Emulsification Blenders. Health Master vs. Magic Bullet. What Do RealJocks Need to get their vegetables? What's Your Recipe: Kale and Blueberries?

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    Dec 29, 2013 8:14 AM GMT
    I want to do something about this in 2014.
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    Dec 29, 2013 8:37 AM GMT
    The Vitamix is a better blender than the Montel Williams Health Master.
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    Dec 30, 2013 1:12 AM GMT
    In the sauna this morning, a fellow member told me there's a Ninja blender at Target.
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    Jan 02, 2014 1:30 AM GMT
    Kale, banana, turnip, and lemon juice?
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    Jan 13, 2014 3:24 AM GMT
    Blendtec beats Vitamix:



    Google "kale blueberry smoothie" for thousands of variations.
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    Jan 15, 2014 5:11 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidBlendtec beats Vitamix:



    Google "kale blueberry smoothie" for thousands of variations.


    Hi EagerMuscle,

    I just got back from the movie: August Osage County.

    I'm looking forward to watching the video you are sharing.
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    Jan 15, 2014 5:17 AM GMT
    YourName2000 saidNutribullet is cheap and works like a charm. I have one at home and another at work. Love 'em.

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    And yeah, it will massacre kale, heh heh heh.


    Hi YourName2000,

    You are making such a good and strong impression on me because you set such a good and strong example. Your response is such a support to me. May I find people like you in my offline life.

    I looked at some kale and now I'm thinking the monster kale might have more water content than the sort of dry curly kale.
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    Jan 15, 2014 8:19 AM GMT
    personally i prefer just eating the fruits/veg whole, without turning them into a slurry of mixed pulp. your body benefits from the act of chewing the food and combining it with enzymes from saliva that you don't get when u just drink it, and there's science that supports that blending causes increased oxidation and loss of nutrients and anti-oxidants. maybe an acceptable trade-off if you're just looking for something you can gulp on the go i guess.

    eat your kale in a great salad, and save the blender for margarita night
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    Jan 16, 2014 2:18 AM GMT
    thadjock

    your body benefits from the act of chewing the food and combining it with enzymes from saliva that you don't get when u just drink it


    StephenOABC

    Please provide the degree of harm or the degree of loss and in what respect.


    thadjock

    and there's science that supports that blending causes increased oxidation and loss of nutrients and anti-oxidants.


    StephenOABC

    Please provide the degree of increased oxidation and more importantly the degree of nutrient and anti-oxidant loss.

    In conclusion, the vegetable consumption seems to be effective given the testimonies of people consuming more vegetables via Vitamix vs. via salad. Can you really consume a head of lettuce a day by eating it as opposed to putting it in a Vitamix or Nutribullet?
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    Jan 16, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidBlendtec beats Vitamix:



    Google "kale blueberry smoothie" for thousands of variations.


    I liked the video. Now, if I buy the Vitamix, I'll get the widest caraffe.

    Kale, blueberry, pineapple: sounds good. (I know there are more recipes and recipes that call for more ingredients.)
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    Jan 17, 2014 5:30 AM GMT
    YourName2000 said
    If you're drinking it right after you blend, I suspect you're getting more out of your food than if you didn't use a blender at all and just ate it. Certainly the energy it gives me is amazing. icon_smile.gif


    I'll take ur word for that,

    but I'm still not gonna buy any blender that won't liquify a whole rotisserie chicken ( bones and all ) in under 90 seconds.
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    Jan 18, 2014 4:36 AM GMT
    A guy told me about 4 years ago to buy flax seeds and a coffee blender. I did that. So, I should be getting nutrients there.

    Do you think the coffee blender is better for those little flax seeds than the Nutri-Bullet blade for seeds?
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    Jan 18, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
    My Blendtec does a great job on flax seeds, though the friction will cloud the carafe. Obviously, Blendtecs and Vitamixers are a lot more expensive than Magic Bullets, but you get what you pay for.

    If you're still considering those more expensive blenders here's my review and experience:

    My initial preference was for the Vitamix given the durability, customer service and warranty but after I researched Blendtec's new larger, easier-to-clean "Wildside Jar" carafe with extra wide 4 inch (vs. 3 inch) blades I went with that. Apparently the new carafe and wider blade oxidizes whatever it blends less; oxidation is what makes apples turn brown and represents a loss of nutritional content. You also don't need to "tamp down" the produce you're blending with the wider carafe and blade, whereas this extra effort appears much more likely with the Vitamix. I've been very happy with the Blendtec for almost two years now, using it primarily for making green protein smoothies and protein ice cream, each a one-touch preset button on the device. It's very quick and easy to use and clean.

    Blenders are better for fruit than juicers, which are the recommended nutritive extraction choice for vegetables. Depending on what you're looking to get out of blending you might want to consider getting a juicer instead (or in addition to). The versatility of getting both a juicer and a blender make the extra expense worthwhile.




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    Jan 18, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
    A bit more on juicing versus blending even though it's off-topic:

    Consider whether the extra nutritional delivery of juicers is worth the extra work, time and cleanup to you. Factor in that juicers extract pure juice and leave behind the pulp; the pure juice delivers nutrients which are also more absorbable to your system faster, and you can drink much more of them - it's easier to drink a tall glass of pure kale composed of 6 or more leaves than try to force down that many leaves that have been blended into a smoothie. (The pulp can be fed to dogs or dehydrated and repurposed as "crackers.")

    There's an argument that green smoothies (blender with water/ice) retain only 15% of the nutritional value of the greens compared to 100% for green juicing (juicer) because the high chopping speed and heat of the blender (compared to the slow, quieter squeezing speed of the juicer) "oxygenates" the vitamins out of the greens (consistent with what I mentioned earlier about Blendtec's wider blade oxidizing whatever it blends less). But another camp argues that that's hogwash and in fact green smoothies are more nutritious than green juices. I figured the best approach was to both and blend and juice for different purposes (again, I blend protein smoothies and protein ice cream with equal amounts of vegetables and such fruits as frozen bananas, blueberries and fresh cranberries as a healthy way to fill up given the pulp, but for the most nutritional delivery I juice vegetables with the only fruit being a green apple and maybe half a piece of something else).

    The Blendtec takes 20 seconds to clean whereas my juicer takes 2-3 minutes, but the juicer's worth it because everything juices easily and the green juice is so much more concentrated than the green smoothies. The juicer's far quieter than the blender when I regularly squeeze 16 ounces of juice.

    I put about 10 kale leaves with other greens in my first juice and it was pretty repulsive, almost as bad as a little tiny shot of wheatgrass, but worse in a way because it yielded over 12 ounces of juice; afterwards using just six kale leaves and a ton of almost any other greens (spinach, broccoli, cucumber and a green apple) it was a lot more palatable. The more fruit you add the tastier the juice, obviously, but the point of the juicer was to juice greens; if I wanted mostly fruit juice I'd have bought a far cheaper unit. You don't want a lot of fruit while juicing because it's counterproductive given the sugar/calories and accompanying insulin spike.

    The best juicers appear to be masticating non-upright juicers with "horizontal" single auger types. I wasn't about to spend $1000 for the best, most durable brand - the Angel - instead I decided on the Omega 8006 model for about $300. It was an easy decision because I wanted to juice wheatgrass, limiting my options, and there were complaints about the Omega 8005 auger which was so much less durable that plastic shavings off it would sometimes work their way into the juice! So paying just a little more for the 8006 was worth it because the auger was 8x harder, the 8006 alone had a fifteen year warranty (longest in the biz), they moved the switch from the top (splash zone?) to the rear, designed an ergonomic handle at the top and provided bigger juice/pulp containers. I got it in the chrome and black finish because I figured white would eventually stain and it looks good on my countertop, which is important because that's where I plan on keeping it - if I had to lug it out of a cabinet every time I wanted to juice I'd be less likely to.

    With the Omega 8006 the juice can have as little or as much pulp as you want because there are TWO strainers, a filter insert and a sieve. The filter you can keep inserted which makes sense because otherwise the juicer would be more of a bitch to clean, and the only thing remotely difficult about cleaning the juicer is scrubbing the filter insert with the included "toothbrush" for maybe 10 seconds. There's a sieve that fits atop the containers so you can pour the juice through it to remove any foam and pulp that wasn't extruded through the filter. I stopped using the sieve because the pulp that strained out of it was very minimal and I like my juice pulpy anyway. Juicing wheatgrass is easy, and as for reviews about how that juicer doesn't extract all the juice from the wheatgrass, taking a couple of seconds to re-run the not-quite-dry pulp through a second and third time squeezes out any excess.

    Here's what later validated my decisions as to which brands to use for both - I've observed that most health food stores that sell wheatgrass shots use Omega masticating juicers and most gyms make smoothies in Blendtec blenders!

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    Jan 21, 2014 3:26 AM GMT
    I have a juicer.

    I really can't afford anything more than a refurbished Vitamix and I might have to downgrade my gym membership for that.

    After more than two years here on RealJock, I thought I would find a lover and two can live less expensively than one, but no, that didn't happen.
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    Jan 21, 2014 3:32 AM GMT
    As for your second post...

    Just like people eat protein powder because eating so much meat to get 100-150 grams of protein per day is difficult, I thought the NutriBullet or the Vitamix would help me get the increase of leafy greens I want.

    Now, you're saying I lose 85% of the nutrients when I use a $300 refurbished Vitamix or a $100 Nutribullet.
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    Jan 21, 2014 11:37 PM GMT
    Hey, the OP brought up the Vitamix without mentioning the "refurbished" part, which is why I mentioned the Blendtec. If I knew the budget was $100 or less I'd have kept my mouth shut. Clearly I didn't because I said "Obviously, Blendtecs and Vitamixers are a lot more expensive than Magic Bullets, but you get what you pay for. If you're still considering those more expensive blenders here's my review and experience:"

    As for losing more nutrients blending versus juicing I qualified that by adding "another camp argues that that's hogwash and in fact green smoothies are more nutritious than green juices" and said that those that can afford to do both should consider doing both. You can find online evidence supporting any premise so sometimes, instead of wasting time, you gotta go with your gut. In this case, concluding logically that if you can only take in so much fiber you take in even less juice. If you can only injest 3 blended kale leaves but can down the juice of 8 and make crackers out of the leftover pulp why not blend and juice?

    Hopefully others found the information I provided useful.
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    Jan 22, 2014 3:18 AM GMT
    YourName2000 saidI can't find any article online that backs up the claim that blending (in the sense of a nutribullet or other emulsive blender) loses nutrients. In fact, some opinions say it's the other way around: juicing loses about 15% of nutrients. This makes sense to me, since the end product is a lot more exposed to air during the juicing process.

    Personally, I'll never juice: it's stupid to me to take out the fiber and then run around trying to put it back in with flax seeds and what have you....pay for it once. And the few articles I just read comparing nutribullet to the others said there was no significant difference save for the space, price, and capacity.

    I have the original "magic bullet" and it's junk compared to the nutribullet..I suspect some of the naysayers here are confusing the two machines.

    If it's just for you, Stephen, save your money: spend $100 and get 'emulsifying' today with a nutribullet. If you need to make a gallon at a time (lol), go for the blendtec.



    Thank you so much, YourName.

    Why can't my brother act like you?

    I need this encouragement.

    If I can lose just 20 pounds from this lifestyle improvement I will have accomplished something.

    Why can't my ex come back to me and tell me something encouraging like this?

    I will regain some of my handsome features. Who knows how much flexibility I'll get back? How much aging will be slowed by this?

    YourName, did you lose any weight by having this at home and at work, like you say above?

    Yes, this has been worrying me. I figure if the Nutribullet doesn't blend as fine as the Vegemix then less mass will be exposed to oxygen, so counter-intuitively, the Nutribullet is better than the Vitamix.

    I really want a vibrating plate which costs about $2,000, so if I get the Nutribullet instead of the Vitamix, I'll be $200 closer to getting my vibrating plate. They have a vibrating plate at my health club but you can't get on it unless your paying a trainer $30/hr or something. I want my own.

    To discourage me away from increased potassium and leafy green intake depresses my life force. YourName, thanks from keeping me from falling too far in disappointment and second-guessing over this.

    So many men over 48 are more than 40 pounds over their weight at 30. (My high school debate partner, however, is one of the exceptions to that rule.)

    Your name, I give you my gratitude. My mom let me borrow her Nutribullet information, so I'm visualizing it.

    I can't wait until I have 10% more energy than I have now just from eating raw vegetables and fruits (not from aluminum cans)--like today when I made tuna fish salad: two cans of tuna, half can of string beans, half can of black beans, organic mayonaise, celery flakes, parsley flakes, onion power, sea salt, garlic powder, kelp, and flax seeds from a coffee grinder.

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    Jan 29, 2014 3:43 AM GMT
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    YourName2000 saidNutribullet is cheap and works like a charm. I have one at home and another at work. Love 'em.

    Nutribullet1.png

    And yeah, it will massacre kale, heh heh heh.


    Hi YourName2000,

    You are making such a good and strong impression on me because you set such a good and strong example. Your response is such a support to me. May I find people like you in my offline life.

    I looked at some kale and now I'm thinking the monster kale might have more water content than the sort of dry curly kale.


    I feel dirty after reading this. icon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 29, 2014 4:17 AM GMT
    I already have a juicer but rarely use it because it's such a bitch to clean up. Plus I would rather keep the fiber in my diet. So I'm gathering that the BlendTec is the best blender regardless of price. Is that correct?
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    Jan 30, 2014 3:19 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidSo I'm gathering that the BlendTec is the best blender regardless of price. Is that correct?

    MuchMorethanMuscle saidI love my Vitamix......!


    apples and oranges...lol
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    Feb 02, 2014 4:16 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidapples and oranges...lol


    Apples and oranges what?