Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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    Dec 24, 2013 11:26 AM GMT
    Gay, Computer pioneer and codebreaker Alan Turing has been given a royal pardon by the Queen.

    Turing's work helped accelerate Allied efforts to read German Naval messages enciphered with the Enigma machine. He also contributed some more fundamental work on codebreaking that was only released to public scrutiny in April 2012.

    It's a stain on this country's record that a man, who many feel made the biggest single contribution to defeating Nazi Germany than any other person in WW2, was so badly treated by his own country.

    It also sends out a message to the rest of the world, Uganda, India, Russia, who are happy to carry on treating homosexuals as criminals, that we were like that 50 years ago, and it was wrong then!
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    Dec 24, 2013 5:27 PM GMT
    Good points, all. I hadn't thought about the "message" part and you're absolutely right. Advanced societies should make it obvious we find these backward viewpoints as uncivilized and cruel. Even if we have some backward people in our own countries.
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    Dec 24, 2013 5:37 PM GMT
    too bad that worthless old hag didn't do this 10 years ago; she does it when it's politically safe and non-controversial, typical spineless "royal"

    but it is good he's been "de-vilified"
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    Dec 24, 2013 5:52 PM GMT
    One of my friends pointed out, isn't it wrong that he is being 'pardoned' since he didn't do anything wrong? What is there to pardon?

    And another said that it might have been better to have left it as it stood so that we can look back at what had happened without any nice shean stuck on it and the history books will shown us how far we have come in terms of LGBT rights.

    Also I don't think it shows anyone in another country anything. It's not like the UK isn't known as being more tolerant towards LGBT people, it's a message that's already been said multiple times before. The guy above is right it's already politically safe and I don't feel like it means much now.

    ...the pardon thing (rather than apologizing) still grates me a little.
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    Dec 24, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
    He did commit an offence at the time though, homosexuality wasn't decriminalised until the 1960s (1980 in Scotland). It doesn't seem to make any sense to pardon him. An apology makes much more sense, but this should also be extended to thousands of less illustrious gay people around at the time.
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    Dec 24, 2013 8:24 PM GMT
    Ohno saidHe did commit an offence at the time though, homosexuality wasn't decriminalised until the 1960s (1980 in Scotland). It doesn't seem to make any sense to pardon him. An apology makes much more sense, but this should also be extended to thousands of less illustrious gay people around at the time.


    I say they should apologize and issue pardons for everyone who was convicted for committing homosexual acts.
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    Dec 25, 2013 2:53 AM GMT
    It probably occurred to her, decades after the fact, that had this man not been an active participant in the Y Service, it's highly likely that her family and sovereignty would have been kaput long ago, or at the very least, not as influential as they seem to think they are today.
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    Dec 25, 2013 4:13 AM GMT
    Does the queen do any stuff like this of her own volition or is it at the suggestion of the PM, the house of lords, etc.?
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    Dec 25, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    somersault saidtoo bad that worthless old hag didn't do this 10 years ago; she does it when it's politically save and non-controversial, typical spineless "royal"

    but it is good he's been "de-vilified"


    Long live the Queen, and a life long commitment, she has dedicated to duties. Aussie would never of become the great southern land we did if it was not for the political and legal system we have today.

    We have seen way to many republics like Russia fail.
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    Dec 25, 2013 5:00 AM GMT
    no_direction saidOne of my friends pointed out, isn't it wrong that he is being 'pardoned' since he didn't do anything wrong? What is there to pardon?

    And another said that it might have been better to have left it as it stood so that we can look back at what had happened without any nice shean stuck on it and the history books will shown us how far we have come in terms of LGBT rights.

    Also I don't think it shows anyone in another country anything. It's not like the UK isn't known as being more tolerant towards LGBT people, it's a message that's already been said multiple times before. The guy above is right it's already politically safe and I don't feel like it means much now.

    ...the pardon thing (rather than apologizing) still grates me a little.


    But how can HM Queen Elizabeth II, say sorry for something she did not do?
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    Dec 25, 2013 5:01 AM GMT
    I as a Bona Fide Homosexual would rather call Democratic Australia home any day before I would give up the quality of life I have for something less in a place say like, the Republic of America or Russia.
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    Dec 25, 2013 5:45 AM GMT
    This was an improvement over the Catholic Church that took more than 400 years to pardon Galileo for saying that the earth revolved around the Sun.
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    Dec 25, 2013 6:25 AM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    somersault saidtoo bad that worthless old hag didn't do this 10 years ago; she does it when it's politically save and non-controversial, typical spineless "royal"

    but it is good he's been "de-vilified"


    Long live the Queen, and a life long commitment, she has dedicated to duties. Aussie would never of become the great southern land we did if it was not for the political and legal system we have today.

    We have seen way to many republics like Russia fail.


    meh if William had any balls he'd have the the old bitch killed and take the thrown haha
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    Dec 25, 2013 6:31 AM GMT
    somersault said... thrown ...


    lol
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    Dec 25, 2013 6:36 AM GMT
    turbobilly said
    somersault said... thrown ...


    lol


    hahaha ooops - *throne (it's late)

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    Dec 25, 2013 6:58 AM GMT
    somersault said
    tru_blu_ozzie said
    somersault saidtoo bad that worthless old hag didn't do this 10 years ago; she does it when it's politically save and non-controversial, typical spineless "royal"

    but it is good he's been "de-vilified"


    Long live the Queen, and a life long commitment, she has dedicated to duties. Aussie would never of become the great southern land we did if it was not for the political and legal system we have today.

    We have seen way to many republics like Russia fail.


    meh if William had any balls he'd have the the old bitch killed and take the thrown haha


    If thats how you would treat your grandmother.icon_twisted.gif But haters are always going to hate.icon_cry.gif

    But once HM Queen Elizabeth II passes away, the crown then moves on to Williams father; if he lives long enough.

    lets not forget the Royal family also employ many homosexuals and bisexuals.icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 25, 2013 7:06 AM GMT
    solsun saidThis was an improvement over the Catholic Church that took more than 400 years to pardon Galileo for saying that the earth revolved around the Sun.

    As far as I know Japan still hasn't apologized for their WWII atrocities while they were in China, Korea, and other Asian countries.
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    Dec 25, 2013 7:31 AM GMT
    somersault saidtoo bad that worthless old hag didn't do this 10 years ago; she does it when it's politically safe and non-controversial, typical spineless "royal"

    but it is good he's been "de-vilified"



    A bolshevic troll, thats new.
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    Dec 25, 2013 10:32 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    solsun saidThis was an improvement over the Catholic Church that took more than 400 years to pardon Galileo for saying that the earth revolved around the Sun.

    As far as I know Japan still hasn't apologized for their WWII atrocities while they were in China, Korea, and other Asian countries.

    Going by that logic, England and Other colonial countries have yet to apologize for their atrocities during the colonial times.
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    Dec 25, 2013 10:45 AM GMT
    I find it obsurd that he has been "pardoned" for his sexuality. He did nothing wrong!
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    Dec 25, 2013 11:08 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    solsun saidThis was an improvement over the Catholic Church that took more than 400 years to pardon Galileo for saying that the earth revolved around the Sun.

    As far as I know Japan still hasn't apologized for their WWII atrocities while they were in China, Korea, and other Asian countries.

    I heard America hasn't apologized for their war crimes either
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    Dec 25, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    solsun saidThis was an improvement over the Catholic Church that took more than 400 years to pardon Galileo for saying that the earth revolved around the Sun.

    In college astronomy 101 they taught us this is a myth.
    I wasn't there. Don't know the truth.
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    Dec 25, 2013 5:14 PM GMT
    I read in the paper today that he was forced to take estrogen by the government in order to chemically castrate him.
    Needless to say, I was horrified.
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    Dec 25, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    Why bother?

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    Dec 25, 2013 5:44 PM GMT
    Straight from the horse's (Vatican's) mouth:

    "Pope John Paul II named a commission to investigate again the Galileo affair; after the work of Galileo commission was completed, Pope John Paul II’s discourse to the Pontifical Academy of science in 1992 stated that Galileo’s sufferings at the hands of some individuals and church institutions were tragic and inescapable, and a consequence of a mutual incomprehension in those times between church theologians and the new scientists such as Galileo. To be clear, science as we know it was just being born and not even scientists of those times could comprehend fully what was happening. The Church officially apologized to Galileo in 2000. You can see Pope John Paul II’s discourse of 1992 at:..."

    http://www.vaticanobservatory.org/index.php/en/history-of-astronomy/197-the-galileo-affair



    JohnSpotter said
    solsun saidThis was an improvement over the Catholic Church that took more than 400 years to pardon Galileo for saying that the earth revolved around the Sun.

    In college astronomy 101 they taught us this is a myth.
    I wasn't there. Don't know the truth.