SMH


    Before you rant and bitch at me: From what I have read about it, he was paraphrasing a passage from the New Testament bible. I don't see how that's 'hate' speech.
    He wasn't inciting people to stone anyone, or to even yell crude comments at gays! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 20, 2013 1:07 PM GMT
    Lee1368 said Just like i have the right to disagree and speak against his comments! We must support free speech even with those we disagree with in order to protect our own rights! If we try to stop people from exercise their first amendment right, then others will try to take our rights as well! What say you?


    Need quoting again!!!
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    Dec 20, 2013 1:09 PM GMT
    not knowing much about this case, i googled it and found the below clip. it doesn't seem like what he said constitutes hate speech; however, he was suspended from a television show. television personalities are suspended all the time for what they say because that's what is in their contracts.

    i don't think this is a case of freedom of speech violation. just as much as he has the right to say what he wants, the public has a right to respond to his views. since this is a show that financially depends on public viewers, i can understand the network having a clause regulating what they say and how they are perceived by the public.



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    Dec 20, 2013 1:18 PM GMT
    What Sean said.
    Show biz is different than other businesses. They can hire or fire at will. Everything is ratings.
    People are legally protected, most of the time, to say what they want. They are not legally protected from non-government repercussions.
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    Dec 20, 2013 1:19 PM GMT
    People are confusing what the first amendment covers. It covers his right to make the statements - yes.

    What he said didn't threaten anyone and it is not hate speech.

    However, the first amendment doesn't protect an individual's job. If I went to the media and made the same type of statements, and the college I work for disagreed and felt that it conflicted with the mission of the university, then they would also have the right to terminate me because the media representation could damage the credibility of the campus.

    He used his free speech and made statements in a magazine. Done. He was not prosecuted or punished by the letter of the law. This is not a first amendment case. It's a labor law issue.

    A&E could have lost advertising contracts and revenue. Just as Food Network made a decision to remove Paula Deen, A&E made a decision that was within their rights.
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    Dec 20, 2013 1:20 PM GMT
    You say what you want, but you have to be responsible for that. Including being challenged, being protested against.
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    Dec 20, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
    gayusasian82 saidYou say what you want, but you have to be responsible for that. Including being challenged, being protested against.


    yup!
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    Dec 20, 2013 1:33 PM GMT
    This is pretty hateful...
    http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-78916
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    Dec 20, 2013 1:41 PM GMT
    TheQuest saidPeople are confusing what the first amendment covers. It covers his right to make the statements - yes.

    What he said didn't threaten anyone and it is not hate speech.

    However, the first amendment doesn't protect an individual's job. If I went to the media and made the same type of statements, and the college I work for disagreed and felt that it conflicted with the mission of the university, then they would also have the right to terminate me because the media representation could damage the credibility of the campus.

    He used his free speech and made statements in a magazine. Done. He was not prosecuted or punished by the letter of the law. This is not a first amendment case. It's a labor law issue.

    A&E could have lost advertising contracts and revenue. Just as Food Network made a decision to remove Paula Deen, A&E made a decision that was within their rights.

    Everyone should read this before going into free speech rants.
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    Dec 20, 2013 2:33 PM GMT
    I think the most shocking thing is that there's a reality tv show that revolves around a family that makes duck calls.

    The next A&E show should be about the family that got rich from making those little plastic tips on shoe laces. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 20, 2013 3:24 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI think the most shocking thing is that there's a reality tv show that revolves around a family that makes duck calls.

    The next A&E show should be about the family that got rich from making those little plastic tips on shoe laces. icon_lol.gif

    So true.
    And then there's the storage show called "Storage Wars" and the one called "Storage Hunters" and the spin-offs such as "Storage Wars Texas" and "Auction Hunters."

    Oh - and we've also got articles comparing the pros and cons of each...

    http://m.voices.yahoo.com/which-storage-auction-tv-show-best-8814565.html

    Of course, if there were hot guys on these shows, it would all make sense to me.
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    Dec 20, 2013 3:50 PM GMT
    It is amazing that a redneck had an open mic and he said nothing about Jews.
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    Dec 20, 2013 4:38 PM GMT
    Saying that gays are going to hell is hate speech, as far as I'm concerned.
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    Dec 20, 2013 4:44 PM GMT
    Dumb people say the dumbest things.
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    Dec 20, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidTwo things to remember in this case. First, you do have rights, such as freedom of speech, but you can always give it away in return for something such as money. This is what the duck guy did. Typical entertainment contracts would control that. Imagine if any Disney actors were to also have a porn career on the side. The second thing is commercial speech within freedom of speech can be regulated and this is what we have here.


    Yep, pretty much this.
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    Dec 20, 2013 6:06 PM GMT
    Saying that women belong in the kitchen, blacks should be enslaved and gays are just the same as drunkcards and prostitutes(and should be treated accordingly) are all forms of speech that discriminate against minorities and should not be toletared under any sort of amendment, the fucktard deserved to be fired. People have this idea that speech is just a mild form of expression that everyone is entitled to without consequences.
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    Dec 20, 2013 6:29 PM GMT
    It's not a free-speech issue. In no way has this person been told he can't say any ignorant, hate-fanning thing he likes. Freedom of speech guarantees the right to free expression, it does not guarantee the right to your own TV show.

    Nor does freedom of speech in any way imply that A&E are obliged to host material which is likely to damage their ratings.

    Someone spoke of Maplethorpe, etc., above. The same rules hold: an artist can say what he pleases; but no one is obliged to reward him for doing so, though in the area of government support of the arts, the situation is complex: the grant body really has to make a strong effort not to try to control the content of the art. Lots of gray areas in this one!
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    Dec 20, 2013 8:13 PM GMT
    I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
    Voltaire, (Attributed); originated in "The Friends of Voltaire", 1906, by S. G. Tallentyre (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
    French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 177icon_cool.gif


    With all this division in US between 'us' and "them", the above no longer is true.
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    Dec 20, 2013 8:23 PM GMT
    Thanks a lot, Sean for posting that godamn video that plays automatically!!
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    Dec 20, 2013 8:28 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI think the most shocking thing is that there's a reality tv show that revolves around a family that makes duck calls.

    When you stop watching tv altogether, after a while you cease to be surprised by the crap that's on tv.

    Well, that's not really true. When I travel and turn on the tv in the hotel room I really am amazed by all the crap that's on tv. But what's amazing is that it's not the fringe stuff like your example, but the mainstream stuff that everyone is watching.