Washington state Catholic high school fires vice principal not for being homo, but for marrying BF.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 20, 2013 11:20 PM GMT
    http://on.aol.com/video/catholic-students-protest-sudden-resignation-of-gay-vice-principal-518058577?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 20, 2013 11:37 PM GMT
    Albeit I have no wish to ever marry my man of 21+ years, and am very contented in my LTR as things stand, and do not feel that somethings missing and I need marriage to feel that allusive void. Where others are not so blessed and feel marriage will make a difference in their lives. Thus I have no issues with same sex unions, I just never want a gay wedding.

    I also understand his employers stance they they did not care that he is a homosexual, and part of his employers philosophy is not to support same sex marriage, thus they have written it into their employees contract. Thus if anyone make their relationship public by participating in a same sex marriage, they have broken their contract, and can be dismissed. Right or wrong he did sign this contract knowing this. He could of gotten another job with a non religious school.

    This is why I never made the choice to join the military.
  • ChicagoSteve

    Posts: 1272

    Dec 21, 2013 1:00 AM GMT
    We are on the verge of 2014. Why is it still legal that his employers can even set down ground rules like that and have it not be a violation of civil rights? They have no right to dictate what he does in his personal life away from school, and the classroom. Reading this kind of stuff really pisses me off.
  • tazzari

    Posts: 2926

    Dec 21, 2013 1:40 AM GMT
    http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-conference-of-catholic-bishops-change-the-roman-catholic-church-s-stance-on-gay-marriage?share_id=kkLFNoFNiY

    Over 17,000 signatures already!
  • tazzari

    Posts: 2926

    Dec 21, 2013 1:44 AM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREI also understand his employers stance they they did not care that he is a homosexual, and part of his employers philosophy is not to support same sex marriage, thus they have written it into their employees contract. Thus if anyone make their relationship public by participating in a same sex marriage, they have broken their contract, and can be dismissed. Right or wrong he did sing this contract knowing this. he could of gotten another job with a non religious school.


    That's all very well, but we did not get to where we are now - to where you even have the choice - without standing up, coming out, making society aware, and CHANGING ATTITUDES. Please join us in altering things for the better by signing the petition, above.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 1:56 AM GMT
    He can be fired because he was under contract to uphold the values of the Catholic faith.

    The Catholic church supports homosexuals like they support every other person. The problem lays in acting on ones homosexual desires. The Catholic church asks homosexuals to refrain from acting on their sexual desires as the church believes that sexual acts are only for the creation of children. They asks the same of heterosexuals. If a heterosexual is found to be living with their partner before marriage, they too are in violation of their contract and may be fire. If a homosexual man marries another homosexual man, he is in violation of his contract and does not personify the values of the Catholic faith. A Catholic school teacher is suppose to be an example for their students. Parents send their children to a Catholic school to learn the values of the Catholic faith. Homosexual marriage is outside of those values.

    Get over it and stop making this in to a witch hunt. He was wrong.
  • ChicagoSteve

    Posts: 1272

    Dec 21, 2013 2:08 AM GMT
    SoccerSwimJock saidHe can be fired because he was under contract to uphold the values of the Catholic faith.

    The Catholic church supports homosexuals like they support every other person. The problem lays in acting on ones homosexual desires. The Catholic church asks homosexuals to refrain from acting on their sexual desires as the church believes that sexual acts are only for the creation of children. They asks the same of heterosexuals. If a heterosexual is found to be living with their partner before marriage, they too are in violation of their contract and may be fire. If a homosexual man marries another homosexual man, he is in violation of his contract and does not personify the values of the Catholic faith. A Catholic school teacher is suppose to be an example for their students. Parents send their children to a Catholic school to learn the values of the Catholic faith. Homosexual marriage is outside of those values.

    Get over it and stop making this in to a witch hunt. He was wrong.


    They really don't support homosexuals, it's a token sort of support, Just deny who you really are and make no waves and there is no issue.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 2:27 AM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said
    SoccerSwimJock saidHe can be fired because he was under contract to uphold the values of the Catholic faith.

    The Catholic church supports homosexuals like they support every other person. The problem lays in acting on ones homosexual desires. The Catholic church asks homosexuals to refrain from acting on their sexual desires as the church believes that sexual acts are only for the creation of children. They asks the same of heterosexuals. If a heterosexual is found to be living with their partner before marriage, they too are in violation of their contract and may be fire. If a homosexual man marries another homosexual man, he is in violation of his contract and does not personify the values of the Catholic faith. A Catholic school teacher is suppose to be an example for their students. Parents send their children to a Catholic school to learn the values of the Catholic faith. Homosexual marriage is outside of those values.

    Get over it and stop making this in to a witch hunt. He was wrong.


    They really don't support homosexuals, it's a token sort of support, Just deny who you really are and make no waves and there is no issue.

    I guess this diocese ignores what the pope says. OTOH, the pope probably only made his recent statements for window dressing, and to improve the bad image of the church, and he didn't really mean it.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 2:31 AM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidWe are on the verge of 2014. Why is it still legal that his employers can even set down ground rules like that and have it not be a violation of civil rights? They have no right to dictate what he does in his personal life away from school, and the classroom. Reading this kind of stuff really pisses me off.


    Well, the USA is on the verge of a new century, but the catholic church seems to be still mired in the 18th century.

    The USA has always given exemptions in law to religious institution. So they don't have to pay taxes and can discriminate against anyone, because the laws basically don't apply to them. It would be a violation of a civil right for any other employer, but not a church.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 2:57 AM GMT
    Well said SoccerSwimJock. Not that what that particular denomination believes is universally 'right,' there has yet to surface in the popular press/media about other denomination/religion. News about organizations affiliated with the Roman Catholic denomination has been trending, but there are others. icon_cool.gif I've been in Catholic and Seventh Day Adventist institutions. What applies in one does not transfer completely to the other.
  • metta

    Posts: 39078

    Dec 21, 2013 4:16 AM GMT
  • Muscles25

    Posts: 394

    Dec 21, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    This is a simple matter of contract law. He signed a contract agreeing to certain things to keep his job. He violated that. They fired him. Period. End of story.

    Does anyone seriously think that an employer should not be free to enforce a contract that an employee willingly signed?
  • Muscles25

    Posts: 394

    Dec 21, 2013 4:58 AM GMT
    HikerSkier said
    ChicagoSteve saidWe are on the verge of 2014. Why is it still legal that his employers can even set down ground rules like that and have it not be a violation of civil rights? They have no right to dictate what he does in his personal life away from school, and the classroom. Reading this kind of stuff really pisses me off.


    Well, the USA is on the verge of a new century, but the catholic church seems to be still mired in the 18th century.

    The USA has always given exemptions in law to religious institution. So they don't have to pay taxes and can discriminate against anyone, because the laws basically don't apply to them. It would be a violation of a civil right for any other employer, but not a church.


    If you want separation of church and state, then that's the result.
    You can't have it both ways.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 5:32 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    Muscles25 saidThis is a simple matter of contract law. He signed a contract agreeing to certain things to keep his job. He violated that. They fired him. Period. End of story.

    Does anyone seriously think that an employer should not be free to enforce a contract that an employee willingly signed?

    Sure, if they want to keep driving people away from their church, that's entirely up to them. No one said it wasn't legal, just that it was immoral. And it is.


    the law? who the hell follows the law?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 5:35 AM GMT
    Takes me back to my catholic schoolboy rosary wearing days .... the nuns had no idea I was a hellion heretic
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 5:41 AM GMT
    CopperDevil saidTakes me back to my catholic schoolboy rosary wearing days .... the nuns had no idea I was a hellion heretic


    I memorized all 6 commandments
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 5:55 AM GMT
    Clicked on the link. Before the clip was a Hallmark ad featuring the guys from "Duck Dynasty."
    Sweet irony!
  • Muscles25

    Posts: 394

    Dec 21, 2013 2:49 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    Muscles25 saidThis is a simple matter of contract law. He signed a contract agreeing to certain things to keep his job. He violated that. They fired him. Period. End of story.

    Does anyone seriously think that an employer should not be free to enforce a contract that an employee willingly signed?

    Sure, if they want to keep driving people away from their church, that's entirely up to them. No one said it wasn't legal, just that it was immoral. And it is.


    Silly. I'm sure you're the arbiter of what is immoral for the Catholic Church. And you're still confusing issues. It's a contract. It has nothing to with anything else. Get your head out of your ass and look at the facts.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 3:11 PM GMT

    I find it interesting that an institution that promotes marriage would fire someone for legally getting married.



  • michaelctn

    Posts: 21

    Dec 21, 2013 3:14 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidWe are on the verge of 2014. Why is it still legal that his employers can even set down ground rules like that and have it not be a violation of civil rights? They have no right to dictate what he does in his personal life away from school, and the classroom. Reading this kind of stuff really pisses me off.


    You took the words out of my mouth and mind. When are people going to wake up that never, and never again would one person or group rule over another just because they are different ? - by law nobody is allowed to be racist but why allow negative judgement against people who have different sexual lifestyle to what the church considers to be "normal" and "legal". The world has changed considerably and the religious "leaders" must get their act together. Earth no longer needs to be populated, it is irresponsible. It would be like an over-inflated balloon - too much internal pressure and it bursts with only debris left behind. In South Africa many things are wrong, but out Constitution gives everybody the right to live the life he or she feels good to be as a person. Even when a contract was signed, the Constitution would prove it to be unconstitutional and thus void.
    If your employer does not like you anyway, be glad to go elsewhere to be happy amongst friends. You do not need to be unhappy because of somebody else.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 21, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
    SoccerSwimJock saidHe can be fired because he was under contract to uphold the values of the Catholic faith.

    The Catholic church supports homosexuals like they support every other person. The problem lays in acting on ones homosexual desires. The Catholic church asks homosexuals to refrain from acting on their sexual desires as the church believes that sexual acts are only for the creation of children. They asks the same of heterosexuals. If a heterosexual is found to be living with their partner before marriage, they too are in violation of their contract and may be fire. If a homosexual man marries another homosexual man, he is in violation of his contract and does not personify the values of the Catholic faith. A Catholic school teacher is suppose to be an example for their students. Parents send their children to a Catholic school to learn the values of the Catholic faith. Homosexual marriage is outside of those values.

    Get over it and stop making this in to a witch hunt. He was wrong.


    So the Mormon Church can allow Polygamy?
    It's still illegal. https://www.au.org/blogs/wall-of-separation/polygamy-in-utah-it-s-still-illegal

    The Catholic Church is doing harm to Gay couples in a LEGAL MARRIAGE, Much like how Mormons used to allow ILLEGAL Polygamy, some in the Catholic Church are allowing and endorsing discrimination, oppression, fear and vengeful retaliation.

    "Secondly, all too often, "polygamy" (insert "not allowing Gay Marriage") is not religious freedom, but rather, religious enslavement, ..... These victims of fundamentalism, particularly in the more oppressive groups on the fundamentalist continuum, are not free. They do not have choices. ...... or even display any disagreement with the authorities, without facing serious repercussions. Fear of reprisal from leaders or fear of displeasing God (portrayed as a demanding, spiteful ogre), is what keeps most people "towing the line.""

    http://www.shieldandrefuge.org/faq_nonfund.htm


    "Parents send their children to Catholic schools for a myriad of reasons. Not all students are Catholic, just as many teachers who teach in these schools are not Catholic. What is morally reprehensible is not the employ of LGBT personnel, but rather the swift invalidation of fifteen-plus years of service at the whim of public labeling."

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/25/catholic-schools-fires-gay-teachers

    Can the Catholic Church legally do this? Yes. Should they? NO.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 22, 2013 12:41 AM GMT
    jonahelisio said
    Muscles25 saidThis is a simple matter of contract law. He signed a contract agreeing to certain things to keep his job. He violated that. They fired him. Period. End of story.

    Does anyone seriously think that an employer should not be free to enforce a contract that an employee willingly signed?
    Yes, me, right here. I seriously believe that an employer is NOT free to enforce shit smeared on paper. So many concepts take precedent.


    Maybe you might want to run out to your closest used book store and pick up a copy of Black's Law Dictionary and take a look at elements of a contract, then get back to us.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 22, 2013 12:43 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    I find it interesting that an institution that promotes marriage would fire someone for legally getting married.





    boys one is sure that together you are smart enough to know that most religions feel they answer to a higher law, than the law of the land. Thus their definition of marriage is between a man and a women, and not Adam Steve.

    Thus just because a government passes a law on marriage does not mean they deem it legal in the eyes of God. It's really that simple.

    But he did sign a contract willingly, thus agreeing to it; right or wrong. Now the issue is that he breached it.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 22, 2013 12:44 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    jonahelisio said
    Muscles25 saidThis is a simple matter of contract law. He signed a contract agreeing to certain things to keep his job. He violated that. They fired him. Period. End of story.

    Does anyone seriously think that an employer should not be free to enforce a contract that an employee willingly signed?
    Yes, me, right here. I seriously believe that an employer is NOT free to enforce shit smeared on paper. So many concepts take precedent.


    Maybe you might want to run out to your closest used book store and pick up a copy of Black's Law Dictionary and take a look at elements of a contract, then get back to us.

    icon_idea.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 22, 2013 12:48 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    freedomisntfree saidMaybe you might want to run out to your closest used book store and pick up a copy of Black's Law Dictionary and take a look at elements of a contract, then get back to us.

    There is a principle in law that certain rights cannot be signed away, and that even if you do sign a contract with those stipulations, those portions of the contract are deemed unenforceable and void. One example: non-compete contracts with unreasonable terms, which courts have generally held to be in excess of two years or a certain distance from the original location. You can sign such a thing but good luck to them trying to sue you for breaking it. That's only one example.


    That's part of it.