Dec 10, 2008 11:18 PM GMT
i changed my mind.
n/a
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Dec 10, 2008 11:43 PM GMThmmmm...
zdrew, nearly 30 minutes later and no responses and only 21 views... not a good omen... -
Dec 10, 2008 11:47 PM GMTThere's nothin wrong with a little abject cuntiness now and then, so long as it's acknowledged and apologies are made when deserved. RJ doesn't need to be the land of butterflies, rainbows, and unicorns, after all...we all just needs the occasional brush-up on civility.
I've complained bitterly of the shifted dynamic on the site, and then I wandered away because I didn't like what it had become. And that's part of the problem...if we don't like the threads we see, rather than harp about it, lets start good ones. DJ, I think there's still some tricks the vets can show the kids...
Now, as for the role call. Obscene_Wish...jprichva...sickothesame...dhinkansas...ShawnTX...HnsmKansan...aero...Caslon (minus the cats)...ursamajor...iguanaSF...Colm_Dublin...TigerTim...bfg1...Sedative...(my dearest) StripperRocco...and everybody else who occasionally lurks around here...get your asses out here. Come play with me and dancerjack. NAOW!
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Dec 10, 2008 11:48 PM GMTdancerjack saidhmmmm...
zdrew, nearly 30 minutes later and no responses and only 21 views... not a good omen...
If you'd put 'abject cunt' in the thread title, I'm sure you'd have heaps of views. And to be fair, about a dozen of those views were mine. I was having a mental block. -
Dec 10, 2008 11:53 PM GMTlol now, now - that's the harping we're letting go of (bad habits die hard)... i've sent out some "help" emails... the goodness will come - people have to get home from work.
i'm going to the gym. i'll check on this in a while. (thanks for playing, zdrew. honestly, i feel better already - not bunnies and rainbows happy, but much better than what i was feeling before) -
Dec 10, 2008 11:54 PM GMTawwwwww dancerjack wtf, there has to be a bitch in every relationship, you make a great one.
come dance with me, i hope you dont mind the hotdog in my right hand. -
Dec 10, 2008 11:55 PM GMThotdog? let's be honest here: bratwurst
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Dec 10, 2008 11:59 PM GMTI was one of those views, but I'm not ready to post here yet. -
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM GMTtake your time. i don't blame you. -
Dec 11, 2008 12:14 AM GMTdancerjack saidwhat are YOU going to do to make rj the place it ought to be?
Swear off Hostess Ho Hos.
Well, first, when you post a new Forum topic, even though it appears in the Forum itself, it may take six hours or so before it makes it to the top of the RJ website. So, the fact that not many views have occurred might be due to that.
Second, I don't think you owe anyone an "act of contrition." I agree that we should all be civil to one another, but being civil doesn't necessarily mean not disagreeing vehemently.
I found it curious in another Forum thread that someone who was being disagreed with with terms like "...that's not logical..." felt that he was personally attacked and responded with "fuck you." The latter is inapprorpriate on a Forum, the former is appropriate.
As to us old timers....I have drifted in and out of RJ due to schedule and busy-ness. When I come in and see a bunch of Forum topics like "rate me 1 to 10" or "...critique the guy above you...", I just take off. I agree that there have been more of these vapid type posts lately.
Or, am I missing the point of your post? I sometimes miss the point....
And,now, off to the gym....
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Dec 11, 2008 12:21 AM GMTDancer, I'm gonna tell you what I usually say when it comes to internet behavior and etiquette:
The internet is NOT the real world.
It's ruled by a different set of rules since it is a totally different environment for the exchange of ideas and the way these ideas are... well, exchanged
I don't think I've ever been emotional or called anyone names in the forums... and I've been contributing to them since I joined more than a year and a half ago.
My advice is: Discuss ideas, not people. The guys here want to know what you think, not what you think about the guy you're pissed off at.
When someone says something you disagree with, take a moment to relax, gather your thoughts, organize them, and then word them out in your reply.
I usually make fun of flame wars because people look so stupid and immature in them... All those petty rivalries and drama.
That's not "real".... and hardly "jock" behavior.
So just remember that forums are not conversations between two individuals, but a board in which everyone can see what you've written, and judge your personality from what they see YOU say, not from what they see others say to you.
And to finish the patronizing, let me just say:
Does it really matter how many people see this thread, or reply to it?
I have the feeling that deep inside, you didn't write your first post for any of us, but as a commitment to yourself.
p.s. I don't think you're an abject cunt. I really like your posts and opinions, and the personality that shines through them. I hope this doesn't mean we're going to hear your ideas less frequently, cuz then we're gonna have a flamewar, sir.
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Dec 11, 2008 12:23 AM GMTWell, I'm not really certain what to say in the specific regards of making DancerJack a better man. I think you are well spoken and that you say what's on your heart with apologizing. That's a great thing.
I really like coming to these forums and seeing the ways that we publicly reveal ourselves and search for a sense of connection with others. I might be in a minority here, but I see all acts of reaching out to others as having a ground in love. If I respond to all of the posts with the seriousness and gravity that is called for, for each forum does matter on some level, then I'd be here forever. So I pick and choose which I think I am best suited to respond to or most intrigued by. I will admit, sometimes I like sounding witty, which really doesn't make things more productive here in the forums. I've room to improve as well.
To truly improve things, I guess I will hold people more accountable for their dismissiveness of other members. Not certain how well I will do, but I'll give it a shot. Additionally, I don't know what it was like before I got here, but I'll do what I can to step up.
[rolling up sleeves]
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Dec 11, 2008 1:14 AM GMTI don't need to be contrite. I'm as innocent as an angel riding on a pure white unicorn gallivanting across a field of wildflowers being chased by butterflies and framed by a breathtaking rainbow in the land of flowing sunshine and cookies...
I'm not, am I?
I posted an advice here once: "If you have nothing good to post, don't post it. If you plan on flaming someone, write the post then delete it"...
I need to take my own advice sometimes, but other than that. I'm not yet evil am I?Ikaros said
My advice is: Discuss ideas, not people. The guys here want to know what you think, not what you think about the guy you're pissed off at.
Andres says it exactly. I try to do this too. For example after a nasty flamewar, I don't aggravate it further by following that person across threads and subjecting him to personal attacks (unless he is a douche in all of them, in which case I'm justified). Disagreements in threads don't haunt me that much, though yeah, I get a bit wary of them and just try avoiding addressing them directly.
There are some people though who I think really deserve to be castrated and forced to watch lesbian porn... but in all my time here, it's only one regular who I can apply that too without second thoughts... and he starts the most vapid threads ever asides from being a two-faced evil *cough* gorilla.
And agree with fastprof, being civil always makes for a boring forum. There'll always be disagreements. 'Sides Flame wars are fun fun fun! It's what happens afterwards that count. Some people here continue to treat former flame war enemies as personal enemies. Going on a vendetta in pretty much every thread. And that get's tiresome after a while.
That said... I do wish there were more interesting topics like before. We always used to have such exciting flamewars...brady527To truly improve things, I guess I will hold people more accountable for their dismissiveness of other members.
Hmm... now I wonder if I've ever been guilty of elitism. Not likely, since I'll pretty much talk to anyone who responds... But still... If I have, someone smack me upside. There are some elitist members here (who I don't like) and I don't wanna be someone like them.
I may have 5000+ posts, but I'm still the geeky, thin-ass (well... not so thin anymore), closeted, megalomaniacal gayling I was when I first joined.
P.S. GG, what the heck's a Pingas?! Oh shit... I'm behind my internet meme's... *studies geekology harder*
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Dec 11, 2008 1:18 AM GMTdancerjack said
i nakedly admit that i miss the old dynamic of this site.
DancerJack; naked, mmmm. Sorry, what were we talking about. What was the question again?
I agree that some of the forums are not as much fun as they once were. We still get some fun ones though. And it is up to us to make them fun without attacking someone in a personal manner.
Remember when forums were about ShawnTX or Zdrool's nipples and butterflies. Let's do one like that again.
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Dec 11, 2008 1:43 AM GMTCome to think of it...I haven't seen any butterflies around here in ages. Can you do anything about that, Sed?
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Dec 11, 2008 2:03 AM GMTOh look... flutterby!
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Dec 11, 2008 2:05 AM GMTOh look! Another one!
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Dec 11, 2008 2:42 AM GMThow's this for fabulosity and butterflies in one stroke... i wonder if that could be a new line of porn? hi, yes, i'm a model for fabulous butterfly one stroke, inc.
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Dec 11, 2008 3:15 AM GMTToo many butterflies...
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Dec 11, 2008 3:44 AM GMTdancerjack saidi will concede very quickly that i've become an abject cunt lately. i don't care about debating whether or not the reasons behind it are justified/good/logical. what i want to do is a public act of contrition.
i nakedly admit that i miss the old dynamic of this site.
this is my attempt to bring some of it back - you long timers will know what i mean (if you're even paying attention any more). as i've said repeatedly over the last 1.5-2 years, "i don't like absolute terms." i don't want to say i never say "i promise," but it's so rare as to seem that way...
so...
I PROMISE THAT I WILL SPEAK WITH RESPECT OR NOT AT ALL IN THE PUBLIC FORUMS, EVEN WHEN THE PERSON I'M ADDRESSING DOESN'T WARRANT SUCH TREATMENT, GIVEN THEIR OWN ACTIONS.
there.
if i fail in this, any- and everyone can call me out on it publically.
what are YOU going to do to make rj the place it ought to be?
... maybe you should check the chemical content of your breakfast cereal ...
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Dec 11, 2008 3:48 AM GMTzdrew said...Caslon (minus the cats)...
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Dec 11, 2008 3:51 AM GMTzdrew said...Caslon (minus the cats)...
You can't hate a man for liking a little pussy. -
Dec 11, 2008 4:22 AM GMTall is right in the universe, now that caslon has given me an eyeroll and an lol cat. thanks babe! -
Dec 11, 2008 5:51 AM GMTI just had a great dinner with a friend where we were discussing how much we push ourselves to be authentic and genuine in all our encounters. It becomes almost internally competitive to be more "honest" and "more real" with each new social encounter. Tonight we both reminded each other to be more understanding of our desire to be good and that we are fine just as we are. DancerJack, I can sense some of the desire to get RJ where it used to be, and know that I support you regardless of you pushing to make it like it was or not.
Just wanted to add that as well, considering that I don't have any good butterfly photos.
