Duck Dynasty - Views from a openly gay, dissident feminist

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    Dec 20, 2013 1:53 PM GMT
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/19/paglia-duck-dynasty-uproar-utterly-fascist-utterly-stalinist/?

    "The suspension of Phil Robertson from A&E’s Duck Dynasty is outrageous in a nation that values freedom, according to social critic and openly gay, dissident feminist Camille Paglia.

    “I speak with authority here, because I was openly gay before the ‘Stonewall rebellion,’ when it cost you something to be so. And I personally feel as a libertarian that people have the right to free thought and free speech,” Paglia, a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, said on Laura Ingraham’s radio show Thursday.

    “In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as well as they have the right to support homosexuality — as I one hundred percent do. If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again they have a right of religious freedom there,” she added.

    Robertson has been suspended from Duck Dynasty due to comments he made to GQ that have been deemed “anti-gay.” According to Paglia, the culture has become too politically correct.

    “To express yourself in a magazine in an interview — this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades,” Paglia said. “This is the whole legacy of free speech 1960’s that have been lost by my own party.”

    Paglia went on to point out that while she is an atheist she respects religion and has been frustrated by the intolerance of gay activists.

    “I think that this intolerance by gay activists toward the full spectrum of human beliefs is a sign of immaturity, juvenility,” Paglia said. “This is not the mark of a true intellectual life. This is why there is no cultural life now in the U.S. Why nothing is of interest coming from the major media in terms of cultural criticism. Why the graduates of the Ivy League with their A, A, A+ grades are complete cultural illiterates, etc. is because they are not being educated in any way to give respect to opposing view points.”

    “There is a dialogue going on human civilization, for heaven sakes. It’s not just this monologue coming from fanatics who have displaced the religious beliefs of their parents into a political movement,” she added. “And that is what happened to feminism, and that is what happened to gay activism, a fanaticism.”
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    Dec 20, 2013 4:58 PM GMT

    He sold his freedom of speech to a corporation for money. Yes, it's that simple.
  • JuneauMike

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    Dec 20, 2013 5:29 PM GMT
    You have the Constitutional right to free speech, but not a Constitutional right to a reality show.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 20, 2013 5:37 PM GMT
    I deleted my original comment here. I was trying to make a point about free speech, but I just can't get behind hate speech, even it's done facetiously and to send a message. I just don't want to associate myself with it.
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    Dec 20, 2013 6:02 PM GMT
    The man is entitled to his opinion. We don't have to like it. He doesn't have to like ours, either.
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    Dec 20, 2013 6:04 PM GMT
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    Dec 20, 2013 6:20 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidThe man is entitled to his opinion. We don't have to like it. He doesn't have to like ours, either.


    Who said he doesn't have the right? Nobody is suggesting that he be hauled off to prison, or that the police go and shoot him.

    But A&E has the right to choose who they put on the air. Or... on the cable. What about their rights? What if they don't want to be associated someone of his ilk anymore?

    I have the right to express my opinions about freedom and equality, but that doesn't mean Fox News has to put me on a show.
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    Dec 20, 2013 7:18 PM GMT
    JuneauMike said
    Blakes7 saidThe man is entitled to his opinion. We don't have to like it. He doesn't have to like ours, either.


    Who said he doesn't have the right? Nobody is suggesting that he be hauled off to prison, or that the police go and shoot him.

    But A&E has the right to choose who they put on the air. Or... on the cable. What about their rights? What if they don't want to be associated someone of his ilk anymore?

    I have the right to express my opinions about freedom and equality, but that doesn't mean Fox News has to put me on a show.


    But they won't fire him. They "suspended" him, but it's on hiatus anyway because the next season has already been filmed. When it's time to begin filming again, his "suspension" will be over. In other words, it's meaningless PR crap to appease the easily offended and easily fooled. You think a&e is putting your concerns over profit, but it's quite the reverse. They are the ones who should be protested against, not this one man who said something that others don't agree with.
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    Dec 20, 2013 7:38 PM GMT
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    JuneauMike said
    Blakes7 saidThe man is entitled to his opinion. We don't have to like it. He doesn't have to like ours, either.


    Who said he doesn't have the right? Nobody is suggesting that he be hauled off to prison, or that the police go and shoot him.

    But A&E has the right to choose who they put on the air. Or... on the cable. What about their rights? What if they don't want to be associated someone of his ilk anymore?

    I have the right to express my opinions about freedom and equality, but that doesn't mean Fox News has to put me on a show.


    But they won't fire him. They "suspended" him, but it's on hiatus anyway because the next season has already been filmed. When it's time to begin filming again, his "suspension" will be over. In other words, it's meaningless PR crap to appease the easily offended and easily fooled. You think a&e is putting your concerns over profit, but it's quite the reverse. They are the ones who should be protested against, not this one man who said something that others don't agree with.


    I think it will be really good for ratings. There are likely a bunch of folks who have never heard of this show or A&E that might tune in now. Hell, I might even watch an episode .... still unlikely that I'll plant myself in front of a TV for 30 minutes or an hour unless it's on when I'm doing cardio. Still prefer Fox News for cardio time.
  • JuneauMike

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    Dec 21, 2013 4:11 AM GMT
    There is a difference between having an opinion, and the government saying you have no right to say or express that, and the simple matter of everyday people/groups/corporations being offended by your words and deciding they no longer wish to associate with you. The Duck Dynasty guy equated being gay with bestiality, among other things. That is an out and out lie. But even so, the government doesn't say he can't say that. It is the people around him, who saw or heard about his GQ interview, who were offended by it. He has every right to say whatever he wants. But the people at A&E, likewise, have the right to say they do not want to be associated with him or his words. He has the right to free speech, as he demonstrated in his GQ article. But he does not have a Constitutional right to an A&E reality show. A&E has freedom of association, too!
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    Dec 21, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    JuneauMike said
    I have the right to express my opinions about freedom and equality, but that doesn't mean Fox News has to put me on a show.

    If you express opinions in support of freedom and equality there's little likelihood Fox News will ever want you on a show.
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    Dec 21, 2013 11:43 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidCamille Paglia is such an asshole. And not because of this. She earned her asshole stripes years ago.


    She didn't wipe well?
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    Dec 22, 2013 6:48 AM GMT
    Camille Pagila is awesome. It's nice to see a feminist who's actually pro-male.
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    Dec 22, 2013 7:01 AM GMT
    libertpaulian saidCamille Pagila is awesome. It's nice to see a feminist who's actually pro-male.


    I've never paid all that much attention to her. Very interesting. Wound a little tight though.

  • TroyAthlete

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    Dec 22, 2013 9:32 AM GMT
    In which Paglia again proves she doesn't understand what fascism or Stalinism is (everyone who agrees or disagrees with her -- basically everyone who is not her -- is on par with Hitler, it's her go-to).

    Robertson's apologists -- the usual suspects of course -- are carrying over-the-top crybaby whining to new heights. Now he's a victim of Stalinism?

    He was suspended by a network for making racist and homophobic comments with which they rightly did not want to be associated. Only the minds of psuedo-controversial desperate-to-stay-relevant academic relics like Camille Paglia does this put him on the level on concentration camp victims. Truly, when you think of the great atrocities throughout world history, you think the Holocaust, Stalinism, and...someone being suspended from a reality show.

    Paglia lost all claim to being a feminist (and to relevancy) when she got wet and threw Hillary Clinton under the bus in 2008 to fellate Obama's unqualified black cock, but that's another story for another day.
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    Dec 22, 2013 12:13 PM GMT
    Bottom line

    He can say all the bigoted racist hateful remarks he wants
    And those who are defending him are right
    He is free to say them

    But he's Not guaranteed a platform via cable television from which to spew them

    Now if you'd like to discuss this further I think you'd wanna send an apology first to Martin Bashir and the Dixie Chicks
    cause you were a bit laxed in your defense of them
  • JuneauMike

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    Dec 22, 2013 12:54 PM GMT
    President Obama has done so much good for this country, I don't even know where to begin. It is truly in that mans heart to want to help people. And help he has.

    But if sheeple want to jump on the Republican, right-wing attack machine because that is the easiest thing for their intellectually lazy minds to do, I guess that is their right.
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    Dec 22, 2013 2:46 PM GMT
    JuneauMike saidPresident Obama has done so much good for this country, I don't even know where to begin. It is truly in that mans heart to want to help people. And help he has.

    But if sheeple want to jump on the Republican, right-wing attack machine because that is the easiest thing for their intellectually lazy minds to do, I guess that is their right.


    Gimme a list of ten things. I can only think of one: That he's a good speaker. Otherwise his divisive, Alinsky tactics and common arrogance and proven LIES cannot be thought of as "good for this country" by anyone EXCEPT the "intellectually lazy".
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    Dec 22, 2013 3:25 PM GMT
    1)Ended the Iraq War, saving many American lives.
    2)Signed the Start 2 treaty with Russia, making the world a safer place.
    3)Signed the Matthew Shepard Act, protecting the rights of glbt Americans.
    4)Put progressives on the Supreme Court, and other courts, leading to monumentally important decisions in regard to DOMA, Prop 8 and now gay marriage in Utah.
    5)Took down a dictator in Libya
    6)Convinced Syria to allow the world to destroy its chemical weapons
    7)Saved the auto industry with REPAID loans, or loans that are being repaid.
    icon_cool.gifBoosted fuel efficiency for cars that will nearly double fuel mileage.
    9)Increased the budget for the Department of Veterans Affairs
    10)Reformed the credit card industry (no more unannounced rate increases, limits fees, etc.)
    11)Increased the budget, and the responsibilities of, the FDA, making food safer.
    12)Increased funding for school lunches.
    13)Brokered deal to quickly compensate the victims of the Gulf oil spill.
    14)Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.

    OK, there is a small start.
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    Dec 22, 2013 8:34 PM GMT
    You really are naive, aren't you. You shouldn't believe everything a politician tells you. Your list is LOL funny. Pie in the sky, utopian dreams. Very little of it will be realized, and at very high cost. At the end of the list, you should add: "And on the 7th day, He rested".
  • JuneauMike

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    Dec 22, 2013 8:50 PM GMT
    Great, another straight, right wing unverified RJ troll. Ignore list.
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    Dec 22, 2013 8:55 PM GMT
    Again, people are acting like this person is being beaten in some rat infested cell or something. People get fired for being stupid everyday, it's not fascist.
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    Dec 22, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidYou really are naive, aren't you. You shouldn't believe everything a politician tells you. Your list is LOL funny. Pie in the sky, utopian dreams. Very little of it will be realized, and at very high cost. At the end of the list, you should add: "And on the 7th day, He rested".


    Hilarious list for the most part. The gym awaits so I don't have time to refute item by item, and besides, I've already done that many times. Item # 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, and 10 are particularly funny and quite a stretch.

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    Dec 22, 2013 10:32 PM GMT
    JuneauMike saidGreat, another straight, right wing unverified RJ troll. Ignore list.



    Bye.
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    Dec 27, 2013 9:54 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidI deleted my original comment here. I was trying to make a point about free speech, but I just can't get behind hate speech, even it's done facetiously and to send a message. I just don't want to associate myself with it.


    So what do you call it when you have hated on me; prey tell.