Gay men of color in media

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    Dec 23, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
    (This is not meant to offend anyone or cause a controversy, but merely meant to enlighten/ bring to light an issue for Gay men of color.)

    So I am just going to go ahead and throw this out there... although this is nothing new to people of color I still continue to wonder why there is such a lack of representation of gay men of color. Many gay magazines, movies, television shows, other media outlets lack people like us in the realistic representation of people of color.

    The models used in gay magazines are almost always Eurocentric. Seriously go and grab any gay magazine and see how many people of color show up...

    Gay movies always seem to lack men of color. Those that do tend to gravitate to just having those men of color. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground of a mix.

    Queer as Folk, as groundbreaking as it was for its time had almost no gays of color. The same goes for Will & Grace. (I love those shows by the way). The closest thing I have seen so far in terms of television has been Noah's Arc & DTLA the series.

    I can only imagine what it is like for Asian/Middle Eastern men... I barely see them represented at all. I know race and ethnicity is a touchy subject for some, but as we are going toward more liberal and progressive times I would think that within the LGBTQIA there would be more color representation. In my opinion we are still put in the minority box when we are really on the way to becoming the majority


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    Dec 24, 2013 1:33 AM GMT
    I've seen black guys in gay movies but, from the movies I've seen, they are not the sexy ones.
    Here's "Just Another Romantic Wrestling Comedy" with a hot hot HOT Asian who I'd die for.
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    JohnSpotter saidI've seen black guys in gay movies but, from the movies I've seen, they are not the sexy ones.
    Here's "Just Another Romantic Wrestling Comedy" with a hot hot HOT Asian who I'd die for.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsMT9jXcgI&feature=youtube_gdata_player




    I seriously just had a "WTF" moment watching that icon_eek.gif
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    itsfallinganditcantgetup saidtell it, man. that's one reason why i really don't care to pay attention to gay media especially the news sites. it's like us gay nonwhites don't exist. to me, i think they as in the gay media which is controlled by whites is intentionally under representing us nonwhites. they are purposely excluding us which basically makes us look and feel like we have NO place in the LGBTQ community which to me is disturbing. bad enough, the attitude is actually quite prevalent already outside of the gay media.

    hate to say it BUT LGBTQ community is basically geared towards whites as it has been constructed that way where folks basically were able to build a culture and community within their main community where although they were outcasted, they never LEFT it. so they were able to create a safety net within their own communities so they can combat the homophobia that the community that they're apart of throws at them. basically the LGBTQ community power structure lies within the white community. plus, the majority of the population in america and other first world countries that where the LGBTQ community power structure lies is white. of course, the nonwhites are going to be the minority. to top it off, the minority communities do NOT have a strong lgbt community power structure compared to the majority one to combat the homophobia within our own communities and society in general. so we're pretty much outcasted with nowhere to go because our lgbtq support systems within our communities are weak so we rely on the larger LGBTQ community to represent us or to provide of a safety net and IT FAILS US. so we basically are refugees, sad to say.

    bad enough, this attitude is reflected in other avenues as including pornography where it seems like all the nonwhites porn stars are ushered into a box, separated from the white porn stars such as nextdoorstudios. notice how they have a "next door studios ebony" for the black porn entertainers and basically have the regular "next door studios" which contains the white entertainers. they are basically practicing segregation in the porno studios. hell even the black porn studios are demeaning where they basically have the porn stars acting like thugs, wearing doorags and having degrading, demeaning names such as "thugzilla", all fetishizing them and shit. it's like an insult. there's basically NO asian gay porn stars in the big name studios either. NONE! when there are nonwhites in the big porn name studios, they are basically fetishized on some exotic shit.

    hell, you know shit is fucked up if they'll put straight white guys on the magazine cover because so and so is cute or a gay pride ally, talk about them and etc BEFORE they give a gay black guy, gay asian guy some spotlight time. when is the LAST time they put a black guy or an asian guy on DNA magazine? how about the advocate giving LEE DANIELS the cover for his movie the butler? it's as if we don't exist and WE DO.


    You brought up some very interesting and truthful points. It feels so awkward to continue to perpetuate that we are separate and not equal.

    I would love to see more representation of ethnic communities on the cover of magazines. I don't think I have EVER seen an Asian gay man grace a cover of any gay magazine.

    You are 100% right on the porn aspect. Non-whites tend to get put into specialized categories. Most of the time when I see black porn they are thugs and it's a shame. I am not attracted to thug types, but majority of the time if I want to see someone who is closely represented to my own ethnic background that is where I would have to go.

    There is a shaming aspect to not being represented. Like we are invisible and out of site in the LGBTQIA community. Other gay men of color have no way of getting that many role models to follow because we aren't shown nearly as much as our Eurocentric counterparts.

    I truly hope this changes in my lifetime.
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    Dec 24, 2013 6:54 AM GMT
    The "problem" is that gay men of color are not in control of the media. It's majority white. Therefore the content they put out is usually something they identify with.

    So maybe gay men of color should aspire to work behind the scenes instead of only trying to be in the spotlight. Attack the issue from all sides. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 24, 2013 11:13 AM GMT
    xrichx saidThe "problem" is that gay men of color are not in control of the media. It's majority white. Therefore the content they put out is usually something they identify with.

    So maybe gay men of color should aspire to work behind the scenes instead of only trying to be in the spotlight. Attack the issue from all sides. icon_biggrin.gif


    We need a gay Oprah icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 24, 2013 11:19 AM GMT
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    itsfallinganditcantgetup saidtell it, man. that's one reason why i really don't care to pay attention to gay media especially the news sites. it's like us gay nonwhites don't exist. to me, i think they as in the gay media which is controlled by whites is intentionally under representing us nonwhites. they are purposely excluding us which basically makes us look and feel like we have NO place in the LGBTQ community which to me is disturbing. bad enough, the attitude is actually quite prevalent already outside of the gay media.

    hate to say it BUT LGBTQ community is basically geared towards whites as it has been constructed that way where folks basically were able to build a culture and community within their main community where although they were outcasted, they never LEFT it. so they were able to create a safety net within their own communities so they can combat the homophobia that the community that they're apart of throws at them. basically the LGBTQ community power structure lies within the white community. plus, the majority of the population in america and other first world countries that where the LGBTQ community power structure lies is white. of course, the nonwhites are going to be the minority. to top it off, the minority communities do NOT have a strong lgbt community power structure compared to the majority one to combat the homophobia within our own communities and society in general. so we're pretty much outcasted with nowhere to go because our lgbtq support systems within our communities are weak so we rely on the larger LGBTQ community to represent us or to provide of a safety net and IT FAILS US. so we basically are refugees, sad to say.

    bad enough, this attitude is reflected in other avenues as including pornography where it seems like all the nonwhites porn stars are ushered into a box, separated from the white porn stars such as nextdoorstudios. notice how they have a "next door studios ebony" for the black porn entertainers and basically have the regular "next door studios" which contains the white entertainers. they are basically practicing segregation in the porno studios. hell even the black porn studios are demeaning where they basically have the porn stars acting like thugs, wearing doorags and having degrading, demeaning names such as "thugzilla", all fetishizing them and shit. it's like an insult. there's basically NO asian gay porn stars in the
    big name studios either. NONE! when there are nonwhites in the big porn name studios, they are basically fetishized on some exotic shit.

    hell, you know shit is fucked up if they'll put straight white guys on the magazine cover because so and so is cute or a gay pride ally, talk about them and etc BEFORE they give a gay black guy, gay asian guy some spotlight time. when is the LAST time they put a black guy or an asian guy on DNA magazine? how about the advocate giving LEE DANIELS the
    cover for his movie the butler? it's as if we don't exist and WE DO.


    You brought up some very interesting and truthful points. It feels so awkward to continue to perpetuate that we are separate and not equal.

    I would love to see more representation of ethnic communities on the cover of magazines. I don't think I have EVER seen an Asian gay man grace a cover of any gay magazine.

    You are 100% right on the porn aspect. Non-whites tend to get put into specialized categories. Most of the time when I see black porn they are thugs and it's a shame. I am not attracted to thug types, but majority of the
    time if I want to see someone who is closely represented to my own ethnic background that is where I would have to go.

    There is a shaming aspect to not being represented. Like we are invisible and out of site in the LGBTQIA community. Other gay men of color have no way of getting that many role models to follow because we aren't shown nearly as much as our Eurocentric counterparts.

    I truly hope this changes in my lifetime.


    The representation of LGBT by LGBT media is far from "diverse". It's a Eurocentric mindset.
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    Dec 24, 2013 3:55 PM GMT
    jrad said
    JohnSpotter saidI've seen black guys in gay movies but, from the movies I've seen, they are not the sexy ones.
    Here's "Just Another Romantic Wrestling Comedy" with a hot hot HOT Asian who I'd die for.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsMT9jXcgI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    I seriously just had a "WTF" moment watching that icon_eek.gif

    So did I.
    I didn't have time to watch the promo before I posted it and it wasn't a good one. I changed it to another slightly better one but it still doesn't reflect what I was indicating in my post. Oh, well.
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    JohnSpotter said
    jrad said
    JohnSpotter saidI've seen black guys in gay movies but, from the movies I've seen, they are not the sexy ones.
    Here's "Just Another Romantic Wrestling Comedy" with a hot hot HOT Asian who I'd die for.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsMT9jXcgI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    I seriously just had a "WTF" moment watching that icon_eek.gif

    So did I.
    I didn't have time to watch the promo before I posted it and it wasn't a good one. I changed it to another slightly better one but it still doesn't reflect what I was indicating in my post. Oh, well.


    His name is Ken Yasuda, I'd RAISE HELL over a man like that.



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    Dec 24, 2013 4:33 PM GMT
    ^Yeah - when I saw him in the movie I immediately had the G'AH reaction.
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    xrichx saidThe "problem" is that gay men of color are not in control of the media. It's majority white. Therefore the content they put out is usually something they identify with.

    So maybe gay men of color should aspire to work behind the scenes instead of only trying to be in the spotlight. Attack the issue from all sides. icon_biggrin.gif


    We need a gay Oprah icon_smile.gif


    but I thought you were the gay Oprah
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    Media represents a stereotype of an audience. That stereotype is wrong often enough that we see more failure than success in film and publishing.
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    Dec 24, 2013 5:53 PM GMT
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    Media represents a stereotype of an audience. That stereotype is wrong often enough that we see more failure than success in film and publishing.

    This. It's true enough with gay characters as well. As much as I love fem guys, they are depicted on TV as disaffected by misogyny, to the point of seeming unaware and unconcerned of how they are perceived, which makes it seem phony. Irl, fem guys struggle to navigate their place in the larger community outside the relative safety of the gay bubble. On TV they seem like caricatures who are more swishy than women and blind to all things masculine. Irl gay men can get as sassy and flaming as you please, but they don't walk around acting like fish out of water. They aren't trying to be comedians or activists or play marginalized roles in support of more important people's lives every time they go to the store. They are still part of society and not aliens from Planet Bottomland.icon_evil.gif
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    Dec 24, 2013 6:01 PM GMT
    itsfallinganditcantgetup saidtell it, man. that's one reason why i really don't care to pay attention to gay media especially the news sites. it's like us gay nonwhites don't exist. to me, i think they as in the gay media which is controlled by whites is intentionally under representing us nonwhites. they are purposely excluding us which basically makes us look and feel like we have NO place in the LGBTQ community which to me is disturbing. bad enough, the attitude is actually quite prevalent already outside of the gay media.

    hate to say it BUT LGBTQ community is basically geared towards whites as it has been constructed that way where folks basically were able to build a culture and community within their main community where although they were outcasted, they never LEFT it. so they were able to create a safety net within their own communities so they can combat the homophobia that the community that they're apart of throws at them. basically the LGBTQ community power structure lies within the white community. plus, the majority of the population in america and other first world countries that where the LGBTQ community power structure lies is white. of course, the nonwhites are going to be the minority. to top it off, the minority communities do NOT have a strong lgbt community power structure compared to the majority one to combat the homophobia within our own communities and society in general. so we're pretty much outcasted with nowhere to go because our lgbtq support systems within our communities are weak so we rely on the larger LGBTQ community to represent us or to provide of a safety net and IT FAILS US. so we basically are refugees, sad to say.

    bad enough, this attitude is reflected in other avenues as including pornography where it seems like all the nonwhites porn stars are ushered into a box, separated from the white porn stars such as nextdoorstudios. notice how they have a "next door studios ebony" for the black porn entertainers and basically have the regular "next door studios" which contains the white entertainers. they are basically practicing segregation in the porno studios. hell even the black porn studios are demeaning where they basically have the porn stars acting like thugs, wearing doorags and having degrading, demeaning names such as "thugzilla", all fetishizing them and shit. it's like an insult. there's basically NO asian gay porn stars in the big name studios either. NONE! when there are nonwhites in the big porn name studios, they are basically fetishized on some exotic shit.

    hell, you know shit is fucked up if they'll put straight white guys on the magazine cover because so and so is cute or a gay pride ally, talk about them and etc BEFORE they give a gay black guy, gay asian guy some spotlight time. when is the LAST time they put a black guy or an asian guy on DNA magazine? how about the advocate giving LEE DANIELS the cover for his movie the butler? it's as if we don't exist and WE DO.

    The gay community has to include all gay people or it is a failed movement. The gay media seems more prejudiced than the mainstream media in terms of representing men of color, and that's shameful... There are many books and novels and articles focusing on gay men of color, but they are seen as more on the fringes of the movement, and the visible representation seems almost nil.icon_sad.gif
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    Dec 24, 2013 6:09 PM GMT
    FitStriver said

    Media represents a stereotype of an audience. That stereotype is wrong often enough that we see more failure than success in film and publishing.


    Many people believe the majority of gays are like what they see in "pride" parades:

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    Dec 24, 2013 6:13 PM GMT
    We live in a diverse society. I don't think anyone should accept limiting the gay community to being a small structure within the framework of a white community. Maybe that would be ok in a country of all white people, but we don't live in a country like that---and thank God, too, because that would be dull and dreary.
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    Jan 01, 2014 7:50 PM GMT
    the western media is full of black men with very dark skin, bald heads, thick lips and wide noses.

    male supermodel tyson beckford: dark skin + wide nose + bald head + monolids + thick lips. that's about as ethnic as it gets
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    xrichx saidThe "problem" is that gay men of color are not in control of the media. It's majority white. Therefore the content they put out is usually something they identify with.

    So maybe gay men of color should aspire to work behind the scenes instead of only trying to be in the spotlight. Attack the issue from all sides. icon_biggrin.gif


    We need a gay Oprah icon_smile.gif


    I LOVE OPRAH! My friends tell me that validates the fact I'm gay.
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    Jan 01, 2014 9:03 PM GMT
    Part of the reason is that being gay is still very highly stigmatized among people of color, especially blacks. It's getting better, but you still will not see many black men being up front about being gay and actually being a part of the gay community.
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    Jan 01, 2014 9:35 PM GMT
    blkapollo saidPart of the reason is that being gay is still very highly stigmatized among people of color, especially blacks. It's getting better, but you still will not see many black men being up front about being gay and actually being a part of the gay community.

    I hope that changes. But I still think it's deplorable that the media has promoted whiteness in the LGBT community. I live in Minnesota which voted for gay marriage rights this year. Last night, at a new years party, someone mentioned how all of the TV ads and campaigning showed only white gay couples, and someone I know said she was discriminated against when she tried to volunteer for the campaign because she's not white. Someone else said it's done that way to make being gay mainstream to straight people (straight white people, apparently???) and I think if that's true then it's a shame. From Giovanni's Room to Paris is Burning, the best of gay culture, the stuff I'm nostalgic about from being gay before gay was accepted, come from black gay men. The gay community loses a lot of credibility and value if it's not including all gay people.
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    Jan 02, 2014 2:50 AM GMT
    ^^^^

    blkapollo saidPart of the reason is that being gay is still very highly stigmatized among people of color, especially blacks. It's getting better, but you still will not see many black men being up front about being gay and actually being a part of the gay community.


    That's the problem with a lot of Asian guys I've gone on dates with and have talked to. They only see being gay as a small aspect and don't want to stir emotions in the family, but I can't be with someone if I'm their secret. The minute I knew I was going to date my first bf I came out. I knew I wanted him to be a part of my life entirely.

    One of my close friends broke up with his bf, because he wouldn't tell his parents, who would've been cool about it, that he was gay. His bf was black. I know another couple that broke up as well because of this and they were both white -- so it's no just am ethnic thing by any means.

    A lot of times they ask for people that look ethnically ambiguous for commercials. Actually, most of the ads for this gay STD awareness group will use very white A&F looking models -- this group is supposed to help Latin and men of color learn about STDs. Of course they don't limit who can attend meetings and events. I just always find it ironic how they always use models with western characteristics and their FB page always comments on Caucasian male celebrities.
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    blkapollo saidPart of the reason is that being gay is still very highly stigmatized among people of color, especially blacks. It's getting better, but you still will not see many black men being up front about being gay and actually being a part of the gay community.


    That's the problem with a lot of Asian guys I've gone on dates with and have talked to. They only see being gay as a small aspect and don't want to stir emotions in the family, but I can't be with someone if I'm their secret. The minute I knew I was going to date my first bf I came out. I knew I wanted him to be a part of my life entirely.

    One of my close friends broke up with his bf, because he wouldn't tell his parents, who would've been cool about it, that he was gay. His bf was black. I know another couple that broke up as well because of this and they were both white -- so it's no just am ethnic thing by any means.

    A lot of times they ask for people that look ethnically ambiguous for commercials. Actually, most of the ads for this gay STD awareness group will use very white A&F looking models -- this group is supposed to help Latin and men of color learn about STDs. Of course they don't limit who can attend meetings and events. I just always find it ironic how they always use models with western characteristics and their FB page always comments on Caucasian male celebrities.


    In the entertainment industry , when I submit for projects MAJORITY of the time they are looking for Ethically ambiguous /Caucasians for male parts. Or you will see ONE ethnic role and the rest of them must be Caucasian. It is a bit discouraging to see that day after day. Gay men of color really have a low pool of people to look up to in the media in comparison to their Eurocentric counterparts. Don't even get me started on ethnic men and ethnic hair (like myself) , as this sometimes is seen as a hindrance because white people want our hair in a cookie cutter fashion (cut low and edged)

    Gay men tend to have a larger percentage of interracial/ cross cultural dating than heterosexuals. I believe this is probably related to us making up about 3% of the US population.
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    Jan 03, 2014 12:56 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    FitStriver said

    Media represents a stereotype of an audience. That stereotype is wrong often enough that we see more failure than success in film and publishing.

    This. It's true enough with gay characters as well. As much as I love fem guys, they are depicted on TV as disaffected by misogyny, to the point of seeming unaware and unconcerned of how they are perceived, which makes it seem phony. Irl, fem guys struggle to navigate their place in the larger community outside the relative safety of the gay bubble. On TV they seem like caricatures who are more swishy than women and blind to all things masculine. Irl gay men can get as sassy and flaming as you please, but they don't walk around acting like fish out of water. They aren't trying to be comedians or activists or play marginalized roles in support of more important people's lives every time they go to the store. They are still part of society and not aliens from Planet Bottomland.icon_evil.gif


    Wow, post of the fucking New Year!

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    Jan 05, 2014 11:05 PM GMT
    I just saw "Love Come Down."
    The movie caught my eye because the two brothers were so hot. I must have missed something though. Why was one brother white and one brother black?
    brothers.jpg
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    JohnSpotter saidI just saw "Love Come Down."
    The movie caught my eye because the two brothers were so hot. I must have missed something though. Why was one brother white and one brother black?
    brothers.jpg


    An aspiring comic, Neville (Larenz Tate) is burdened by drug abuse and memories of childhood traumas. He and his older half brother Matthew (Martin Cummins), a boxer, are unable to escape from the painful repercussions of their past, which includes their mother serving a prison sentence for killing Neville's father. Things seem to look up for Neville when he becomes involved with a gifted singer (real-life R&B chanteuse Deborah Cox), but still he must struggle to surmount a family legacy that has resulted in so much anger and emotional ruin. Screened at the 2000 Vancouver International Film Festival, Love Come Down features renowned Canadian actress Sarah Polley in a role as an unconventional nun. ~ Rebecca Flint Marx, Rovi