Anyone else offended by portrayals on most TV shows, like Modern Damily?

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    Dec 29, 2013 4:23 AM GMT
    It is rare that network shows have masculine, athletic guys portrayed on most network TV dramas or comedies. Instead we get Modern Family, Will&Grace, Jack Saves The World, with its gay characters sounding like the stereotype that many people consider 'normal' representations. Doesn't this offend other gay guys? I guess the programs think it would be too taboo to have the guys be real macho athletic "real jock" type guys instead. I think they are demeaning and making fun of gay guys by doing this...almost by saying 'this is how we see you and want you portrayed on TV for the mass audience". I actually think in the case of Modern Family, there would have been a rich minefield of stories if the Cam and Mitchell had been cast and played as two masculine athletic, great looking guys that Phil and the Dad would have been jealous of (ie beating them in athletic competitions, having women hit on them instead of the straight guys, be better parents, etc...). But again, I think they just hit stereotypes again and agsin
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    Dec 29, 2013 4:24 AM GMT
    What is "Modern Damily?"
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    Dec 29, 2013 6:25 AM GMT
    Will & Grace was sort of a double-edge sword. The show introduced gay culture to the masses, and was a stepping stone towards acceptance. But at the same time, it perpetuated a lot of the gay stereotypes. The thing is, stereotypes get ratings. No one wants to see "normal" gays.

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    Dec 29, 2013 5:43 PM GMT
    There are some shows that have masculine gay characters (i.e. Brothers & Sisters, Hollyoaks, etc..). The ones that have flamboyant, stereotypical gay characters want to keep the audience's attention (& being politically correct is simply boring). Let's support the shows that make an effort to include gay characters (as long as they are portrayed in a somewhat positive fashion).
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 29, 2013 7:05 PM GMT
    I think feminine men are depicted as socially naive attention whoring clowns and masculine gay men are depicted as cowboy cliches. I don't think TV ever gets it right, because audiences aren't looking to step into someone else's shoes and understand their experiences. They're looking for cheap laughs and sexual innuendo.

    There is a solution: read books instead. Brokeback Mountain is actually a very touching short story about ordinary gay men. In the movie, audiences connect with the characters mostly 'cause they're perrty.
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    Dec 29, 2013 9:06 PM GMT
    I've seen a couple of episodes of Modern Family, I actually love Sofia Vergara the most on that show, her accent is way Hot. I swear if I was straight, I'd marry a Latina/Colombian, I think they're sexy as hell Lol. Anyway, The gay couple is okay! It's stereo-typical flamboyant gays. But let's face it, network TV executives love to cast dramatic/stereo typical people for ratings!

    If you watch The Bachelor, Amazing Race, Big Brother...other reality tv shows, there's always a type. The Mean girl, bitchy blond, the token black/minority guy, the guy or girl who's too emotional/cry all the time! It makes for good ratings and ratings = more endorsements/money!

    The only other gay couples on TV I like are that gay couple from brothers and sisters (Seth MacFarlane & the Brit actor) and probably Queer As Folk! I like Will and Grace, I thought Jack was annoying as hell, Will is okay! His character was too controlling for my taste!
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    Dec 29, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    There was a report a while back that Daniel Craig wanted James Bond 007 to have a gay sex scene in Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace? The producers of 007 were very anti the idea because they did not want to kill Bond's **Straightness/Machismo or whatever to the female worldwide fans! Look at Rupert Everett, his career tanked after he came out! Being an out actor = less desired female and male straight fans! It's all about $$$, Hollywood is still very conservative! They were ready to award Ang Lee the best director twice but not awarded **Brokeback Mountain as best picture! Imagine that.




    YourName2000 saidI'm so ready for a gay character to be the lead in a spy movie or some crazy action movie....why are there no gay "Jason Bournes" yet?? We're due for a gay military hero, or charismatic leading man with mad skillz and a chiseled face...some total top who gets the job done and nails some fine ass along the way, leaving a trail of broken hearts and love-torn faces in his wake. Come on Holywood!! icon_biggrin.gif


  • Timbales

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    Dec 29, 2013 10:50 PM GMT
    No, it doesn't offend me any more than the labels and stereotypes that many in the gay community use and enforce like twinks, bears and whatnot.
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    Dec 30, 2013 8:01 PM GMT
    Yes. I turn the channel when there is the effeminate actor or designer show. Same thing when there is a woman with an annoying whining voice that is announcing or that female sports announcer talking about football.
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    Dec 30, 2013 8:33 PM GMT
    The recent tv program "Happy Endings" had a very unstereotypical gay character.
  • kew1

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    Dec 31, 2013 10:14 AM GMT
    Gay TV cops seem to escape the stereotyping - Southland & Six Feet Under.
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    Dec 31, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
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    If every Black person on TV was portrayed as always having fried chicken or watermelon in their mouth and saying "oh lordy lordy", there would be riots in the streets. But gay people just take it. I think it's great that we're not being hypereactive about it, but I also think it's time we stood up and let these producers know we're sick of being portrayed this way.
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    Dec 31, 2013 2:58 PM GMT
    The US version of Queer as Folk had some masculine gay characters. Only "Emmett" was really gay stereotyped, plus "Justin" was simply too beautiful (to me, anyway, fortunately I knew the actor was actually legally older than the underage teen he portrayed).

    But its shortcomings included plots that were almost nothing but gay & lesbian drama, not showing our world in the best light. And a title with "queer" in it was probably not going to attract much of a straight audience, anyway, to see us in any light.

    Still, it had some good insights & realistic situations, when taken individually and not as a gay saga, and wasn't as shallow and exaggerated as Will & Grace could get.
  • Selfie77

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    Dec 31, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
    Well we don't help ourselves when our "pride" parades look like this:

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    Dec 31, 2013 3:35 PM GMT
    Selfie77 saidWell we don't help ourselves when our "pride" parades look like this:



    True. But the same people complaining about being stereotyped are often the same people that consider drag synonymous with being gay. Complain about it and you'll get bombarded with exaggerated stories of Stonewall.
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    Dec 31, 2013 3:59 PM GMT
    It would be nice to see a gay action thriller or a gay character portraying a masculine athlete. But I am not offended with shows like Will and Grace and Modern Family. I was sad that Brothers and Sisters was taken off the air thoughicon_sad.gif
  • theatre_geek

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    Dec 31, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
    It's true that a lot of these shows only portray a certain type of gay character. Lets not forget that stereotypes have some truth to them and there are a lot of gay men that identify with these characters.

    Will is a portrayal of what a lot of gay men go through. The love of his life dumps him. He's a bit self hating at first. He can't keep a boyfriend. He struggles as a gay man in a field ran by predominately straight men.
    He has characters flaws for sure. But by the end of the series he has grown substantially. He's also a good guy that is always there for his friends and family when they need him.

    Jack is cooky and flighty. He has no real direction in life. So many people (not just gay men) are. He is however a loyal friend. He sticks by Will through thick and thin.

    Cam and Mitch have been in a committed relationship for over 8 years. They have a stable home and they are loving fathers.

    I'd rather have these characters portraying the gay community then going back to when any gay or effeminate character portrayed was the villain or was completely self destructive.
  • FRE0

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    Dec 31, 2013 6:30 PM GMT
    I have never watched a complete program of that type. I was too put-off right from the start to watch an entire program.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 31, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
    Selfie77 saidWell we don't help ourselves when our "pride" parades look like this:

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    What is it about these people that bothers you so much? They look like they're having a great time.... dividing the gay community isn't going to change anyone. People will do drag no matter how many of them you ostracize or beat to death.
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    Jan 01, 2014 5:21 AM GMT
    Actually, I am somewhat more offended by the portrayal of scientists on TV.
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    Jan 01, 2014 11:53 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidActually, I am somewhat more offended by the portrayal of scientists on TV.


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    Jan 01, 2014 1:38 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    What is it about these people that bothers you so much? They look like they're having a great time.... dividing the gay community isn't going to change anyone. People will do drag no matter how many of them you ostracize or beat to death.

    You need to realize that southbeach has always been relentlessly negative and demoralizing regarding the gay community. It's one of the reasons he comes here to associate with people he obviously despises so much. Dividing gays and disrupting this site are among his goals.
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    Jan 01, 2014 2:02 PM GMT
    I remember the Steven Carrington character in Dynasty in the mid 80's, especially when he hooked up with Luke. They weren't portrayed as stereotypical.
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    Jan 01, 2014 4:19 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Selfie77 saidWell we don't help ourselves when our "pride" parades look like this:

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    What is it about these people that bothers you so much? They look like they're having a great time.... dividing the gay community isn't going to change anyone. People will do drag no matter how many of them you ostracize or beat to death.



    It's a bit of a high level concept, so let me try and get it to sink in to your head:

    We don't help ourselves when our "pride" parades look like what is in the pics I posted as those images are in many cases the only images the bulk of the population gets exposed to, hence they make the connection that what they see marching in these parades is representative of the gay community. You know it isn't (at least I HOPE you know it isn't), I definitely know it isn't, but - and this is on topic - it presents an unrepresentative image of "gay" to the public.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 01, 2014 9:37 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Selfie77 saidWell we don't help ourselves when our "pride" parades look like this:

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    What is it about these people that bothers you so much? They look like they're having a great time.... dividing the gay community isn't going to change anyone. People will do drag no matter how many of them you ostracize or beat to death.


    I agree.

    One of the reasons I was in gay pride parades when I lived in San Diego was to balance out the excesses that I felt were detrimental to our image as gay persons. Once I marched with the Great Outdoors group and twice I drove my 1955 Packard Caribbean convertible with the Integrity group.