Jon Stewart / Mike Huckabee discussion regarding same-sex marriage

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    Dec 11, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    7 respectful minutes of appropriate dialogue between two people who see very differently on the issue. These are the types of discussions that I believe will help advance our causes.

    http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/ThankYouJon
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    Dec 11, 2008 9:13 PM GMT
    I completely agree. Thanks for posting the link.
  • boilerup_82

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    Dec 11, 2008 11:26 PM GMT
    WOW...jon stewart is awesome! I love it when Stewart tells Huckabbe that religion is more of a choice than sexuality.
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    Dec 12, 2008 12:12 AM GMT
    Why do Conservatives always bring up the polygamy issue? As if there's even that many polygamists in the world compared to homosexuals. And maybe I'm just jaded but I don't see the big deal if a man wants to marry more than one woman. As long as they're consenting adults, what would be the big deal. "If you let homosexuals marry, then you have to let polygamists marry!" Seems like a very false argument. I also don't understand why they say it will destroy families and traditional heterosexual marriages. Why would two gay people getting married effect your heterosexual marriage? I just don't get it. There just seems to be a lack of logic coming from those opposed to gay marriage. I realize a lot of it is based on religion but why would what other people do have anything to do with your religion. That's between you and your god. You want everybody to adopt your religious beliefs? Again, I just don't get it.
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    Dec 12, 2008 12:24 AM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidWhy do Conservatives always bring up the polygamy issue?

    Because the polygamy straw man is easier to rally against than one-on-one same-sex couples.

    I don't know, but I suspect that the overall approval rating for socially recognizing polygamous (regardless of sex) relationships is lower than the approval rating for socially recognizing monogamous same-sex relationships. This lends itself perversely to the discussion as people love slippery slope argumentation, in spite of its fallacious nature.
  • GQjock

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    Dec 12, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    This is the issue of our time ....

    Gay Marriage is the Waterloo of the Religious Right
    and they ain't goin down without a fight
    but their time is numbered
    Just Like Jon said ... it is a Travesty
  • allatonce

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    Dec 12, 2008 12:56 AM GMT
    Wow. I just watched this. Good video, I can't comprehend that prop. 8 and other laws like it have passed throughout the United States. For some people I guess it is easy to justify discrimination.
  • kinetic

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    Dec 12, 2008 12:58 AM GMT
    When Huckabee said that the union of marriage between a man and a woman has to do w/ training their replacements (having children), it said to me that since a hetero couple marries that they are going to (or are planning to) have children.
    I find that to be an extremely arrogant assumption...

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    Dec 12, 2008 2:58 AM GMT
    with overpopulation the way it is, I would think it's a GOOD thing that some couples can't or don't want to have kids.
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    Dec 12, 2008 3:02 AM GMT
    This seems to be a gut-wrenching never-end-um debate in the US. If it ever became legal, do you think the debate would still rage on?
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    Dec 12, 2008 3:17 AM GMT
    kinetic saidWhen Huckabee said that the union of marriage between a man and a woman has to do w/ training their replacements (having children), it said to me that since a hetero couple marries that they are going to (or are planning to) have children.
    I find that to be an extremely arrogant assumption...



    I think it's also insulting to straight couples who are unable to have children. What does that say about the value of THEIR union? There are so many flaws in the conservative logic, but this has never been a vote based on reason or facts, has it?
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 12, 2008 3:35 AM GMT
    I wish that Time magazine would finally award Jon Stewart as Man/Person of the Year.
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    Dec 12, 2008 3:41 AM GMT
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    kinetic saidWhen Huckabee said that the union of marriage between a man and a woman has to do w/ training their replacements (having children), it said to me that since a hetero couple marries that they are going to (or are planning to) have children.
    I find that to be an extremely arrogant assumption...



    I think it's also insulting to straight couples who are unable to have children. What does that say about the value of THEIR union? There are so many flaws in the conservative logic, but this has never been a vote based on reason or facts, has it?


    It also disparages single parents.
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    Dec 12, 2008 3:43 AM GMT
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    kinetic saidWhen Huckabee said that the union of marriage between a man and a woman has to do w/ training their replacements (having children), it said to me that since a hetero couple marries that they are going to (or are planning to) have children.
    I find that to be an extremely arrogant assumption...



    I think it's also insulting to straight couples who are unable to have children. What does that say about the value of THEIR union? There are so many flaws in the conservative logic, but this has never been a vote based on reason or facts, has it?


    It's worse than that... it says that gays and lesbians are categorically less worthy of marrying and raising children than are heterosexual felons. If any group is statistically less likely to provide nurturing homes, that group would be it.

    What a fantastically degrading, bigoted assertion.
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    Dec 12, 2008 3:44 AM GMT
    What's nice, though sad, about what he said is that it was more intelligent, well thought, clear, and spoke more to where Conservatives are coming from (establishing the rampant hypocrisy) than any people or leaders of our community. This is great, though worrisome!
  • SkyMiles

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    Dec 12, 2008 4:02 AM GMT
    That conversation was thrilling. Jon was really able to get across how mindless, baseless and cruel Huckabee's twisted, self-righteous brand of "Christianity" is and how far away from Jesus' teachings it is.

    Huck tried to finish up by saying that not all anti-gay republicans are full of hate, but he came up empty. I'm sorry, when you want to deny people their right to life, liberty and persuit of happiness, deny them civil and human rights, and expect those same people to fund through their tax dollars a government that actively discriminates against them, there's nothing else you can call it but what it is: monstrous.



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    Dec 12, 2008 4:30 AM GMT
    All of the straight heterosexual males coming out in support of gay marriage are amazing role models for our youth. I love it and I love them for speaking up. I have had many straight male friends like them but these guy have the visibility to show that you can be straight and successful and come out and say "why not".

    One thing I've never understood is if marriage is sacred then why is the government involved at all. It defies the separation of church and state. Shouldn't all unions be pure civil unions contracts and marriage be a blessing of the civil union in a church? The government shouldn't be defining marriage just the church. But the government can define a union and should have nothing to do with marriage (straight or gay). Marriage for no one civil unions for all.

    My brother-in-law and I had this discussion. For all practical purposes he and my sister had a civil union. They went to city hall during their lunch break to get a license. I was one of the two witness and it was the only union of my three sisters that nearly brought me to tears. Now they have two beautiful sons that are like sons to me.
  • imperator

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    Dec 12, 2008 4:31 AM GMT
    A YouTube link would have been nice-- I got a message saying that since I'm in Canada I have to go to the Daily Show on the Comedy Network's website and when I did that and tried searching for his interview with Huckabee it just kept trying to play the Dec 9th episode. GRRR. If technology makes my life any more convenient I'm going to have to kill myself.
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    Dec 12, 2008 5:45 AM GMT
    Thank you COJack1974. This was a great video.

    It really is amazing how intelligent people are not able to understand that you cannot say in the same breath that you are going to deny people a basic right and then say but I don't hate them.





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    Dec 12, 2008 2:54 PM GMT
    Huckabee illustrates perfectly how Christians can only go so far against this sanctity of marriage thing. It's getting all too easy to bring up a Britney / Kevin marriage, to bring up that The Netherlands and Canada, etc haven't collapsed in a heap, and that same-sex relationships have NOTHING to do with a str8 persons marriage.

    The polygamy reference was utter desperation.
  • Hunter9

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    Dec 12, 2008 3:45 PM GMT
    what the fuck would we do without jon stewart? greatest american ever!
  • hartfan

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    Dec 12, 2008 8:56 PM GMT
    This kind of discussion is exactly what we need to have. Kudos to Jon Stewart for being so rational and well articulated. While some will argue that it was violent action a la Malcolm X in the 60's that ended racial segregation, I think this is a different world now and the country as a whole does not respond as well to such violent upheavals. Working our way inch by inch through the community is what I think the best way to reclaim our rights.

    I can never understand why people like Huckabee cannot see the hypocrisy of saying they are not homophones but are still willing to condone prejudice and discrimination. How can we make them understand?
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    Dec 12, 2008 10:48 PM GMT
    hartfan saidThis kind of discussion is exactly what we need to have. Kudos to Jon Stewart for being so rational and well articulated. While some will argue that it was violent action a la Malcolm X in the 60's that ended racial segregation, I think this is a different world now and the country as a whole does not respond as well to such violent upheavals. Working our way inch by inch through the community is what I think the best way to reclaim our rights.

    I can never understand why people like Huckabee cannot see the hypocrisy of saying they are not homophones but are still willing to condone prejudice and discrimination. How can we make them understand?



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    Dec 14, 2008 4:00 AM GMT
    This was great !!!! you guys take note, that the huckabee's of our country, the mormon prop 8 efforts, the stand the fundamentalists have been making, and the repugs in congress and the senate (primarily from the south i might add) are making themselves stand out as being out of touch, and bigoted. They are shooting themselves in the foot, and shoving their feet in their mouths everytime they spout off this bullshit, and making themselves obsolete. I think they will over the next several years lose their cause. its hard to watch and listen to them, and to see them win some of these battles for now, but they are starting to be seen for what they are-hypocrital bigots.