Obamacare Update: Are You One of 363,000 People About to Lose Your Obamacare Subsidy?

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    Dec 30, 2013 12:20 AM GMT
    I can see why they decided to announce this on a Sunday morning just before the end of the year.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/29/obama-administration-announces-net-loss-of-at-least-4-million-insurance-plans/

    The White House used a Sunday morning statement to admit that only 1.1 million people have used the federal Obamacare website to sign up for the president’s healthcare network by Christmas Day.

    News reports and advocacy websites say roughly 1 million people have enrolled with health-benefit companies via state websites, including 400,000 in California and 157,000 in New York, by the Dec. 24 deadline, which allows coverage starting Jan. 1.

    The 2 million federal and state signups are roughly two-thirds the planned goal of 3.3 million enrollments by Dec. 31. They’re also only one-third of the 7 million customers sought by March 31.

    The total reported signups are at least 3 million fewer than the 5 million people whose health-insurance policies were cancelled prior to Christmas by President Barack Obama’s ambitious tax-and-healthcare scheme.
  • Selfie77

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    Dec 30, 2013 2:39 AM GMT
    What about the 47 million uninsured (according to the Democrats) who this whole "healthcare overhaul" known as Obamacare were supposed to insure? Either:

    a) They don't exist

    or

    b) They want nothing to do with Obamacare (like 2 out 3 Americans).

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    Dec 30, 2013 2:39 AM GMT
    The associated press gushes about 1 million signups despite original Obama Administration estimates of more than 3.3 million, while ignoring the number of people who have lost their insurance:

    http://www.wggb.com/2013/12/29/obamacare-surpasses-1-million-signups/
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    Dec 30, 2013 3:00 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidThe associated press gushes about 1 million signups despite original Obama Administration estimates of more than 3.3 million, while ignoring the number of people who have lost their insurance:

    http://www.wggb.com/2013/12/29/obamacare-surpasses-1-million-signups/



    Right, here's the math:

    47 million uninsured (according to the Democrats) prior to Obamacare

    5 million added to the uninsured due to policies cancelled by Obamacare

    1 million ALLEGEDLY signed up for Obamacare insurance plans (does not indicate if they have coverage or not, but we'll give the admin the benefit of the doubt).

    Add those up and you now have 51 million uninsured. And nobody is even asking the question of why aren't those 47 million who were uninsured signing up for Obamacare!

    Obamacare is a HUGE failure.
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    Dec 30, 2013 3:04 AM GMT
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    riddler78 saidThe associated press gushes about 1 million signups despite original Obama Administration estimates of more than 3.3 million, while ignoring the number of people who have lost their insurance:

    http://www.wggb.com/2013/12/29/obamacare-surpasses-1-million-signups/



    Right, here's the math:

    47 million uninsured (according to the Democrats) prior to Obamacare

    5 million added to the uninsured due to policies cancelled by Obamacare

    1 million ALLEGEDLY signed up for Obamacare insurance plans (does not indicate if they have coverage or not, but we'll give the admin the benefit of the doubt).

    Add those up and you now have 51 million uninsured. And nobody is even asking the question of why aren't those 47 million who were uninsured signing up for Obamacare!

    Obamacare is a HUGE failure.


    To be fair - I think it still needs to play out. I think the failure is going to be spectacular but people haven't yet realized the effects on their policies, and what will happen when businesses are required to come into the fold. Things are going to be a whole lot worse.
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    Dec 30, 2013 3:09 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Selfie77 said
    riddler78 saidThe associated press gushes about 1 million signups despite original Obama Administration estimates of more than 3.3 million, while ignoring the number of people who have lost their insurance:

    http://www.wggb.com/2013/12/29/obamacare-surpasses-1-million-signups/



    Right, here's the math:

    47 million uninsured (according to the Democrats) prior to Obamacare

    5 million added to the uninsured due to policies cancelled by Obamacare

    1 million ALLEGEDLY signed up for Obamacare insurance plans (does not indicate if they have coverage or not, but we'll give the admin the benefit of the doubt).

    Add those up and you now have 51 million uninsured. And nobody is even asking the question of why aren't those 47 million who were uninsured signing up for Obamacare!

    Obamacare is a HUGE failure.


    To be fair - I think it still needs to play out. I think the failure is going to be spectacular but people haven't yet realized the effects on their policies, and what will happen when businesses are required to come into the fold. Things are going to be a whole lot worse.


    Yes, in 2014, the numbers will be:

    47 million uninsured (according to the Democrats) prior to Obamacare

    5 million added to the uninsured due to individual policies cancelled by Obamacare

    100 million added to the uninsured due to their employer-sponsored policies being cancelled by Obamacare

    The 5 million policies cancelled by Obamacare at the end of 2013 was just a preview of what's to come in 2014.

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    Dec 30, 2013 4:35 AM GMT
    Selfie77 saidYes, in 2014, the numbers will be:

    47 million uninsured (according to the Democrats) prior to Obamacare

    5 million added to the uninsured due to individual policies cancelled by Obamacare

    100 million added to the uninsured due to their employer-sponsored policies being cancelled by Obamacare

    The 5 million policies cancelled by Obamacare at the end of 2013 was just a preview of what's to come in 2014.



    To say nothing of what will happen when people discover they can't keep their old doctors and specialists, that they have to wait a lot longer for care, that identity thieves have been stealing data from exchanges...
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    Dec 30, 2013 11:15 AM GMT
    But He can do no wrong....

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    Dec 30, 2013 2:17 PM GMT
    It's like a sock drawer up in here.
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    Dec 31, 2013 12:27 AM GMT
    Atkins: Obamacare fears grow in new year
    http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/kimberly_atkins/2013/12/atkins_obamacare_fears_grow_in_new_year

    WASHINGTON — Forget Obamacare website woes and disappointing early enrollment figures. Those problems are so 2013.

    The New Year will bring a set of new and far more potentially perilous obstacles for President Obama’s signature health care law. These looming problems could not only doom the troubled law if no solution is found, but they also will hover over 2014 midterm candidates as Democrats scramble to hold onto their Senate majority amid polls that show Obamacare to be their biggest problem.

    The surprise tax hit.

    Most people know that the health care law provides subsidies for qualifying individuals to help offset the costs of signing up for health care coverage. Most people, however, are unaware that those subsidies can come back to bite the recipients if they have one of several major life events during 2014, such as a marriage, a new job or a job promotion. Come tax time, those individuals can face an unexpected bill from the IRS for the repayment of the subsidy.

    “This is an issue that no one seems to be talking about yet,” one GOP strategist told me. “But that will certainly change soon.”

    You can already imagine the slogans: “If you like your health care subsidy, you may not be able to keep it.”

    The “young invincibles.”

    The White House is hailing the surge of signups in December — bringing the total enrolled before the Dec. 24 deadline to
1.1 million. But there is also some very bad news: Most of the new enrollees are older and sicker than administration officials were hoping for.

    For young healthy people, it may be a matter of simple mathematics: It could be cheaper to pay the penalty for not signing up for coverage before March 31 than to buy health insurance. But if young folks opt out, the system won’t work because their premiums are needed to offset the costs for the older and sicker enrollees. They may be just procrastinating. If not, this could lead to a fatal scenario: rising premium costs across the board.

    The employer dump.

    Like the young invincibles, many companies with more than 50 employees are also taking out their calculators and deciding what will be best for their bottom lines. Unfortunately for Obamacare supporters — and many employees — the final tallies could weigh in favor of dropping health coverage for employees, employees’ spouses, retirees or all the above, and paying the federal penalty.

    That could mean workers who have enjoyed employer-provided health care plans for the entirety of their working lives may be sent to the exchanges to buy their own coverage for the first time ever. If that prospect doesn’t seem daunting enough, those people also will have strict time deadlines for finding new insurance or they, too, will face federally mandated penalties.
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    Dec 31, 2013 12:29 AM GMT
    No apologies, no regrets - and as many have pointed out, it seems likely the Obama Administration wishes he had succeeded.

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    Dec 31, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    "John Jay College prof blames ‘southern white radicals’ for Obamacare failure"
    http://collegeinsurrection.com/2013/12/john-jay-college-prof-blames-southern-white-radicals-for-obamacare-failure/
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    Dec 31, 2013 5:24 AM GMT
    They don't answer the key questions because the answers aren't positive.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/klein-cms-claims-dec.-enrollment-surge-leaves-key-questions-unanswered/article/2541291

    About 1.1 million Americans picked a plan through the federally run health insurance exchange as of Dec. 24 as part of President Obama's health care program, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced Sunday.

    But the announcement, which came in the form of a blog post from CMS administrator Marilyn Tavenner, left many key questions unanswered.

    To start, the figure doesn't reveal how many people actually paid for health plans as of Dec. 24. Though payment is what typically makes enrollment official, up to this point, CMS has counted people as being "enrolled" if they merely went through the process of picking a health care plan.

    Additionally, CMS still hasn't provided a demographic breakdown of those who have signed up for insurance through the exchange, which is a key metric for measuring the success of Obamacare, because the exchanges need a critical mass of young and healthy individuals to offset the cost of covering older and sicker enrollees and those with pre-existing conditions.
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    Dec 31, 2013 4:09 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidThey don't answer the key questions because the answers aren't positive.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/klein-cms-claims-dec.-enrollment-surge-leaves-key-questions-unanswered/article/2541291

    About 1.1 million Americans picked a plan through the federally run health insurance exchange as of Dec. 24 as part of President Obama's health care program, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced Sunday.


    What about the other 46 million who were uninsured? Why haven't they picked a government subsidized plan?
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    Dec 31, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidThey don't answer the key questions because the answers aren't positive.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/klein-cms-claims-dec.-enrollment-surge-leaves-key-questions-unanswered/article/2541291

    About 1.1 million Americans picked a plan through the federally run health insurance exchange as of Dec. 24 as part of President Obama's health care program, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced Sunday.


    What about the other 46 million who were uninsured? Why haven't they picked a government subsidized plan?


    This remains to be seen... and I think the argument supporters of the law been able to put forward for now is their own incompetence - but that's not an excuse that can hold until March.
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    Dec 31, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    You don't say.... and that "surge" doesn't include actual enrollments... just sign ups.

    7M ObamaCare enrollment target a tall order despite recent surge

    Experts say the Obama administration faces a tall order in hitting the 7 million enrollees the Congressional Budget Office projected would sign up for ObamaCare in 2014.

    After a surge of enrollees in December, 1.1 million people have enrolled in the federal exchange, and another 1 million have enrolled through the 14 state-run marketplaces.
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    Dec 31, 2013 7:23 PM GMT
    Once again, Riddler is criticizing the US. But god forbid I criticize China or he will call me a racist.icon_rolleyes.gif

    I guess freedom of speech is a one way street... or maybe Riddler is just two faced.icon_idea.gif
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    Dec 31, 2013 8:56 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidOnce again, Riddler is criticizing the US. But god forbid I criticize China or he will call me a racist.icon_rolleyes.gif

    I guess freedom of speech is a one way street... or maybe Riddler is just two faced.icon_idea.gif


    Go ahead, criticize China. He won't call you a racist (I read that exchange between the two of you the other day and it did seem by your choice of words that you were directing racially insensitive comments toward him). So by all means, criticize China. I guarantee he will NOT call you a racist.
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    Dec 31, 2013 9:14 PM GMT
    Selfie77 said
    HottJoe saidOnce again, Riddler is criticizing the US. But god forbid I criticize China or he will call me a racist.icon_rolleyes.gif

    I guess freedom of speech is a one way street... or maybe Riddler is just two faced.icon_idea.gif


    Go ahead, criticize China. He won't call you a racist (I read that exchange between the two of you the other day and it did seem by your choice of words that you were directing racially insensitive comments toward him). So by all means, criticize China. I guarantee he will NOT call you a racist.

    I didn't say anything about race in my comments. I said the same things I would say about the US government... If a government is going to tell it's people that air pollution is harmless fog then they are liars and not looking out for their land or people. I criticize the US government all the time, as does Riddler. I didn't realize the US was subject to criticism but other countries were beyond reproach.

    Furthermore, the US has a long history of workers having to fight for work safety and fair pay. There are decades of blood in the streets, and after all is said in done, the money is gone, most of jobs are gone, and what's left is debt and pollution. The rich got rich and middle class got poor. I think the Chinese people are being screwed, and Riddler said himself that they are miserable under their totalitarian government.

    Racism is about inequality, discrimination, preference, etc. I believe the people of China and the people of America are equal, and that none of us can trust our governments.
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    Dec 31, 2013 9:26 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidBut He can do no wrong....



    And has done little good. But Gay democrat votes do come cheaply.
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    Dec 31, 2013 9:28 PM GMT
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    Blakes7 saidBut He can do no wrong....



    And has done little good. But Gay democrat votes do come cheaply.

    I've been criticizing Obama a lot lately. You guys who hate liberals just aren't listening and/or twisting my words around.
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    Jan 01, 2014 2:00 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidOnce again, Riddler is criticizing the US. But god forbid I criticize China or he will call me a racist.icon_rolleyes.gif

    I guess freedom of speech is a one way street... or maybe Riddler is just two faced.icon_idea.gif


    No, go ahead, criticize China all you like. I do as well - but when you say that I have a vested interest not to criticize China that's when I wonder what you're talking about. And no, I am not criticizing the US. I am criticizing how bad and dumb Obamacare is - much like much of the US and even the current Administration's supporters now recognize.
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    Jan 01, 2014 2:11 AM GMT
    Changing benchmarks then lying about it:

    Sebelius: 2014 marks ‘new day’ for Obamacare
    7 million sign-ups ‘never our target number,’ adviser says
    http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/31/wh-health-care-adviser-7m-sign-ups-never-target/
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    Jan 01, 2014 2:38 AM GMT
    What happened to "but it's the law of the land?" I guess it's not after all?

    Change Is Obamacare's Only Certainty
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-30/change-is-obamacare-s-only-certainty.html
    I think that’s right. Sometime after March 31 -- probably not very far after -- I would expect the administration to announce that after careful thought, it has decided not to enforce the individual mandate for 2014. As we’ve already seen, the individual mandate is very politically vulnerable. And I suspect we’re not done with the emergency fixes.

    To see why, consider a fictional middle-class family. Call them the Petersons. Mom, Dad, two swell kids. Dad has his own landscaping business, and Mom works part time as a massage therapist. Together, they pulled in $90,000 in family income in 2013, and that’s about what they expect to get in 2014, so that’s what they put into the system when they go to buy health insurance. They’re pleasantly surprised to find that they can get a Silver plan for $688 a month. That’s a lot of money, to be sure, but it comes with a substantial subsidy and they’re happy to get it.
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    Jan 01, 2014 3:12 AM GMT
    Why Obamacare Will Only Get Less Popular
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2013/12/30/why-obamacare-will-only-get-less-popular-n1770075
    Remember: President Obama delayed the employer mandate till 2015. So most Americans who have employer-sponsored health insurance really have not felt the Obamacare pain yet. That will change as more and more businesses make the same types of decisions Extreme Dodge did above. And when they do, Obamacare's approval ratings can only go down.