Another FIVE year delay for answer on Keystone?

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    Dec 26, 2013 3:46 PM GMT
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/xl-pipeline-delay-project/2013/12/26/id/543829

    Been five years already so WTF do they have to continue studying?

    I've been real quiet about criticizing this president except for twice calling him petulant, but this is yet another area where he really has his head up his ass.
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    Dec 26, 2013 4:02 PM GMT
    A bone to the fanatic base.
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    Dec 26, 2013 4:03 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidA bone to the fanatic base.


    Which I'm sure we'll hear from shortly.
  • PIccadilly

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    Dec 27, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    I agree. I wish he'd stop beating around the bush and say "No!" to this damn project once and for all.
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    Dec 27, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Blakes7 saidA bone to the fanatic base.


    Which I'm sure we'll hear from shortly.


    And we did.

    Even if I agreed with Obama on everything ( I certainly didn't) I would have NOT voted for him for this reason alone.
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    Dec 27, 2013 9:05 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    freedomisntfree said
    Blakes7 saidA bone to the fanatic base.


    Which I'm sure we'll hear from shortly.


    And we did.

    Even if I agreed with Obama on everything ( I certainly didn't) I would have NOT voted for him for this reason alone.


    Good thing is, thanks to the democrats. He can not run for another term.. He must join the unemployment line.
  • Selfie77

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    Dec 27, 2013 9:16 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    freedomisntfree said
    Blakes7 saidA bone to the fanatic base.


    Which I'm sure we'll hear from shortly.


    And we did.

    Even if I agreed with Obama on everything ( I certainly didn't) I would have NOT voted for him for this reason alone.



    But Obama has done so many things that improve the life of every gay person in America. Isn't YOUR life visibly and measurably improved because of him?
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 28, 2013 5:03 PM GMT
    The keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do). The moment oil is spilled, the profits won't make up for the money in cleaning costs nor the toll on human life (in fact, the oil industry just uses chemicals to hide their messes, worsening the effects off each spill).
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    Dec 28, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do). The moment oil is spilled, the profits won't make up for the money in cleaning costs nor the toll on human life (in fact, the oil industry just uses chemicals to hide their messes, worsening the effects off each spill).


    What took you so long?

    Be one of the best things Obama could do is approve Keystone. Explore here, drill here in North America and keep it it here.

    There will be a pipeline built going somewhere. Either here or to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China / India.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 28, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do). The moment oil is spilled, the profits won't make up for the money in cleaning costs nor the toll on human life (in fact, the oil industry just uses chemicals to hide their messes, worsening the effects off each spill).


    What took you so long?

    Be one of the best things Obama could do is approve Keystone. Explore here, drill here in North America and keep it it here.

    There will be a pipeline built going somewhere. Either here or to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China / India.

    And who's going to clean up the mess after the oil companies have hastily and recklessly drilled, spilled, and dispersed oil into the ground, air and water???
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    Dec 28, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do). The moment oil is spilled, the profits won't make up for the money in cleaning costs nor the toll on human life (in fact, the oil industry just uses chemicals to hide their messes, worsening the effects off each spill).


    What took you so long?

    Be one of the best things Obama could do is approve Keystone. Explore here, drill here in North America and keep it it here.

    There will be a pipeline built going somewhere. Either here or to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China / India.

    And who's going to clean up the mess after the oil companies have hastily and recklessly drilled, spilled, and dispersed oil into the ground, air and water???


    You!

    There will be a pipeline built going somewhere. Either here or to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China / India.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 28, 2013 5:35 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do). The moment oil is spilled, the profits won't make up for the money in cleaning costs nor the toll on human life (in fact, the oil industry just uses chemicals to hide their messes, worsening the effects off each spill).


    What took you so long?

    Be one of the best things Obama could do is approve Keystone. Explore here, drill here in North America and keep it it here.

    There will be a pipeline built going somewhere. Either here or to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China / India.

    And who's going to clean up the mess after the oil companies have hastily and recklessly drilled, spilled, and dispersed oil into the ground, air and water???


    You!

    There will be a pipeline built going somewhere. Either here or to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China / India.

    Canadian corporations have been just as unscrupulous about the environment as US corporations. The problem is that all money is made off of finite and/or toxic resources. Money is being confused as a basic need, but, in fact, clean air and water are basic needs, and the love of money is pure evil.
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    Dec 28, 2013 7:13 PM GMT
    ^^

    screw both Indian and China, let them use Saudi and Nigerian oil. Refine the oil where it's drilled and use it in North America
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    Dec 28, 2013 8:03 PM GMT
    I wish they'd build it. Jobs, oil and secure source of Canadian sludge for 20 years or so. Why not?
    Oh I know, my environmentalist whacko friends worry about ruining the country or even the loser people who would live near it, but I say, choice is a wonderful thing. If you live so close to a pipeline that a little spill would injure you or your trailer, then put the wheels back on the shit box and drag it a few hundred yards further up the hill.
    Why does America always expect other countries to create fuel and the dirty mess that goes along with it, but never wants to do it themselves, and yet we use an awful lot of the fuel produced around the world. Let's be responsible adults for a change and allow a pipeline that would be useful for the future of our country.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 28, 2013 8:08 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidI wish they'd build it. Jobs, oil and secure source of Canadian sludge for 20 years or so. Why not?
    Oh I know, my environmentalist whacko friends worry about ruining the country or even the loser people who would live near it, but I say, choice is a wonderful thing. If you live so close to a pipeline that a little spill would injure you or your trailer, then put the wheels back on the shit box and drag it a few hundred yards further up the hill.
    Why does America always expect other countries to create fuel and the dirty mess that goes along with it, but never wants to do it themselves, and yet we use an awful lot of the fuel produced around the world. Let's be responsible adults for a change and allow a pipeline that would be useful for the future of our country.

    Um, we've deforested and mined our country to death. Corporations don't care what country they're mining in. There will be plenty of US citizens living in (worse than) third world conditions soon enough, and people who say they can just move their trailers aren't likely to sympathize with them, after the damage has already been done.
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    Dec 28, 2013 8:33 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do). The moment oil is spilled, the profits won't make up for the money in cleaning costs nor the toll on human life (in fact, the oil industry just uses chemicals to hide their messes, worsening the effects off each spill).


    What took you so long?

    Be one of the best things Obama could do is approve Keystone. Explore here, drill here in North America and keep it it here.

    There will be a pipeline built going somewhere. Either here or to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China / India.

    And who's going to clean up the mess after the oil companies have hastily and recklessly drilled, spilled, and dispersed oil into the ground, air and water???


    You!

    There will be a pipeline built going somewhere. Either here or to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China / India.

    Canadian corporations have been just as unscrupulous about the environment as US corporations. The problem is that all money is made off of finite and/or toxic resources. Money is being confused as a basic need, but, in fact, clean air and water are basic needs, and the love of money is pure evil.


    And wind turbines kill birds

    http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/collisions/wind_policy.html

    So now what? Sit around the campfire like cavemen? Oh sorry, can't do the campfire either?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 28, 2013 10:00 PM GMT
    We do not need the Keystone pipeline from Northern Canada. The US has more than enough of its own oil to meet future energy needs. It is time to kill the Keystone pipeline dead.
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    Dec 28, 2013 10:32 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWe do not need the Keystone pipeline from Northern Canada. The US has more than enough of its own oil to meet future energy needs. It is time to kill the Keystone pipeline dead.


    Build it. That way if we need it we have it.
  • Selfie77

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    Dec 29, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do).



    Who is writing this stuff, a 2nd grader? Or are you a parody of one of those environmental activists?
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 29, 2013 6:17 PM GMT
    Selfie77 said
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do).



    Who is writing this stuff, a 2nd grader? Or are you a parody of one of those environmental activists?

    No. Historically, these things leak and contaminate the environment. What makes you think a new pipeline will be any different?
  • rnch

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    Dec 29, 2013 6:40 PM GMT
    Piccadilly saidI agree. I wish he'd stop beating around the bush and say "No!" to this damn project once and for all.





    My thoughts also.
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    Dec 29, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Selfie77 said
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do).



    Who is writing this stuff, a 2nd grader? Or are you a parody of one of those environmental activists?

    No. Historically, these things leak and contaminate the environment. What makes you think a new pipeline will be any different?


    Drill baby drill !
  • Selfie77

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    Dec 29, 2013 7:48 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Selfie77 said
    HottJoe saidThe keystone pipeline would be disastrous. It would leak constantly and poison the people/land, and inevitably lead to a massive oil spill (as they always do).



    Who is writing this stuff, a 2nd grader? Or are you a parody of one of those environmental activists?

    No. Historically, these things leak and contaminate the environment. What makes you think a new pipeline will be any different?


    Disastrous.

    Would leak constantly.

    Would poison the people/land.

    Inevitably lead to a massive oil spill.


    Have you any idea how many hundreds of thousands of miles of oil pipelines already exist in the USA?

    #clueless
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    Dec 29, 2013 8:11 PM GMT
    It's not in the company's interests to build a pipe that leaks. You can't sell what doesn't make it to the refinery. Not to mention the costs associated with spills. Speaking of refineries, you wouldn't NEED a pipeline if they were allowed to build a refinery nearer to the wells.
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    Dec 29, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    heureux_l_homme saidSmart for Obama for kicking this down the road. Its not going to reduce the cost of gas at the pump. People who support this vote Republican. And the kickers is...when one drop leaks, Faux News will call it the Obama Pipeline. Limbug will scream over and over that Obama approved this disaster! Glenn Beck will share a conspiracy theory about radical leftists own the pipeline. There is simply not one reason why Obama should approve this white elephant.

    Then you have oil companies. They oppose anything that encourages conservation or alternative energy. Why? They make profits by selling...OIL!...and the more they sell, the more profits they make. Business schools train future oil executives that their objective is to "maximize shareholder value" by any means necessary. The public be damned. The environment be damned.

    Good thing that Obama has our back. If its really needed, then its a great bargaining chip to get some badly needed funding for alternative energy sources and conservation.


    "Good thing that Obama has our back"

    You mean he has your anus. Approve keystone now, not 2017.