Split Cali into six states?

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    Dec 24, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    http://techcrunch.com/2013/12/23/yes-its-real-tim-draper-gives-details-on-ballot-initiative-to-make-silicon-valley-a-state/?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 24, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
    We need to do the same exact thing to the State of New York.
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    Dec 24, 2013 6:06 PM GMT
    awww the sick techie freaks want their own little Switzerland, how noble of them
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    Dec 24, 2013 6:06 PM GMT
    Funny how the right-wingers are keen to split up the elector-rich large blue states but not, say, Texas or Florida. Makes you go "hmmmm".
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    Dec 24, 2013 6:22 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidFunny how the right-wingers are keen to split up the elector-rich large blue states but not, say, Texas or Florida. Makes you go "hmmmm".
    Splitting up Texas and Florida along with Georgia and Louisiana sounds like a good idea to me.
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    Dec 24, 2013 6:33 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Aristoshark saidFunny how the right-wingers are keen to split up the elector-rich large blue states but not, say, Texas or Florida. Makes you go "hmmmm".
    Splitting up Texas and Florida along with Georgia and Louisiana sounds like a good idea to me.

    Florida is functionally two separate states, it's true. North Florida is really South Georgia.
  • Destinharbor

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    Dec 24, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    roadbikeRob said
    Aristoshark saidFunny how the right-wingers are keen to split up the elector-rich large blue states but not, say, Texas or Florida. Makes you go "hmmmm".
    Splitting up Texas and Florida along with Georgia and Louisiana sounds like a good idea to me.

    Florida is functionally two separate states, it's true. North Florida is really South Georgia.

    Or worse. South Alabama. Or Mississippi east. I live in it and shudder to hear the politics. Mindless.
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    Dec 24, 2013 7:04 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    Aristoshark said
    roadbikeRob said
    Aristoshark saidFunny how the right-wingers are keen to split up the elector-rich large blue states but not, say, Texas or Florida. Makes you go "hmmmm".
    Splitting up Texas and Florida along with Georgia and Louisiana sounds like a good idea to me.

    Florida is functionally two separate states, it's true. North Florida is really South Georgia.

    Or worse. South Alabama. Or Mississippi east. I live in it and shudder to hear the politics. Mindless.
    How about splitting Oklahoma in two, would that change anythingicon_question.gif
  • Jonny21

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    Dec 24, 2013 7:10 PM GMT
    A state cannot sua sponte do anything like this, per article IV, section 3 of the US Constitution. If they tried to do it without Congressional approval, it would be unconstitutional. In order to split or merge states, the state legislature, AND more importantly, Congress would have to sign off on something like this. I just don't see it happening. See the text below.

    ARTICLE IV SECTION 3.

    "New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress."
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    Dec 24, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    No, because the song "fifty nifty united states" would have to change the lyrics and that would be some bullshit. icon_lol.gif
  • danielek

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    Dec 24, 2013 7:49 PM GMT
    Reading the comments on that article and the use "liberal" as a derogative reminds me why I'm glad I'm not American and don't live in the United States.
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    Jonny21 saidA state cannot sua sponte do anything like this, per article IV, section 3 of the US Constitution. If they tried to do it without Congressional approval, it would be unconstitutional. In order to split or merge states, the state legislature, AND more importantly, Congress would have to sign off on something like this. I just don't see it happening. See the text below.

    ARTICLE IV SECTION 3.

    "New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress."


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    Dec 24, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidFunny how the right-wingers are keen to split up the elector-rich large blue states but not, say, Texas or Florida. Makes you go "hmmmm".


    I think the balance would move further toward blue instead of red. I can see only the central valley and maybe San Diego moving red and even that is doubtful. So four of the six would remain democrat
  • Kalifornicati...

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    Dec 25, 2013 5:22 AM GMT
    I want Los Angeles to be its own state. New York, Chicago, can follow the lead.
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    Dec 25, 2013 6:42 AM GMT
    Wait, what? Why would anyone want MORE states? You guys down there already can't get anything done because each state acts like its own little country. If anything, the USA needs to merge down to about 15 states.
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    Dec 25, 2013 7:00 AM GMT
    SeismicMuscle saidWait, what? Why would anyone want MORE states? You guys down there already can't get anything done because each state acts like its own little country. If anything, the USA needs to merge down to about 15 states.
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    Dec 25, 2013 7:02 AM GMT
    California needs to be its own country. icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 25, 2013 7:59 AM GMT
    I think the younger ones here will see exactly that in their lifetimes. The United States isn't so united anymore and I only see it getting worse .... unless we're faced with a nation threatening external crisis such as a world war started by China or Russia, etc.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Dec 25, 2013 8:01 AM GMT
    Or just make CA it's own country and screw it
  • stol

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    Dec 25, 2013 10:19 AM GMT
    danielek saidReading the comments on that article and the use "liberal" as a derogative reminds me why I'm glad I'm not American and don't live in the United States.


    Ditto
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    Dec 25, 2013 10:40 AM GMT
    I just think gerrymandering should be illegal and senate representation needs to be fixed.
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    Dec 25, 2013 12:33 PM GMT
    nevz saidI just think gerrymandering should be illegal and senate representation needs to be fixed.

    I'd agree with this. There is no way that all those flyover states get the same senate numbers as important states. The senate needs to be representative of the population, because as it stands, Montana has as much standing as California with about as much impact as my poop.
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    Dec 25, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    roadbikeRob said
    Aristoshark saidFunny how the right-wingers are keen to split up the elector-rich large blue states but not, say, Texas or Florida. Makes you go "hmmmm".
    Splitting up Texas and Florida along with Georgia and Louisiana sounds like a good idea to me.

    Florida is functionally two separate states, it's true. North Florida is really South Georgia.


    How dare you!!!! I am officially offended. North Florida may be bad but we sure as hell ain't Georgia. icon_evil.gif
  • WhoDey

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    Dec 25, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    smartmoney said
    nevz saidI just think gerrymandering should be illegal and senate representation needs to be fixed.

    I'd agree with this. There is no way that all those flyover states get the same senate numbers as important states. The senate needs to be representative of the population, because as it stands, Montana has as much standing as California with about as much impact as my poop.


    You want a section of legislature based on population? I've never heard of that concept and it sure as hell doesn't exist in this country.
  • Whipmagic

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    Dec 25, 2013 4:18 PM GMT
    SeismicMuscle saidWait, what? Why would anyone want MORE states? You guys down there already can't get anything done because each state acts like its own little country. If anything, the USA needs to merge down to about 15 states.


    This would make way too much sense, so it's not going to happen. icon_cool.gif