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    Dec 11, 2008 6:15 PM GMT
    I just wanted to wish everybody happy holidays from your friendly neighborhood atheist and to remind everyone that the true (original) reason for the season is to celebrate the winter solstice and the return of the Sun God. The Sun God will return on the 21st of December this year and our days will continue to get longer again. This means being able to play outside longer before mom gets worried and has to call us back in. Woo hooooo!

    I'm more than happy to share this wonderful time of year with all you christians, jews, muslims, kwanzaaians, and yes even you crazy mormons out there. Just remember that us non-christians were celebrating this time of year long before the birth of christ, muhammad, joseph smith, and even that guy who pulled kwanzaa out of his ass in the 60s and in no way are we infringing on your celebration.

    reasons greetings!




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    Dec 11, 2008 6:19 PM GMT


    Holidays celebrated on Dec 21st....

    Chanukah, first night

    Humbug Day

    Winter solstice.
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    Dec 11, 2008 6:28 PM GMT
    Cookie day everyday.
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    Dec 11, 2008 6:43 PM GMT
    Sedative saidCookie day everyday.


    Sedative, will you watch cookie party with me?




  • MikePhilPerez

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    Dec 11, 2008 6:53 PM GMT
    blinktwice4y saidI just wanted to wish everybody happy holidays from your friendly neighborhood atheist and to remind everyone that the true (original) reason for the season is to celebrate the winter solstice and the return of the Sun God. The Sun God will return on the 21st of December this year and our days will continue to get longer again. This means being able to play outside longer before mom gets worried and has to call us back in. Woo hooooo!

    I'm more than happy to share this wonderful time of year with all you christians, jews, muslims, kwanzaaians, and yes even you crazy mormons out there. Just remember that us non-christians were celebrating this time of year long before the birth of christ, muhammad, joseph smith, and even that guy who pulled kwanzaa out of his ass in the 60s and in no way are we infringing on your celebration.

    reasons greetings!







    Well, as a Christian I'm more than happy to share this wonderful time of year with everyone, no matter who or what you are icon_razz.gif
  • EricLA

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    Dec 11, 2008 8:44 PM GMT
    Praise Zoraster! Also Sprach Zarathustra!!! (The 2001 Theme)

    By the way, yet another study came out this week yet again suggesting that the "star of Bethlehem," caused by a supernova, would have Jesus being born in June not December, so yet more evidence that Catholicism has borrowed from pagan religions in order to absorb their followers.


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    Dec 11, 2008 8:57 PM GMT
    We have a huge sun god statue we regularly often conduct bizarre worship ceremonies when drunk and wandering round campus at 5am. He's so cool !

    Go Sun GOD!

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    Why are pagan traditions so much more fun than, up tight, puritan christan traditions?
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    Dec 11, 2008 9:06 PM GMT
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    Dec 11, 2008 9:13 PM GMT
    And a blessed Yule to All. May we all prepare the way for the Sun God.

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    Dec 11, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    EricLA saidPraise Zoraster! Also Sprach Zarathustra!!! (The 2001 Theme)

    By the way, yet another study came out this week yet again suggesting that the "star of Bethlehem," caused by a supernova, would have Jesus being born in June not December, so yet more evidence that Catholicism has borrowed from pagan religions in order to absorb their followers.




    so, i had a discussion with a christian about this very subject. He told me that it was out of necessity that christianity celebrated during the winter solstice. It was in order to escape persecution and hide it under celebrations that were already taking place. Either way, they piggy backed on a celebration that originally was not theirs.

    The funny thing about this is that the character of Jesus is based on a Sun God. Jesus is one of the many physical manifestations of a savior that is to return the Sun back to us and give us longer days. There were many of these Sun God manifestations at the time and Jesus just happened to be the one that prevailed. So, really christians are celebrating the winter solstice and don't really even know that they are. They also do the same thing during Easter.

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    Dec 11, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    Sedative saidicon_redface.gif

    Will you marry me, blinktwice4y?



    my heart belongs to sara silverman but we can totally watch cookie party together.
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    Dec 11, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
    Ach!

    My heart. It breakssss!

    *me flings himself off the cliff*
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    Dec 11, 2008 9:59 PM GMT
    blinktwice4y said
    EricLA saidPraise Zoraster! Also Sprach Zarathustra!!! (The 2001 Theme)

    By the way, yet another study came out this week yet again suggesting that the "star of Bethlehem," caused by a supernova, would have Jesus being born in June not December, so yet more evidence that Catholicism has borrowed from pagan religions in order to absorb their followers.




    so, i had a discussion with a christian about this very subject. He told me that it was out of necessity that christianity celebrated during the winter solstice. It was in order to escape persecution and hide it under celebrations that were already taking place. Either way, they piggy backed on a celebration that originally was not theirs.

    The funny thing about this is that the character of Jesus is based on a Sun God. Jesus is one of the many physical manifestations of a savior that is to return the Sun back to us and give us longer days. There were many of these Sun God manifestations at the time and Jesus just happened to be the one that prevailed. So, really christians are celebrating the winter solstice and don't really even know that they are. They also do the same thing during Easter.

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    You don't have to make excuses to celebrate Christmas with us. We welcome everyone icon_wink.gif

    Merry Christmas icon_smile.gif
  • EricLA

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    Dec 11, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    blinktwice4y said
    EricLA saidPraise Zoraster! Also Sprach Zarathustra!!! (The 2001 Theme)

    By the way, yet another study came out this week yet again suggesting that the "star of Bethlehem," caused by a supernova, would have Jesus being born in June not December, so yet more evidence that Catholicism has borrowed from pagan religions in order to absorb their followers.




    so, i had a discussion with a christian about this very subject. He told me that it was out of necessity that christianity celebrated during the winter solstice. It was in order to escape persecution and hide it under celebrations that were already taking place. Either way, they piggy backed on a celebration that originally was not theirs.

    The funny thing about this is that the character of Jesus is based on a Sun God. Jesus is one of the many physical manifestations of a savior that is to return the Sun back to us and give us longer days. There were many of these Sun God manifestations at the time and Jesus just happened to be the one that prevailed. So, really christians are celebrating the winter solstice and don't really even know that they are. They also do the same thing during Easter.

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    Actually, Jesus -- and many tenets of Christianity, in general -- has parallels in many religions. But, yes, I think I've heard the same thing about Christians initially wanting to blend in.
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    Dec 11, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
    MikePhilPerez said
    blinktwice4y said
    EricLA saidPraise Zoraster! Also Sprach Zarathustra!!! (The 2001 Theme)

    By the way, yet another study came out this week yet again suggesting that the "star of Bethlehem," caused by a supernova, would have Jesus being born in June not December, so yet more evidence that Catholicism has borrowed from pagan religions in order to absorb their followers.




    so, i had a discussion with a christian about this very subject. He told me that it was out of necessity that christianity celebrated during the winter solstice. It was in order to escape persecution and hide it under celebrations that were already taking place. Either way, they piggy backed on a celebration that originally was not theirs.

    The funny thing about this is that the character of Jesus is based on a Sun God. Jesus is one of the many physical manifestations of a savior that is to return the Sun back to us and give us longer days. There were many of these Sun God manifestations at the time and Jesus just happened to be the one that prevailed. So, really christians are celebrating the winter solstice and don't really even know that they are. They also do the same thing during Easter.

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    You don't have to make excuses to celebrate Christmas with us. We welcome everyone icon_wink.gif

    Merry Christmas icon_smile.gif




    once again, mikephil completely misses the point. Im starting to think that he is a straw-man for the christian right like colbert just not as funny. icon_confused.gif
    we are not the ones that require the "excuse" to celebrate this time of year.
    I am not celebrating "christmas" just like im not celebrating kwanzaa and chanukah.

    Nobody is out to get the christians. I think they are so used to playing the role of the martyr that they automatically assume that everyone is out to get them.

    think more, pray less icon_smile.gif
    reasons greetings to all you infidels.
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    Dec 11, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    Not really. You've been watching Zeitgeist haven't you? icon_lol.gif It may be compelling but most are lies or halftruths woven together to give the impression of truth.

    The Sun God - Jesus connection is a bit off. Since Jesus was actually supposed to exist. The connection between the God (the father, YHWH/Jehovah/Elohim/El also called Adunai) with the Egyptian Sun God (the first monotheism ever) Aton seems much more likely. As well as similarities to Judaism with Zoroastrianism (especially the duality - Ahura Mazda and Ahriman, God and Satan).

    Christmas ate up pagan rituals wasn't to hide, it was more to appease and entice the populace that they aren't really taking their festivities, merely changing to whom the festivities are for. Christianity was already well established when Christmas was declared to be around December.

    It was originally the Roman Saturnalia (hence why Orthodox Christians still hold the 'Feast of Fools' tradition during Christmas, it was a Saturnalian event). Also it was further warped by the Church, invoking the rules of Saturnalia in which victims are made fun of with no fear of retaliation. This time, the targets were jews, who were forced through humiliation and abuse during Christmas/Saturnalia. A tradition which indirectly lead to the Nazi hatred of the jews. Since antisemitism was encouraged.

    Furthermore, as Christians spread their faith further, they absorbed more pagan rituals and incorporated it. Hence the Christmas Tree, the Yule Log, and the Mistletoe, all Druidic (Norse) customs from the winter solstice celebrations in the north.

    That said, I have no problems with the current incarnation of Christmas. icon_razz.gif No matter the grisly past. Even atheists like me can enjoy it. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 11, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
    sedative,

    I've never seen the Zeitgeist.

    the connection is yes a very generalized connection to really any "sun god"
    the similarities are definitely there.

    you are coming from the perspective that jesus existed; I am not. I don't think that this man actually ever lived. Whether he did or not doesn't really matter though.

    These "Sun Gods" are all pretty much the same thing for the purpose of this post. Many cultures at the same time came up with similar ideas. It parallels convergent evolution. Similar circumstances will cause similar manifestations to arise. The only point I was trying to make is that these customs predated that jebus guy.

    I agree with you that chrstianity was more trying to adopt and influence others into their cough"cult" ahem...religion. i was trying to meet them half way and let them use their trying to hide from persecution reason for picking the winter solstice and now you've ruined my entire plan of being the good guy.

    can't we just make out and watch cookie party instead?
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Dec 11, 2008 11:05 PM GMT
    blinktwice4y said
    MikePhilPerez said
    blinktwice4y said
    EricLA saidPraise Zoraster! Also Sprach Zarathustra!!! (The 2001 Theme)

    By the way, yet another study came out this week yet again suggesting that the "star of Bethlehem," caused by a supernova, would have Jesus being born in June not December, so yet more evidence that Catholicism has borrowed from pagan religions in order to absorb their followers.




    so, i had a discussion with a christian about this very subject. He told me that it was out of necessity that christianity celebrated during the winter solstice. It was in order to escape persecution and hide it under celebrations that were already taking place. Either way, they piggy backed on a celebration that originally was not theirs.

    The funny thing about this is that the character of Jesus is based on a Sun God. Jesus is one of the many physical manifestations of a savior that is to return the Sun back to us and give us longer days. There were many of these Sun God manifestations at the time and Jesus just happened to be the one that prevailed. So, really christians are celebrating the winter solstice and don't really even know that they are. They also do the same thing during Easter.

    icon_smile.gif


    You don't have to make excuses to celebrate Christmas with us. We welcome everyone icon_wink.gif

    Merry Christmas icon_smile.gif




    once again, mikephil completely misses the point. Im starting to think that he is a straw-man for the christian right like colbert just not as funny. icon_confused.gif
    we are not the ones that require the "excuse" to celebrate this time of year.
    I am not celebrating "christmas" just like im not celebrating kwanzaa and chanukah.

    Nobody is out to get the christians. I think they are so used to playing the role of the martyr that they automatically assume that everyone is out to get them.

    think more, pray less icon_smile.gif
    reasons greetings to all you infidels.


    Was it I who started this thread icon_question.gif No, it was you.

    Why icon_question.gif Well, I'm guessing it is because you feel left out, and want to celebrate, so you start a thread to explain why you are celebrating. I don't feel the need to explain why I celebrate Christmas. I also do not feel like anyone is out to get me. As I said, you started the thread. I just replied.

    Anyway, explain how you celebrate icon_question.gif
  • CAtoFL

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    Dec 11, 2008 11:25 PM GMT
    By putting up the Festivus pole and with feats of strength!

    Okay, who wants to wrestle?
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    Dec 11, 2008 11:37 PM GMT
    i was just about to ask why everyone was forgetting festivus (for the rest of us). i feel so persecuted!
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    Dec 11, 2008 11:56 PM GMT
    blinktwice4y said Just remember that us non-christians were celebrating this time of year long before the birth of christ,
    Perhaps celebrating the worship of the god of the sun but you weren't celebrating Christmas! And yes, I'm sure the decision to celebrate it during this time of the year was for Christians to emphasize the worship of a single god and no, that was not the sun god. I enjoy the sun very much and I thank God (my God) everyday for giving it to me and for sharing it with all of you too icon_lol.gif Merry Christmas ..... the reason for the season (for me!). And no, you don't need to be a right wing conservative lunatic to be a Christian! icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 11, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    A lot of ideas in Judaism/Christianity/Islam were borrowed. The flood myth for instance. The story of Adam and Eve. The hierarchy of angels. Easter eggs, baptism/anointing, the holy communion, incense and animal sacrifice, the miracles of Jesus, the concept of a hell of eternal torment, the immaculate conception, etc. etc.

    Anyway, point is moot. Christmas is fun. icon_razz.gif

    And tsch! Secular! Festivus is obviously a remnant of a Phallic ritual. Festivus pole indeed. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 12, 2008 12:02 AM GMT
    Sedative saidA lot of ideas in Judaism/Christianity/Islam were borrowed. The flood myth for instance. The story of Adam and Eve. The hierarchy of angels. Easter eggs, baptism/anointing, the holy communion, incense and animal sacrifice, the miracles of Jesus, the concept of a hell of eternal torment, the immaculate conception, etc. etc.

    Anyway, point is moot. Christmas is fun. icon_razz.gif

    And tsch! Secular! Festivus is obviously a remnant of a Phallic ritual. Festivus pole indeed. icon_lol.gif
    Great, then enjoy it without bashing the Christians who believe differently, you've spent the whole year doing that. Just because you think they're all myths doesn't mean the rest of the world is buying your story. Merry "fun" Christmas Sedative.
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    Dec 12, 2008 12:05 AM GMT
    Sedative saidA lot of ideas in Judaism/Christianity/Islam were borrowed. The flood myth for instance. The story of Adam and Eve. The hierarchy of angels. Easter eggs, baptism/anointing, the holy communion, incense and animal sacrifice, the miracles of Jesus, the concept of a hell of eternal torment, the immaculate conception, etc. etc.

    Anyway, point is moot. Christmas is fun. icon_razz.gif

    And tsch! Secular! Festivus is obviously a remnant of a Phallic ritual. Festivus pole indeed. icon_lol.gif


    Ah, Eric, I can see the Christan in you icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 12, 2008 1:09 AM GMT
    so, mike.

    my satanic rituals are private.
    they are on a need to know basis.

    I've seen you do this before. You enjoy getting someone to disagree with you and you turn it into a me against them situation.

    This is me taking the higher road or is it?

    Merry Christmas Mike. Merry Christmas Everyone!!
    and to all a goodnight or something like that?


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